Author Topic: R9 barrel (Read 3008 times))

milstar1 · « **Reply #40 on:** June 20, 2021, 10:06:23 PM »

My view is if you're gonna shoot targets .177 would be my choice, if you're gonna shoot critters .22 would be my choice. I'm a .22 fan, pellets are not expensive and it produces more energy than .177 or .20

PGunner · « **Reply #41 on:** June 21, 2021, 07:39:32 AM »

I'm leaning more toward the .22 I don't plan on doing much hunting with it bit if i did I think the .22 would be the best.

Mark 611 · « **Reply #42 on:** June 21, 2021, 04:39:05 PM »

I have a full power 460mag in .22cal, IMO this is the best offering for this power plant, even detuned, for all around shooting, myself personally I would buy a rifle better suited for a 12lb power like an HW50, or a HW95, just due to the size of the 460mag, compared to the other 2 rifles, but I understand work with what you got,

Lt. Dan · « **Reply #43 on:** June 21, 2021, 05:01:26 PM »

Quote from: PGunner on June 21, 2021, 07:39:32 AM

I'm leaning more toward the .22 I don't plan on doing much hunting with it bit if i did I think the .22 would be the best.

Just get the .22 then. You've got a 50/50 chance of getting it right. No I take that back. Either will be great.

Anyway it's time for me to celebrate!
This is my 4,000th posts.

avator · « **Reply #44 on:** June 21, 2021, 05:12:41 PM »

Happy 4k postday.
Seems like just yesterday for me....
Time"s fun when your shooting flies.

Lt. Dan · « **Reply #45 on:** June 21, 2021, 05:35:44 PM »

Quote from: avator on June 21, 2021, 05:12:41 PM

Happy 4k postday.
Seems like just yesterday for me....
Time"s fun when your shooting flies.

Thanks.
Oh, how's the first day back? Ya busy?

Sorry, didn't mean to derail the post.

avator · « **Reply #46 on:** June 21, 2021, 05:46:07 PM »

Walked into a few issues but nothing we couldn't handle...
Gonna be a long week for sure.

A.K.A. Tommy Boy · « **Reply #47 on:** June 21, 2021, 05:48:48 PM »

Good Read !

Best Wishes - Tom

PGunner · « **Reply #48 on:** June 25, 2021, 07:41:40 PM »

At the time I picked up my R9 .20cal. I kinda thought it would be in the middle have speed and hit like a train.
But .20s are getting harder to find and not so cheap. I kinda think in a short time there won't be any to get and all my guns are .22 except 1 .177 I think it is going to be the .22 barrel and sell the .20 barrel and pellets with it.

Bayman · « **Reply #49 on:** June 25, 2021, 07:53:24 PM »

Quote from: PGunner on June 25, 2021, 07:41:40 PM

At the time I picked up my R9 .20cal. I kinda thought it would be in the middle have speed and hit like a train.
But .20s are getting harder to find and not so cheap. I kinda think in a short time there won't be any to get and all my guns are .22 except 1 .177 I think it is going to be the .22 barrel and sell the .20 barrel and pellets with it.

Lee I just spent a lot of money hours ago on a 20 caliber barrel and associated parts for my Hw95. I'm sorry I read this too late. If you ever do decide to sell the 20 caliber barrel and pellets please PM me. I could always convert my 22 caliber Hw50 to 20 caliber.
Thanks
Ron

Deerstalker · « **Reply #50 on:** June 25, 2021, 08:55:28 PM »

Quote from: PGunner on June 21, 2021, 07:39:32 AM

I'm leaning more toward the .22 I don't plan on doing much hunting with it bit if i did I think the .22 would be the best.

IMHO The .22 should be your choice as you will be completely satisfied. Full discloser of course a .22 is all I have ever had!

A moron · « **Reply #51 on:** June 25, 2021, 09:09:36 PM »

Quote from: milstar1 on June 20, 2021, 10:06:23 PM

My view is if you're gonna shoot targets .177 would be my choice, if you're gonna shoot critters .22 would be my choice. I'm a .22 fan, pellets are not expensive and it produces more energy than .177 or .20

Ya, but thing is hw in .22 is kinda weak vs ..

I mean you shoot a 14 g and may get 680fps
Vs. say Gamo (for example sake) that shoots it 825+?

Hard to do he.22 for hunting with more powerful available. Harder hitting/ energy , flatter shooting, longer range .

Now let's move up to a 16 or 18 g pellet now what that Gamo pushing them out maybe still over 700+ that hw is falling flat and rainbowing them in at best. Lost of energy and all

Now in .177 there in a good spot but once you get .22 it's not so great.

Maybe I'm wrong but if hunting I want the power to sling a heavy pellet at a flat good clip
Not lobbing them in slow

If I was changing the r9 barrel it would be to .177 and get a stronger rifle in .22 forr hunting. (Opinion)

Mark 611 · « **Reply #52 on:** June 26, 2021, 05:53:08 AM »

DEECO, The HW95 is not meant to be power house, its an elegant accurate shooter, I agree a more powerful rifle has its place in hunting at further distances, I would not have a problem shooting a squirrel with a head shot at 50yds with an HW95 in .22cal @630fps, because I have done it a few times, most people want a laser beam rifle IMO because they don't want to learn how to shoot a lower powered spring gun and learn how to use a mildot scope,

PGunner · « **Reply #53 on:** June 26, 2021, 07:47:48 AM »

I would have a hard time shooting a squirrel in the head at 50 yards with a 12ga. shot gun and with a pellet gun. Not even
To tell the truth I'm not sure what I would want a pellet gun for other than minor pests and killing a lot of paper. I have the R9 and a Hatsan 125 Vortex neither one would good for anything much bigger than a fox or push it for a big dog. For squirrel or rabbit my 1322 would work or my Hatsan QB23 .177.

So does Cal. mean that much or do we just thinking that bigger is better for what we use it for?
Also if you had to live off what you killed what would you want .177 or .22?

Now we could go off on a whole different direction that boggles the mind.

Bayman · « **Reply #54 on:** June 26, 2021, 08:08:33 AM »

Quote from: Mark 611 on June 26, 2021, 05:53:08 AM

DEECO, The HW95 is not meant to be power house, its an elegant accurate shooter, I agree a more powerful rifle has its place in hunting at further distances, I would not have a problem shooting a squirrel with a head shot at 50yds with an HW95 in .22cal @630fps, because I have done it a few times, most people want a laser beam rifle IMO because they don't want to learn how to shoot a lower powered spring gun and learn how to use a mildot scope,

Yep Mark and I'm one of them. You're an excellent shot to make a 50 yard head shot with a mortar. Can it be done? Sure you prove it. My 177 Hw50 can just as easily make that same shot with a wider margin for error. This argument is getting old. Yes there are people that possess the skill to land that shot BUT alot more skill is needed to do it. If a 177 will do the job easier, why not use it? Heck why not admit it? The 22 has little advantage over 177 in mid power and low power guns. Sure they retain more energy but they need more energy for the same penetration. Plus what 22 caliber has over 177 in wind drift, it loses double or triple in drop. So the same argument for learning to dope 22 drop can be made for learning to dope 177 drift.

The part that you may be forgetting is if you hunt in unfamiliar areas without posted distances rangefinding becomes far more critical with loopy trajectories. That's not an easy skill to learn and that's why some people prefer flatter shooting guns. Sure you could use a laser rangefinder, your side focus/AO and even your mildot reticle if you use it enough and are conscious of your current magnification but in real woods hunting you're seldom afforded the time or the luxury of making such extra movements before the quarry has left. If I had to shoot a raccoon in my small backyard I'd likely grab my 22 Hw50. If I'm hunting squirrels in the woods at any unknown distance I'll always grab my 177 Hw50. Why? because I can make the shot and the selected weapon is adequate for the job. There's no shame in taking easy over hard when there's no real benefit to choosing the hard way. Or otherwise said the easy way still works and allows more people to be successful.

To each their own but let's not dismiss the reality of the extra skill required to shoot loopy guns that quite frankly some people may not be able to learn. Some people just don't have the opportunity to practice enough to get that skilled doping distances, wind drift and drop.

Also let's face some people no matter how much they practice, they will never be proficient. Sort of like me and a piano. Lol. No matter what were told we are not all created equal. We're all blessed by God with special talents, but we are not all blessed with the same special talents. I'm excellent with mechanical things and terrible at sports, music, etc, etc. Like wise many musicians and athletes are lousy mechanics. Let's remember that we're addressing the masses here and let's give them the easiest effective solution.
Stay well
Ron

nced · « **Reply #55 on:** June 26, 2021, 10:23:30 AM »

Quote from: Mark 611 on June 26, 2021, 05:53:08 AM

DEECO, The HW95 is not meant to be power house, its an elegant accurate shooter, I agree a more powerful rifle has its place in hunting at further distances, I would not have a problem shooting a squirrel with a head shot at 50yds with an HW95 in .22cal @630fps, because I have done it a few times, most people want a laser beam rifle IMO because they don't want to learn how to shoot a lower powered spring gun and learn how to use a mildot scope,

"don't want to learn how to shoot a lower powered spring gun and learn how to use a mildot scope"
I started shooting field target competition to practice for WV fall squirrel season during the off season, the elephant in the room ISN'T "learning how to use a mildot scope", the reality IS that properly judging the distance to the target for longer shots past the zero distance required more skill than I possess. Hunting squirrels with .177, .20 and .22 cal R9s I learned that out to my 30 yard zero distance it didn't make any difference which "R9 cal" I shot, however there was a BIG DIFFERENCE in "hit-ability" past the zero distance when the .20 and .22 pellets were dropping over an inch for a couple extra yards.

There are those that cry "use a range finder for longer shots", however that really doesn't work out well when a twitching squirrel is milling around gathering acorns and not remaining still long enough to get an accurate rangefind, then consult a dope sheet to get the proper holdover, then take aim and squeeze the trigger. LOL, my brother did try his lazer rangefinder for a couple hunts and found that it was more of a hindrance than a help. Another issue with shooting "loopy trajectories" (even a .177 trajectory is loopy compared even to the .22 rimfire) is that using a rangefinder for determining "which mildot to use" for a steep angled shot (either up or down) is the fact that steep angled shots are very prone to errors in aiming, especially true with a more loopy trajectory. My brother and I used to take our .177 R9s into the WV woods and practice shooting back lit leaves and pine cones in the top of trees. LOL....in one combination of distance plus shooting angle I was regularly hitting a small pine cone 50 yards away (measured to the tree trunk) and centering the pine cone every time using a "30 yard hold"!

Anywhoo, it's obvious that a heavy pellet at higher velocity will give "squirrel hunting advantage" IF ACCURATE, however the larger more powerful springers also have the disadvantages of awkward length in the woods, a lot of weight to lug around (weight being the reason I only took my HW77k on more than two WV squirrel hunts), ammo cost without "deep pockets", and the general shot cycle of an 18+fpe springer.
Anywhoo.....this target shows my R9 shooting 7.9 grain CPLs at 862fps had an extra 1" drop in trajectory in only 10 yards from 40 yards to 50 yards (1/2" drop @40 to 1 1/2" drop @50) and the .20/.22 from the R9 was a LOT loopier............

My "loopy pellet" solution was to TRY developing some stalking skills to get very close to my "zero distance" before taking a shot, also (as mentioned) practicing steep angled and horizontal shots in the woods.

Another cry supporting the larger calibers is the "more fpe at the target" mantra. Will, during my former rimfire shooting days I've had more than a couple squirrels "double lunged" with over 100fpe from a .22 rimfire that still scrambled a dozen yards to get into a "tree hole" after the hit. When stalking squirrels with my brother down a WV trail, taking alternating shots, we came upon a squirrel gathering nuts in the path about 20 yards away. It was my brother's turn so he offhanded the squirrel and with the shot the squirrel jumped straight up in the air and made a "mad dash" to the base of the walnut tree about 10 yards away. Thinking my brother missed the shot I was laughin' and commented "maybe you should chuck a rock the next time HarDeHarHar". Well, after the squirrel climbed about 3 feet up the tree it fell off dead. Sine my brother was using .22 short hollow point ammo we took note that the .22 cal entrance hole became a "finger sized exit hole". When cleaning the squirrels taken that day it was noticed that my brother's offhand shot literally took off the top half of heart. LOL....if on accasion a tree squirrel can take a 100+fpe hit from a .22LR or a 80fps hit from a .22 short hp and keep on going I really don't think the hit of a .22 cal pellet exiting the nuzzle at a piddly 18fpe would matter very much. That is why I always preferred "two holes with one shot, one hole in and one hole out" with a penetrating .177 dome than having a .22 pellet dump all its "massive" 15fpe inside a critter..............

A moron · « **Reply #56 on:** June 26, 2021, 10:56:56 AM »

Quote from: Mark 611 on June 26, 2021, 05:53:08 AM

DEECO, The HW95 is not meant to be power house, its an elegant accurate shooter, I agree a more powerful rifle has its place in hunting at further distances, I would not have a problem shooting a squirrel with a head shot at 50yds with an HW95 in .22cal @630fps, because I have done it a few times, most people want a laser beam rifle IMO because they don't want to learn how to shoot a lower powered spring gun and learn how to use a mildot scope,

The HW95 is not meant to be power house, its an elegant accurate shooter,

Fine but the hunting woods don't care about that one bit.

So I can't still use a mildot scope on anything? I don't get that line above.

What's to say any rifle is not a accurate shooter?

Then the talk was energy ,right? No matter how elegant accurate shooter, you feel it is your never perfect pellet placement.

I got nothing against a hw in .177 bit you got to admit you jump to say .22 you take a power hit like 150 -200 fps?

What's bone crushing that 680fps or one at 800+ then you move up from a 14g to 18g

Now that hw suffers more.

I got a new r9 coming in .177 so in that Cal I'm good with them . Around here a squirrel ain't waiting for you to get 10-20 yards..lol there not city squirrel that come close for hand feeding.

Ya, I sure preferred a hw/r9 in .22 but I found I need to be around 800 with them . I have to have like a squirrel runn around with a pellet lodged under it's skin .

Anyway good luck and enjoy...

PGunner · « **Reply #57 on:** June 26, 2021, 12:31:10 PM »

What are the stats on a .177 using aprox a 7.5gr and a 10.5gr pellet?
Or is there an advantage of a heaver over a lighter pellet?

nced · « **Reply #58 on:** June 26, 2021, 01:33:29 PM »

Quote from: A moron on June 26, 2021, 10:56:56 AM

Quote from: Mark 611 on June 26, 2021, 05:53:08 AM
DEECO, The HW95 is not meant to be power house, its an elegant accurate shooter, I agree a more powerful rifle has its place in hunting at further distances, I would not have a problem shooting a squirrel with a head shot at 50yds with an HW95 in .22cal @630fps, because I have done it a few times, most people want a laser beam rifle IMO because they don't want to learn how to shoot a lower powered spring gun and learn how to use a mildot scope,

Fine but the hunting woods don't care about that one bit.

So I can't still use a mildot scope on anything? I don't get that line above.

What's to say any rifle is not a accurate shooter?

Then the talk was energy ,right? No matter how elegant accurate shooter, you feel it is your never perfect pellet placement.

I got nothing against a hw in .177 bit you got to admit you jump to say .22 you take a power hit like 150 -200 fps?

What's bone crushing that 680fps or one at 800+ then you move up from a 14g to 18g

Now that hw suffers more.

I got a new r9 coming in .177 so in that Cal I'm good with them . Around here a squirrel ain't waiting for you to get 10-20 yards..lol there not city squirrel that come close for hand feeding.

Ya, I sure preferred a hw/r9 in .22 but I found I need to be around 800 with them . I have to have like a squirrel runn around with a pellet lodged under it's skin .

Anyway good luck and enjoy...

A few respectful PERSONAL differing points of view.

"The HW95 is not meant to be power house,"
LOL.....when I bought my first higher power springer decades ago which was a .177 HW35 the current R9/HW95 would have been considered a "super magnum" since the HW35 was rated at 755fps and even the FWB124 at that time was rated at only 800fps. Even compared with the HW30, R7, HW50 the R9/HW95 is indeed a powerhouse considering the weight of the gun. LOL....my HW95 shot 7.9 grain CPLs at 880fps out of the box so I detuned it to reduce the velocity to around 860fps.

"So I can't still use a mildot scope on anything? I don't get that line above."
LOL.......as long as you can hit the aim point at the maximum distance you shoot mildots don't mean anything. Now when shooting at distances other than your zero distance using holdover aiming is very useful. When I first started shooting field target where the targets are set at unknown distances from 10 yards to 55 yards I used a scope with a duplex reticle. The AO was marked with "sharp focus marks" which holdover to use after focusing. For example, using my 4-16x40 Bushnell Elite 4200 scope with the duplex reticle I placed 4th in the very first hunter class field target national match that was combined PCP and piston. Out of 17 hunter class entries only 5 were shooting springers........

I later migrated to "marked reticle scopes" and used the same system of marking my side wheel with symbols showing which "holdover mark" to use for different "sharp focus distances"............

In general, as long as my shooting distance is between about 18 yards and 32 yards I don't need to "hold over" at all to get "minute of squirrel head" hits, however when shooting conditions are good I'll "scope rangefind" 40ish yard targets and use the appropriate reticle mark.

"you got to admit you jump to say .22 you take a power hit"
I didn't find any difference in effectiveness on tree squirrels with a brain hit regardless of the the caliber. As far as pure fpe goes, my .20 R9 would shoot 14.3 grain Premiers at 650fps (not tuned) for about 13.5 fpe and the same gun with a .177 barrel shot 7.9 grain CPLs @ 890fps for about 14fpe. LOL, hardly enough difference to matter however a 7.9 grain CPL @ 890fps is a lot flatter flying and it doesn't matter at all what the numbers are if you can't penetrate the vitals.

"Around here a squirrel ain't waiting for you to get 10-20 yards"
Really short distances opens up a whole new "can of worms" with the loopy trajectory of a pellet because my .177 R9 or HW95 will hit about 1/2" low at 10 yards. During the early season when there were leaves on the trees stalking into about 30 yards was easier, however during the late season when the trees were bare is where my "bucket and sticks hunter class field target practice" paid off. I would place my "sittin' bucket" at the base of a comfy tree trunk where squirrels were, sit on the bucket with the "tree trunk back support", get a "scope rangefind" on all trees around that were 40 yards away, rest the cocked R9 on the cross stick, then wait for squirrels to cross the "magic 40 yard line" before aiming and shooting preferring to wait till the squirrels got closer if possible. LOL, in the west Virginia woods it wasn't hard to get "reasonable distance shots" at squirrels if quiet and patient!

PGunner · « **Reply #59 on:** June 26, 2021, 02:23:40 PM »

I've shot most things between a .22 powder to a 90 mm cannon and did quite well with all. Pellet guns about all I have done is targets off a bench.
Pellet guns are a different area than I am really use to.
A lot of the info I am asking is just for my knowledge just in case I need it at some point in time and to get some experience. That might sound funny to some people and that's OK. In preparation just in case I might need it.
And no I'm not a nut.lol

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