Daisy 111-40 & Benji Model G

[guitarplaya39]

Picked up small lot of old BB guns locally and these two piqued my interest the most.
The Red Ryder No 111-40 seems to be an early model with cast iron lever (verified with magnet), fixed rear sight, all wood furniture. Based on some brief research, I'm a little confused on what year this gun might be. No marks on any screws so it should be all original. The gun is very tight and shoots wonderfully!

The other one is a Benjamin Model G. Info seems pretty limited about it online. I don't even know how this thing is supposed to function lol. The pump seems to build some pressure, but nothing happens when pulling the trigger. I'm sure whatever seals are toast by now. I'd like to get it functioning if that's even possible these days.

I also want to clean these up some without ruining the finish - mostly the Daisy since there are a few spots with heavier surface corrosion, and the stamped writing on top is kind of hard to read. What methods/products will work best for this? Or is it a better idea to just leave them alone?

[Goose]

That's a very nice find.  Were it mine, I'd fix it. 

WD-40 and a toothbrush might clean it up.  I'd try that first.  Secret sauce might be enough to get it to shoot, but that's a small chance because it's so old.  I'd bet the seals are leather.

Here's a link with good pics.  -  https://forum.vintageairgunsgallery.com/rifles/benjamin-model-g/

Cheers,

J~

[Back_Roads]

 Model G AKA model 200, Similar to Models E and F. .175 BB smooth bore, muzzle loading, first to use the mihalyi valve... Blue Book of airguns.

[xcalibur]

Yours is a first variant model G with the transverse front sight. There is no rebuild kit available for them, you'll have to make your own seals. Attached is a schematic.

[guitarplaya39]

Thanks for the info. I'm honestly not even sure how it's supposed to function. Appears that it's just a simple pressure relief valve attached to the trigger, so no sear or bolt to engage.
I've heard of "soaking" old air guns to try and revive whatever's left of the seals. How is this usually done?

[eeler1]

ou might try asking about the daisy in the daisy’gate.  Can’t help you otherwise on that one.

Most people soak leather seals in shock oil (synthetic oil you can find at RC hobby shops) or neatsfoot oil.  If they aren’t nicked up too bad or falling apart, even old leather sometimes responds well. 

I had a couple of the old front pumpers but never tried a repair.

[eeler1]

A couple of scans off the Fletcher Benjamin book, not much info but at the time, most instructions were kinda brief.  One is for Model G, the other for the F which should be similar.  HTH

[guitarplaya39]

A couple of scans off the Fletcher Benjamin book, not much info but at the time, most instructions were kinda brief.  One is for Model G, the other for the F which should be similar.  HTH

Thank you!!

[xcalibur]

Thanks for the info. I'm honestly not even sure how it's supposed to function. Appears that it's just a simple pressure relief valve attached to the trigger, so no sear or bolt to engage.
I've heard of "soaking" old air guns to try and revive whatever's left of the seals. How is this usually done?

Yea, there's no striker, just a firing pin, so you have to pull the trigger fast on these early muzzle loading Benjamins. You can use 90A Durometer for the valve washers.