Hatsan Underlevers .....any reviews???

[TOM aka critter99]

I have been waiting to hear about them for awhile since Airgun Depot started carrying Hatsan.

Step up or step down from their break barrels

[fortyshooter]

Might the underlever be a bit more accurate,since the barrel is fixed? If power level is same as the springer,I would think it would be an upgrade. But what do I know....still a newbie in the modern airgun world

[Nomadic Pirate]

Mine should have being here already, hopefully Monday,..Shadow tuned

[grumpy]

You thinking about  one Tom ? If you get one id like to try it out if ya don't mind.

Dave

[Tarheel]

Tom,

Unfortunately, I haven't seen any posts on GTA specifically about "hands-on" with the Hatsan underlevers. Hopefully, NomadicPirate will post a detailed review when he receives his rifle.

The only negatives I have heard about them is in regards to their weight, which is right around 10 lbs, I think.

Dave

[z28rod]

Dave, is that 10 lbs. with a scope or without one ? They look real nice, I think they are availiable at Pyramid , Sportsmanguide, and AGD.

[Nomadic Pirate]

Tom,

Unfortunately, I haven't seen any posts on GTA specifically about "hands-on" with the Hatsan underlevers. Hopefully, NomadicPirate will post a detailed review when he receives his rifle.

The only negatives I have heard about them is in regards to their weight, which is right around 10 lbs, I think.

Dave

Hopefully Ed (Shadow) could chime in, he tuned my Torpedo 100X .22

I think they are 9 pounds, I'll do a weight comparison too with the Trail NP XL

[Tarheel]

Dave, is that 10 lbs. with a scope or without one ? They look real nice, I think they are availiable at Pyramid , Sportsmanguide, and AGD.

Sorry, I just looked at the Hatsan website . . . 9.9 - 11 lbs, depending on model, but unclear if with or without scope.

Dave

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hello,

*****my lack of experience plays a large role in this effort.*****

so far a consistent hold for steady, accurate shots is absolutely frustrating and elusive. not a fault with the rifle, i realize.

i shot around 85 pellets through my torpedo 100X (.177) yesterday. i cannot give a review of any real worth, so here are some discoveries. she weights 11.4 lbs w/utg 3x9 40 ao scope. the specs, left me with the impression it was going to be 9.2 lbs. without a scope. so, i've ended up with a few extra walnuts.

loading a pellet into the bolt seems more difficult than it should be, getting better with practice. however, when the bolt is fully open for access there is 27mm of space between the breech and bolt. this seems like plenty of room to maneuver a pellet into a hole, but the breech is squared and in the way a little. i mean it could have been chamfered enough to allow greater ease for access. having relatively spindly fingers/thumbs, i wonder how a big guys fingers/thumbs are gonna manage. other brands of pellets could make this less of a concern.

i've read somewhere that cleaning the barrel from muzzle end is not good on the crown, but if you must...use pistol cleaning brushes. i tried the pull through snake bore, that was a waste of money, imo. i don't know how you can clean it from the bolt end as the space seems too small to get plastic/carbon fiber rod in there, i would not try metal rods.

the cocking force does not seem a terrible force to reckon with, fairly easy...kinda like the feel you get lifting a 3 gallon bucket of water in a curling motion. yes, i tried it. the 11mm/22mm picatinny combo rail came in handy as using: two rings 1" high picatinny did not work, the slots (these are oddly spaced) put the scope too far away, even on slots nearest to the stock. settled for a single piece offset mount to use on the 11mm rail. it works, but not real comfortable with it...had to remove the rear sight to mount.

the quattro trigger...well, you know. i've asked for clarification from members, looked at hatsan instructions and for now i'll live with the trouble. don't feel ballsy enough to mess with it...for now.

shooting 8.2gr meisterkugeln wads. tight fitting. just received a chrono, and once zeroed in, yeah...80+ shots and down to 1.5-2" impacts around aim point...horrible!, anyhow: after zeroing i'll use the chrono to see if fps is close to specs. hey! maybe a few extra fps will come with them walnuts.

all in all, without being tuned, put to a chrono, and in the hands of a noob...she is heavy, comes with strap swivels, looks good and feels solid. fit and finish appears tight, and nice. looked for the problem a few of the break barrels have and i don't see them in this model. so far this rifle is what their slogan says: serious. solid. impact.

the winchester 1100xsu is the same rifle, and Magman116 has better details.

-tony
   

[z28rod]

Tony excellent review thank you.

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well, thanks Brent.

being leery of coming across as stupid is kinda daunting, especially after reading reviews given by experts.

thinking about the weight of the rifle (from the forend forward) in comparison with my understanding/practice of hold sensitivity, it does not seem all that sensitive. btw, got it zeroed...sort of, maxed out the elevation, and i am one mil dot under center at 20 yards. so, i have a poorly mounted scope or the barrel is drooping/bent. running a straight edge along the top of the breech, or receiver tube don't know what to call it, anyways: approximate measure reveals 10mm to the center of the bolt/barrel, and 13mm to the center at the end of the barrel. would 3mm equal a mil dot? humm, now i am puzzled...is this by design?

-tony

edit:
****** the barrel is not bent or drooping. i leveled the barrel, measured center bore height, took a laser level to the same height, aimed it through the bore, and it is spot on. used a laser dot, then used the laser line (horizontal) for less light passing through the bore in order to remove the possibility of flooding the tiny bore, giving a false positive.

****** the scope has shifted nearly an inch backwards, and i did not realize it...even after the scope stop popped off. what a dumb***!
   

[grumpy]

I found your review very informative Tony. Thanks for writing it.

Dave

[Ken T]

I fired a few pellets thru a Hatsan 150 in ,25 cal last night using the open sights.Range was only 10 meters since I had the target outside at night and was shooting out the door of one of the shops at work.I got1/2 in groups with H&N hollow points,I do not use the artillery hold,not sure it will work with this gun.Only unusual thing about the gun is the screwdriver slot in the barrel at the muzzle.That was a real shock.Decent trigger right out of the box.

[GunnerAl]

Well, from my limited time with a Webley Domin8tor, which is a Hatsan 155 Torpedo anyway, I can tell you of good and not so good about them..

First off, it "IS" a BIG, HEAVY unit, weighing as Nomadic says, about 9.5 lbs naked. Put on any scope of worth and you've got an 11lb monster. Mine is a .177 model as at the time I bought it, they (the distributor) weren't offering the .22 model, or I definitely would have gone for this one instead. 1250fps, which the .177 is rated at, in my humble opinion is too much. The .22 can utilise this sort of power more effectively - mid 20's fpe - while with the .177, you have to pick your pellets carefully. It's just too much air rifle for a .177... Remember I did say  "in my humble opinion...!!!". I also pity anyone wanting to do a field hunt over a few hours carrying this rifle, but then again, I am no 6 foot 6" monster guy so that might vary from guy to guy...

Second, cocking the beast is a bit of an act. The cocking underlever is quite short and that law of leverage makes it a little hard compared to other lever type airguns I've owned. I don't know just how much force is required to cock it but for an average guy like me, it feels like a whole lot, after a few shots.

Third, loading/firing. The Webley Domin8tor has a flip over load port, a little different from the 155 Torpedo's twist 'n' slide type (I think). It isn't that bad to load, but hold on, here comes the firing part. Right now, I have 4 spring air rifles you can truly call "Magnums",, The Domin8tor .177, SAG AR-2000 Jet .22, an English Webley Patriot and a Turkish Webley Patriot both .25's.. The Domin8tor has the most recoil of them all, even though it is the heaviest. You'd think not because of "opposite and equal" and being so much heavier than any of the others, but it seems to be a recoil that comes through the stock as if it is directly on the end of that huge spring. The stock is of beautiful Turkish Walnut,, very solid, perhaps that's what exaggerates the recoil, being so solid,, I don't know. You can simply feel the recoil a lot more than in the others... Accuracy can vary from pellet to pellet. It may not be the actual pellet at fault so much as the recoil and I am sure this rifle can be classed as "hold sensitive", but it can be reasonably accurate. If you use a scope, I'd recommend a good scope to handle that recoil and very solid mounts that wont slip. Trigger is less that totally desirable but I just get used to almost any trigger without moaning too much but I can see people not falling in love with it...

Is this rifle worth having..?? You'll always get people like me who have to own these rifles because they are there. Given another chance I'd go for the .22 or even better, the .25 calibre one as these rifles have enough power to handle large pellets like the .25,, but is it worth owning..?? It's a 50/50 call in my opinion. It's too much of a lot of what air rifles shouldn't really be, weight, size, power (in .177) but it's also a lovely looker. I just wont ever sell mine because it is a unique rifle. As a hunting air rifle, it has more physical bad points than good but if you hit something it will stay hit. As a target shooter,, well just don't even got there. Powerwise, it has plenty...

No matter which way you look at it you can say Yes when you want to say No,, or looking at the flipside,, for every way you want to say No, you can say Yes... If you can take advantage of its good points and handle the weight, then yes. If not, then no... If you want to say yes, go for the larger calibre(s) as this makes more sense...

Remember too, my model is about 3 years old and newer ones may be mecahically better, especially the trigger,, but I doubt if they will be stronger... That's the one thing it does have - POWER..!!

[microsalmo]

good review, thank you

[z28rod]

GunnerAl,
Excellent review of your air rifle. Thank you, Brent

[Tom @ Buzzard Bluff]

Put Hatsan into the search engine of Tom Gaylords Pyramid Air Blog.

He has tested 2 Hatsans to date. Remember----he works for Pyramid and tries to find nice things to say about products they sell.

The accuracy was abysmal on both. Especially the 155 underlever.

He didn't recommend them.

[Ken T]

I fired my .25 cal 150 at 50 ft last night with a scope.Using H&N hollow points I'm still getting 1/2 in groups.The rifle is still smoking.Less than 50 pellets thru it.It takes some effort to cock.The scope base should have been made with more slots at the rear so the scope can be mounted more to the rear.Other than that I like it.

[Nomadic Pirate]

Take the scope stop off, so you can mount the rings further back

[TOM aka critter99]

I am curious did anybody try the newer underlever model the Dominator yet??

http://www.airgundepot.com/hatsan-dominator-200s-carbine-underlever-air-rifle-22-cal.html

wish they had the wood stocked version