Anyone try the 12ga. Paradox slugs from the Russian molds in their Zeus?

[ba49]

  I see the Paradox slugs have bands that measure .728. Shouldn't they work in the Zeus? They come with up to 3 different weight options for one mold. Has anyone ordered them from Russia for their shotguns and are they good molds?

[lorka42]

I've got one, they're not very accurate, I believe the smaller dia on the bottom band makes them a bit wobbly, I'm going to first powder coat some, and maybe lap it larger, and see if that helps. I was impressed with the build quality of the mold itself, and the pin fitment, however.

[ba49]

    Please keep me posted if it works out. I also have a Diablo 12ga. muzzle loading pistol and it would be great to use it in both as casting your own is a lot cheaper. I wonder if the plastic wad that's made to slip on the bottom would help?
   I'm also thinking of trying one of the 12ga. slugs that American Gun Craft makes for the Diablo if it would work in the Zeus. I'm not sure how the plastic wad would work with the rifling in the Zeus, it's pretty deep. A smooth bore barrel for the Zeus might be interesting.

[E30_S50]

    Please keep me posted if it works out. I also have a Diablo 12ga. muzzle loading pistol and it would be great to use it in both as casting your own is a lot cheaper. I wonder if the plastic wad that's made to slip on the bottom would help?
   I'm also thinking of trying one of the 12ga. slugs that American Gun Craft makes for the Diablo if it would work in the Zeus. I'm not sure how the plastic wad would work with the rifling in the Zeus, it's pretty deep. A smooth bore barrel for the Zeus might be interesting.

Have you shot your diablo yet? I got one a few months ago but have yet to try it. It's the first muzzle loader ive bought so I don't have any supplies for it.

[ba49]

  Yes Matt, I have shot it about 50 shots. I bought the AGC slugs and use them with the 50gr. 50cal. powder pellets. I bought one for my wife and one for me for car and home defense. (we have CCWs) I figure the intimidation factor alone should stop most bad guys. Recoil with that load isn't bad.  I think I will try those AGC slugs in the Zeus when I get a chance. I just ordered the 8" Desperado for a fun gun. It should get more velocity with the longer barrels. It would be nice if I could cast the same bullet for both the BP guns and the Zeus as the bores are very close in size. Bill

[Chickenthief]

The Zeus micks @.728-.729

I got a mould for a true pellet from MP moulds: https://www.mp-molds.com/product/mp-12ga-525-full-bore-slug/
He states 525grains and thats a big fat lie! They clock in around 655grains cast from 97/3.



Not for the true potential of a 32" Zeus as speeds of flatnose bullets must be a tad below MK1.
But you get 10½ to the pound, so it's plinker friendly ;-)

[Chickenthief]

The Zeus micks @.728-.729

I got a mould for a true pellet from MP moulds: https://www.mp-molds.com/product/mp-12ga-525-full-bore-slug/
He states 525grains and thats a big fat lie! They clock in around 655grains cast from 97/3.


Not for the true potential of a 32" Zeus as speeds of flatnose bullets must be a tad below MK1.
But you get 10½ to the pound, so it's plinker friendly ;-)

Sorry!
Dont know why it did a double post but please delete as you see fit!

[E30_S50]

  Yes Matt, I have shot it about 50 shots. I bought the AGC slugs and use them with the 50gr. 50cal. powder pellets. I bought one for my wife and one for me for car and home defense. (we have CCWs) I figure the intimidation factor alone should stop most bad guys. Recoil with that load isn't bad.  I think I will try those AGC slugs in the Zeus when I get a chance. I just ordered the 8" Desperado for a fun gun. It should get more velocity with the longer barrels. It would be nice if I could cast the same bullet for both the BP guns and the Zeus as the bores are very close in size. Bill

Have you by any chance tried a full .73 roundball in your diablo?  I was thinking of getting a mold to cast those but I'm not sure if such a heavy projectile would make some wicked recoil.  It seems like another good dual-use ammo option for the diablo and zeus. 

[ba49]

  I haven't tried the round ball yet but I'm going to The Log Cabin Sport shop next week and they carry all things black powder and plan on picking some up. I also want to see what else they have around .729-.730 in a bullet. I was checking out Ballistic Products and I think the ammo that American Gun Crafters sell is the same as the LBC Sabot that Ballistic Products sell. They have several other 12ga. wad-slug combos that may work in both guns too. I will have to experiment some with these. I also have an 8" Desperado which should up the velocity some.I'm just not sure how the plastis wads will word with the Zeus's rifling and pressure. They also may be too long to fit the Zeus.

[ba49]

   Well, I tried to check out the LLCB Sabot in the Zeus but it is just too big to fit the bore. I couldn't even get it started in there.

[lorka42]

Sorry for the necro, forgot about this thread, after lapping I got the russian mold to drop at .730, I suspect they are not terribly concentric, as they do not group well.(@7 in @60 yrd) I've been trying to make a swage for my lee precision press, but the threadform for the inserts is unknown and I do not have access to any thread checkers for that large a bolt, (somewhere around 1 inch an a bit-ish) I've bought a couple of bolts on speculation, but they've been wrong.