Daisy 35 musing

[EdinGa]

I have a question about over pumping. This thing really likes RWS Supernags at 12 pumps. We're talking nickel size groups at 20 yards with a red dot. Am I going to hurt anything going to 12?  I've got a scope coming for it but don't have anything that really fits it well at the moment. I'll do some better testing when it gets here.

[pblawler]

I have a question about over pumping. This thing really likes RWS Supernags at 12 pumps. We're talking nickel size groups at 20 yards with a red dot. Am I going to hurt anything going to 12?  I've got a scope coming for it but don't have anything that really fits it well at the moment. I'll do some better testing when it gets here.

I seriously doubt 12 pumps will hurt anything.  The weak link is the abutment pin.  I think the 35 uses the same abutment pin as the 880.  If so, I have slightly bent them at 20 pumps.  If you don't want to worry about it you can get a piece of 1/8" oil hardened drill rod and cut it to the same length as the factory pin.  It works really well and has held up in my 1977 to twenty pumps for over 600 rounds.  For that matter you can use a cutoff wheel in a Dremel and cut the shank off to length of a 1/8" drill bit.  If you do that, I would believe you would be safe to pump as much as you want, but valve lock would be your next issue if the pump can build that much pressure.  If you hit 10 FPE I might have to get one to tinker with.  I have a couple extra rifled 880 barrels looking for a home.

[EdinGa]

I have a question about over pumping. This thing really likes RWS Supernags at 12 pumps. We're talking nickel size groups at 20 yards with a red dot. Am I going to hurt anything going to 12?  I've got a scope coming for it but don't have anything that really fits it well at the moment. I'll do some better testing when it gets here.

I seriously doubt 12 pumps will hurt anything.  The weak link is the abutment pin.  I think the 35 uses the same abutment pin as the 880.  If so, I have slightly bent them at 20 pumps.  If you don't want to worry about it you can get a piece of 1/8" oil hardened drill rod and cut it to the same length as the factory pin.  It works really well and has held up in my 1977 to twenty pumps for over 600 rounds.  For that matter you can use a cutoff wheel in a Dremel and cut the shank off to length of a 1/8" drill bit.  If you do that, I would believe you would be safe to pump as much as you want, but valve lock would be your next issue if the pump can build that much pressure.  If you hit 12 FPE I will have to get one to tinker with.

Thanks! It's mainly going to be a pinker, so I don't need more power than the 7 fpe I'm getting. The only reason I went to 12 was the groups kept getting tighter the more pumps I put in it. I was getting flyers at 10 but none at 12 so I stopped there.

I've got a lot more pellets to test, but I'm going to hold off until the scope gets here.

[pblawler]

I bet one of Ron's trigger mods would be nice in a 35 also.

[EdinGa]

I bet one of Ron's trigger mods would be nice in a 35 also.

I took the lawyer spring out of mine but I didn't have a credit card that was thin enough to do that mod. Just removing the flat spring made a huge difference though. I'll have to look up Ron's mods.

[pblawler]

Check this topic out.

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=189250.0

[pblawler]

I have several of these installed on all my 880s and 822.  Very NICE!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/234217993302?hash=item36887af456:g:-qAAAOSwoz5hWvbg&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoC0FOAA%2FiiTMGglTsqTvIDzSIp67Yf7nur5DHkZX4BrjD6MKcyH23UpGfxwl9tzUUBVCSrH5ahxhkX1NUJK%2Fnoy9LB%2BZae3ppvfzFZlDEYjlfqgmeVfU3HcNWnkgO%2B%2FWf%2FQ6kyxAGtsCcXajowwkg2uLpZfZjyA8dL4CGLvRpN0nKNc1TAtQN%2F%2FrJ44XTfE5LRTEDBF1h%2FWcUfQKI4QA3y4%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9Tj4KywYQ

[Jayrotx821]

I second that on Ron's triggers! 

[EdinGa]

I have a question about over pumping. This thing really likes RWS Supernags at 12 pumps. We're talking nickel size groups at 20 yards with a red dot. Am I going to hurt anything going to 12?  I've got a scope coming for it but don't have anything that really fits it well at the moment. I'll do some better testing when it gets here.

I seriously doubt 12 pumps will hurt anything.  The weak link is the abutment pin.  I think the 35 uses the same abutment pin as the 880.  If so, I have slightly bent them at 20 pumps.  If you don't want to worry about it you can get a piece of 1/8" oil hardened drill rod and cut it to the same length as the factory pin.  It works really well and has held up in my 1977 to twenty pumps for over 600 rounds.  For that matter you can use a cutoff wheel in a Dremel and cut the shank off to length of a 1/8" drill bit.  If you do that, I would believe you would be safe to pump as much as you want, but valve lock would be your next issue if the pump can build that much pressure.  If you hit 10 FPE I might have to get one to tinker with.  I have a couple extra rifled 880 barrels looking for a home.

I took it to 15 pumps with crosman 10.5s (heaviest .177s I have) and got 7.76 fpe. I'm not going to tear it back down until my other parts get here and I'll upgrade the abutment pin then.

[EdinGa]

I got tracking on the carbon fiber tubes I need to finish this build and it looks like it's going to be the middle of February.   :'(  Oh well, I want this thing to be all that it can be so I guess there's no sense in rushing it.

[pblawler]

I got tracking on the carbon fiber tubes I need to finish this build and it looks like it's going to be the middle of February.   :'(  Oh well, I want this thing to be all that it can be so I guess there's no sense in rushing it.

Whats the tubing for?

[EdinGa]

I got tracking on the carbon fiber tubes I need to finish this build and it looks like it's going to be the middle of February.   :'(  Oh well, I want this thing to be all that it can be so I guess there's no sense in rushing it.

Whats the tubing for?

I'm going to delete the front sight assembly. I'm going to try to fit a 10x8mm over the barrel and then slide a 12x10mm over it to match the diameter of the shroud exit.

[pblawler]

I've done the carbon fiber shroud mod to a 1977.  You may need to lightly sand the inner tube to fit in the outer tube.  You may also need to sand the bottom of the tube as it approaches the valvebody so it does not wedge between the barrel and frame.  I had to sand a pretty good flat on the cf shroud before it would slide on the frame without wedging.  You will also need to figure out a good way to attach the cf shroud to the frame.  I bedded the cf shroud to the front bracket on my 1977 that uses a handguard mod.  I have not devised a way to do it yet with the factory forearms.  I tried a screw through the frame to a nut epoxied to the cf shroud but that  wasn't strong enough.  I have a few ideas but I have too many projects ahead of that one.

[EdinGa]

I've done the carbon fiber shroud mod to a 1977.  You may need to lightly sand the inner tube to fit in the outer tube.  You may also need to sand the bottom of the tube as it approaches the valvebody so it does not wedge between the barrel and frame.  I had to sand a pretty good flat on the cf shroud before it would slide on the frame without wedging.  You will also need to figure out a good way to attach the cf shroud to the frame.  I bedded the cf shroud to the front bracket on my 1977 that uses a handguard mod.  I have not devised a way to do it yet with the factory forearms.  I tried a screw through the frame to a nut epoxied to the cf shroud but that  wasn't strong enough.  I have a few ideas but I have too many projects ahead of that one.

It's definitely going to be a tight fit. I have a couple of ideas that may or may not work. We'll see when the tubes get here. I'll post updates.

[EdinGa]

I've done the carbon fiber shroud mod to a 1977.  You may need to lightly sand the inner tube to fit in the outer tube.  You may also need to sand the bottom of the tube as it approaches the valvebody so it does not wedge between the barrel and frame.  I had to sand a pretty good flat on the cf shroud before it would slide on the frame without wedging.  You will also need to figure out a good way to attach the cf shroud to the frame.  I bedded the cf shroud to the front bracket on my 1977 that uses a handguard mod.  I have not devised a way to do it yet with the factory forearms.  I tried a screw through the frame to a nut epoxied to the cf shroud but that  wasn't strong enough.  I have a few ideas but I have too many projects ahead of that one.

Do all 35s have this barrel support? All of mine a fairly new, so I was just wondering if it's a new thing. I'm thinking about running the carbon fiber tube to this point and stopping.

[Jayrotx821]

I've read some complain about how short the 35's stock is.  Will an 880 stock fit?  Is it plug and play or will it require some tinkering? Edinga has got me curious about these.  I'd do the 880 barrel swap.

[Earl]

I've read some complain about how short the 35's stock is.  Will an 880 stock fit?  Is it plug and play or will it require some tinkering? Edinga has got me curious about these.  I'd do the 880 barrel swap.

I am 5'-10" tall and the 35's stock is good for me.

[Matchstickshooter]

I've read some complain about how short the 35's stock is.  Will an 880 stock fit?  Is it plug and play or will it require some tinkering? Edinga has got me curious about these.  I'd do the 880 barrel swap.

I am 5'-10" tall and the 35's stock is good for me.

Yes a 880 stock should fit, without tinkering.

[EdinGa]

I'm 6'1 and I don't have any issues with the 35 stock. If you use a compact scope, you have to mount it pretty far forward because of the short rail and the loading port so that helps too.

[kerplunk]

I've read some complain about how short the 35's stock is.  Will an 880 stock fit?  Is it plug and play or will it require some tinkering? Edinga has got me curious about these.  I'd do the 880 barrel swap.

It does have a significantly shorter LOP than a full size rifle, but I also have no problem with it, at 6'0 with long arms. I think it's because it's so light that balance doesn't really matter.