Looking for 22 cal pump pistol

[lillysdad621]

2013: MCH Private Equity sold Gamo Outdoor, S.L. (Gamo, BSA Guns, BSA Optics brands) to Bruckmann, Rosser, Sherill & Co, a New York-based private equity firm.

2016: Bruckmann, Rosser, Sherill & Co acquired Daisy Outdoor Products, strengthening their position in the outdoor and shooting industry,

[lillysdad621]

That is from Gamo's direct website. They show all the brands they own. BSA, Daisy, and others are listed there.
I've been in contact with some of the folks at the east bloomfield plant, and they say that business is going to go on as usual, but to expect some lines and series to be fazed out (ie, the 397,392, 2100, etc...). But they have not been told that they will have to move because the plant is shutting down. As far as i have heard...

[Spooner]

Only time will tell what is actually being Phased out and to what extent repair parts will be available. The custom shop is already gone and for those of us who have had access to those special parts is gone with it. I myself have been told that "sorry, that part is obsolete and no longer available" with normal parts. It is not likely the new owners will carry lines that compete directly with their versions of similar guns, but all of that will be known when the dust finally settles.

[benj397]

When you upgrade to another breech (aluminum or steel) do you have to get a new probe too?  Or does the current probe unscrew and thus reusable? 

[Matchstickshooter]

When you upgrade to another breech (aluminum or steel) do you have to get a new probe too?  Or does the current probe unscrew and thus reusable?

You get an extended probe with the Baker Breech.

[Rick67]

When you upgrade to another breech (aluminum or steel) do you have to get a new probe too?  Or does the current probe unscrew and thus reusable?

They unscrew.

Also, they don’t come with rear caps and the hole is smaller than an OEM breech’s.

I had one but didn’t like the finish, so I gave it away.

I’m  too picky and don’t like imperfections 😂

[markjs]

When you upgrade to another breech (aluminum or steel) do you have to get a new probe too?  Or does the current probe unscrew and thus reusable?

That's correct. The bolt and handle that come with the plastic breech are pressure fitted together and peened, so basically one piece and you need a 2 piece bolt probe and handle. Both the Crosman steel breech and Baker Airguns breech come with a 2 piece bolt and handle setup.

[Rick67]

When you upgrade to another breech (aluminum or steel) do you have to get a new probe too?  Or does the current probe unscrew and thus reusable?

They unscrew.

Also, they don’t come with rear caps and the hole is smaller than an OEM breech’s.

I had one but didn’t like the finish, so I gave it away.

I’m  too picky and don’t like imperfections 😂

Sorry, I misread it.

The cocking bolts and probes that go with the Crosman steel breech as well as the aluminum version Baker sells are separable.

The ones that go with the 1377/1322/2240, particularly with plastic breeches, are peened and have to be drilled to be separated.

[Mzq284]

Benji397,
Here's your chronograph report. I ran a mint rear cocking 1377 with newer 22 cal upper, I think it's sick and needs to go to the doctor.
The daughter's gun, on the other hand,  made a pretty good showing,  I'm impressed! I put 2 drops of oil on the pump cup and went at it. It's stock except for a 2300 (I think) sear spring and guide, it has a great trigger.

[Mzq284]

The guns

[TorqueMaster]

Well, look what I found.   https://www.alliancehobby.com/milledrearsight.htm

Man, this gun is getting expensive.  Going to wait on this upgrade though.  What is the benefit of a steel breech if not needing the dovetails?  Is it because it is sturdier than the plastic and could help with accuracy?

I found out that the steel breech is 6.8 ounces.  Can't find a weight on the Baker aluminum.

If you are not planning on adding a scope or other optic that needs rails, I'd try the stock plastic breech before upgrading.  Metal is stronger/stiffer, holds the barrel more firmly, but depending on your needs/expectations, may be overkill.   

Here are the weights, Baker aluminum should be similar to Ebay aluminum.  "Steel" means it is modeled after Crosman's steel breech -- longer than stock, and with dovetails for a scope.

Stock breech (plastic, no dovetails) -- 0.46 oz
Ebay "Steel" POM plastic breech -- 1.26 oz
Ebay "Steel" aluminum breech -- 2.43 oz
Crosman Steel breech -- ~7.0 oz  (ouch)

[benj397]

Benji397,
Here's your chronograph report. I ran a mint rear cocking 1377 with newer 22 cal upper, I think it's sick and needs to go to the doctor.
The daughter's gun, on the other hand,  made a pretty good showing,  I'm impressed! I put 2 drops of oil on the pump cup and went at it. It's stock except for a 2300 (I think) sear spring and guide, it has a great trigger.

THANKS for doing that.  20 pumps must have been hard.  Looks like 4 - 6 pumps is all I would need.  I have some Crosman Piranha 14.3 grain pellets and 4 - 6 pumps gives 3.8 ft-lbs (4 pumps), 4.7 (5 pumps) and 5.6 (6 pumps).  I also have JSB 18 grain but that may be too heavy.

[Mzq284]

No, 20 pumps was NOT FUN! I need to tear into it and change the spring in the valve. A 1377 or 1322 sear spring makes it so much easier to pump.
5-6 pumps is plenty for most uses. 8 pumps equaled  Crosman's claim of 460fps. 500 fps will send a Crosman pointed pellet clear through a red squirrel at 25 yards. Out to 35 yards at 600 fps  with mine it pounds targets and will shoot through an altoids tin at 50 yards.

[benj397]

Well, look what I found.   https://www.alliancehobby.com/milledrearsight.htm

Man, this gun is getting expensive.  Going to wait on this upgrade though.  What is the benefit of a steel breech if not needing the dovetails?  Is it because it is sturdier than the plastic and could help with accuracy?

I found out that the steel breech is 6.8 ounces.  Can't find a weight on the Baker aluminum.

If you are not planning on adding a scope or other optic that needs rails, I'd try the stock plastic breech before upgrading.  Metal is stronger/stiffer, holds the barrel more firmly, but depending on your needs/expectations, may be overkill.   

Here are the weights, Baker aluminum should be similar to Ebay aluminum.  "Steel" means it is modeled after Crosman's steel breech -- longer than stock, and with dovetails for a scope.

Stock breech (plastic, no dovetails) -- 0.46 oz
Ebay "Steel" POM plastic breech -- 1.26 oz
Ebay "Steel" aluminum breech -- 2.43 oz
Crosman Steel breech -- ~7.0 oz  (ouch)

Thanks for those weights.  Couldn't find them anywhere.

[benj397]

I got the Buck Rail LDC kit installed.  What a pain to get that rolled pin out.      I installed the Buck rail hinge pin kit.  That should have been on the gun to start with. 
The LDC works great!!

Now I've realized using the rear sights isn't for me.  My purpose for this gun will be in the 4 to 6 yard range and shooting about 2 inch targets.  What would be a good sight for me.  BTW, I have to use my glasses when using the stock sights and that isn't ideal.  Thinking red dot might be the way to go but have never used one.  Looking at videos, it seems you can still see the dot even if not looking straight through the sight.  How do you know the dot is lined up correctly with the target (after correctly zeroing the dot) if you don't see it in the exact middle of the optics each time? 

All shooting will be in daylight or almost dusk so which style is better?  Tube or open.  And what MOA size dot would be best for my purposes?

Examples:  Tube
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276609719863?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D272611%26meid%3D7b4d0f2b7ee342c4abec0127212c498f%26pid%3D101875%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D186624741284%26itm%3D276609719863%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2332490%26algv%3DSimVIDwebV3WithCPCExpansion%26brand%3DTasco&_trksid=p2332490.c101875.m1851&itmprp=cksum%3A2766097198637b4d0f2b7ee342c4abec0127212c498f%7Cenc%3AAQAJAAABAKAOBbj8c9I6eO4vPyI9FfMl8NhNqsULUU1TfDUZ7khl4SnoSPUB2G1lXJJQzsqptRfd2m6rY8FVbXxnFkVjNK9nC%252B58bnfUn%252BQP%252FPbhBGJxeErMi8I64aps0qVFTeXqIz6w63soZdEIgGQCQKjD6LWmf8oOJhGeCC0u%252FD2H3C5lNu8Xnq%252FwDT5m%252B8mNQjRvaVTujUrhw%252BXLrOJmbMGfD28yOJrVu07%252F2fsbtZTDVLCpVU%252B4EPX0e99JRcu9WZdFvKhnCvd1XRMWSLrW3%252BlgSRfnZ5Hhh%252BFWDep6nwzx8eJGpveazVPMORXWZCjwKBw94JcMA7Z5ArujHRVq09bLZBQ%253D%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2332490&epid=6034615854&itmmeta=01J6Z2RKWGSYDJ1HQS6DQDS3SW

Or Open

https://www.ebay.com/itm/395112691275?_nkw=CVLIFE+Reflex+Sight&itmmeta=01J6Z55RS68JSZB86P0KZ3YJDW&hash=item5bfe8d364b:g:bm4AAOSwLW9ll2oi&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA8HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKmzZ2V4ans%2F7cqWG2bb3d%2FKPGcR7Ut%2B2KnZw%2F7IRGnGIvS8DRzhiRLu8y%2BmmIdPzaq20L6l4e0250NV0LQImpJg6T2mdZdTI17QXDQgfMNTlDQCHq8SHqqUue2JF3oNRRSmj8ohxGiXjN4X0QdeMQ1KEmvn6UUMxAa3gqCyWqTKJZ%2FPhqasB7E%2F0MjgyOJNwjzKkASkwLYMcPOkBq9OHHWMM3DfAlk4yKnOqSc5Yle%2FJotckQA01HAQEkzoOeRt89Uby2lwMgmZSS%2BV--Yf9MH8nNZGp%2FfMqcniQZqSV8guRg%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9iMl-W3ZA

Please give opinions.  And yes, I'll get a breech.

[Matchstickshooter]

I got the Buck Rail LDC kit installed.  What a pain to get that rolled pin out.      I installed the Buck rail hinge pin kit.  That should have been on the gun to start with. 
The LDC works great!!

Now I've realized using the rear sights isn't for me.  My purpose for this gun will be in the 4 to 6 yard range and shooting about 2 inch targets.  What would be a good sight for me.  BTW, I have to use my glasses when using the stock sights and that isn't ideal.  Thinking red dot might be the way to go but have never used one.  Looking at videos, it seems you can still see the dot even if not looking straight through the sight.  How do you know the dot is lined up correctly with the target (after correctly zeroing the dot) if you don't see it in the exact middle of the optics each time? 

All shooting will be in daylight or almost dusk so which style is better?  Tube or open.  And what MOA size dot would be best for my purposes?

Examples:  Tube
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276609719863?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D272611%26meid%3D7b4d0f2b7ee342c4abec0127212c498f%26pid%3D101875%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D186624741284%26itm%3D276609719863%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2332490%26algv%3DSimVIDwebV3WithCPCExpansion%26brand%3DTasco&_trksid=p2332490.c101875.m1851&itmprp=cksum%3A2766097198637b4d0f2b7ee342c4abec0127212c498f%7Cenc%3AAQAJAAABAKAOBbj8c9I6eO4vPyI9FfMl8NhNqsULUU1TfDUZ7khl4SnoSPUB2G1lXJJQzsqptRfd2m6rY8FVbXxnFkVjNK9nC%252B58bnfUn%252BQP%252FPbhBGJxeErMi8I64aps0qVFTeXqIz6w63soZdEIgGQCQKjD6LWmf8oOJhGeCC0u%252FD2H3C5lNu8Xnq%252FwDT5m%252B8mNQjRvaVTujUrhw%252BXLrOJmbMGfD28yOJrVu07%252F2fsbtZTDVLCpVU%252B4EPX0e99JRcu9WZdFvKhnCvd1XRMWSLrW3%252BlgSRfnZ5Hhh%252BFWDep6nwzx8eJGpveazVPMORXWZCjwKBw94JcMA7Z5ArujHRVq09bLZBQ%253D%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2332490&epid=6034615854&itmmeta=01J6Z2RKWGSYDJ1HQS6DQDS3SW

Or Open

https://www.ebay.com/itm/395112691275?_nkw=CVLIFE+Reflex+Sight&itmmeta=01J6Z55RS68JSZB86P0KZ3YJDW&hash=item5bfe8d364b:g:bm4AAOSwLW9ll2oi&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA8HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKmzZ2V4ans%2F7cqWG2bb3d%2FKPGcR7Ut%2B2KnZw%2F7IRGnGIvS8DRzhiRLu8y%2BmmIdPzaq20L6l4e0250NV0LQImpJg6T2mdZdTI17QXDQgfMNTlDQCHq8SHqqUue2JF3oNRRSmj8ohxGiXjN4X0QdeMQ1KEmvn6UUMxAa3gqCyWqTKJZ%2FPhqasB7E%2F0MjgyOJNwjzKkASkwLYMcPOkBq9OHHWMM3DfAlk4yKnOqSc5Yle%2FJotckQA01HAQEkzoOeRt89Uby2lwMgmZSS%2BV--Yf9MH8nNZGp%2FfMqcniQZqSV8guRg%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9iMl-W3ZA

Please give opinions.  And yes, I'll get a breech.

okay, I have and use Red Dots. 
Not the same thing as a Laser sight.
 Red Dot will only show up in your glass.
Laser will appear where you point the thing.
I believe you set it for a specific distance you are shooting.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.  Didn't work well for me.
 I have tried one and didn't like it, but that's JMHO.
  The ones you show will work well!

I have the BSA Red Dot and it works great.

[benj397]

okay, I have and use Red Dots. 
Not the same thing as a Laser sight.
 Red Dot will only show up in your glass.
Laser will appear where you point the thing.
I believe you set it for a specific distance you are shooting.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.  Didn't work well for me.
 I have tried one and didn't like it, but that's JMHO.

Which Red dot do you use?  Both of my links were red dots - just styled differently. 

[Matchstickshooter]

 One is a BSA and works well.  My first was a Tasco that I had to tap it to get it to work.

Go back to reply #35 of this thread and you'll see the BSA on my 1377 RC.

[Rick67]

okay, I have and use Red Dots. 
Not the same thing as a Laser sight.
 Red Dot will only show up in your glass.
Laser will appear where you point the thing.
I believe you set it for a specific distance you are shooting.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.  Didn't work well for me.
 I have tried one and didn't like it, but that's JMHO.

Which Red dot do you use?  Both of my links were red dots - just styled differently.

This one works and doesn’t need an adapter; rail is reversible and works on dovetail cuts.

[benj397]

This one works and doesn’t need an adapter; rail is reversible and works on dovetail cuts.

Thanks Rick67

For some reason Amazon links don't work right.  But the link text shows up if you quote the post.  For others here is the scope: BSA-30mm-Red-Dot-Scope/dp/B000N8MZOI