Just Bought a 392S :-)

[Habanero69er]

Both my steroided & non-steroided 342s shoot the 28g domes really well.

Do you have any Idea what the velocity is with ? pumps

wll

I've got it written down somewhere.   

[mrbulk]

Thanks Wil. So do you place your off hand on the scope while pumping? It just looks like the ideal spot for leverage, but I keep thinking about the double stick tape.

[wll2506]

Thanks Wil. So do you place your off hand on the scope while pumping? It just looks like the ideal spot for leverage, but I keep thinking about the double stick tape.

No, no my hand goes around the receiver area pivot point. That is the total reason I don't like ANY of the receiver mounts, I don't want to hold the scope while pumping for sure - gun is pumped just like if you only had iron sights on the gun.

wll

[mrbulk]

Thanks Wil. So do you place your off hand on the scope while pumping? It just looks like the ideal spot for leverage, but I keep thinking about the double stick tape.

No, no my hand goes around the receiver area pivot point. That is the total reason I don't like ANY of the receiver mounts, I don't want to hold the scope while pumping for sure - gun is pumped just like if you only had iron sights on the gun.

wll

Thanks for the clarification Wil. I have just stepped off the cliff again and - ordered one...

But at least I will now have a gun that can still shoot even when other power sources are down or scarce...

[wll2506]

Thanks Wil. So do you place your off hand on the scope while pumping? It just looks like the ideal spot for leverage, but I keep thinking about the double stick tape.

No, no my hand goes around the receiver area pivot point. That is the total reason I don't like ANY of the receiver mounts, I don't want to hold the scope while pumping for sure - gun is pumped just like if you only had iron sights on the gun.

wll

Thanks for the clarification Wil. I have just stepped off the cliff again and - ordered one...

But at least I will now have a gun that can still shoot even when other power sources are down or scarce...

That is one of the biggest reasons for a pumper IMHO.  Enough power to go after small game for pest control or food ---

 Benji's are accurate enough at reasonable yardages, small size and light weight for hiking and get a "O" ring kit or two and you are set for quite a long time.

With these guns you can call Crosman, get the parts that you may think will wear out and you have a gun that will last for many, many years.  As many of you know these guns shine with heavy pellets, hence the reason I'm trying out the Seneca 28.5gr pills hoping I get the speed I want.. My standard with this gun will be 21.1gr Kodiaks ... A good heavy pellet for pest and small game.

I'm a fan of as few pumps as possible to get the job done, I like 6 pumps in general, but I think I very well may need more to get the poop out of Seneca's ---- I will chronograph this weekend and see how it does in a real world situation. I just ran a paracord through one of the spring pins in the front and made a harness for the sling in the back under one of the holding straps of the butt pack, but I may just wrap the sling under the back strap, we will see when I get my 1.250" nylon sling, of course in black.

It is being shipped by Amazon, the worst shipper in the industry .... I have had filled all kinds of complaints with these folks ... lets see if my sling arrives in a reasonable time.

wll

[35 shooter]

Will,

I have two 392”s(one is steroided) and a 397... all p and pa models, but i’ve wanted a 392s ever since they came out.
I like the idea of the synthetic stock for an all weather rifle.

Right now my chrono has gone kaputz, so I need to get a new chrony before I get the 392s.
I know your a fan of fewer pumps, but if you don’t mind lol, and if not too much trouble, I hope you include the chrony results on max pumps with the 21 and 28 gr. pellets .
I’d like to compare it to my stock 392p .

[jmoronic]

I know this is a 392 thread, but never underesitmate the Crosman 1400 or the older 140
Super good guns for a great price point.
* note: many of the SEAR's models had dovetail grooves.

[wll2506]

I know this is a 392 thread, but never underesitmate the Crosman 1400 or the older 140
Super good guns for a great price point.
* note: many of the SEAR's models had dovetail grooves.

Great guns for sure, I'm in love with Daisy 880,s also :-)

Just filled up my Chief II Plus to accompany my 392s.

Should be an interesting morning of shooting tomorrow :-)


wll

[wll2506]

It's about 6:02am and I'm ready to see how the 392s chucks these heavy Seneca Domes and H&N Barrcudas !

After a night of tossing and turning and deciding how I wanted to set up my 392s I decided for heavy pellets I'm gonna need 8 pumps and so that is where I'm hoping enough magic happens. I figure 8 pumps for the 28.5 grain Seneca Domes and the same amount of pumps for the 21.14gr Barracudas. This will be my "Hunting Load". I'm hoping that my velocity with the Domes will be a usable velocity at around the 35 yard range with 8 pumps. The Barracudas will extend the range a bit but we will shortly see.

Although 8 pumps is a wish for my needs, I needed to see what 6 pumps, and 10 pumps would do.

Below is a pic as she sits patiently waiting for her trials :-)



Gun has been lubed, test fired, now is the time for the "Tale of the Tape".

With 6 pumps Seneca Domes = 448fps
With 6 pumps Barracudas = 495fps

With 8 pumps Seneca Domes = 486fps
With 8 pumps Barracudas = 53fps

With 10 pumps Seneca Domes = 506fps
With 10 pumps Barracudas = 572fps

Well there you have the brutal truth as best as I can bring it to you :-)

Now it's time to figure out what I want to do and how I want to use this gun :-)

From first look the 6 pumps with Barracudas would work for me for 30 yard range stuff (Starlings, HOSPS, etc). The Seneca Domes at 6 pumps put out around 12.8fpe, that would be a good short range 30ish yard load for Pigeons, Ground Squirrels and Rabbits (~10+fpe) - 8 pumps with Seneca Domes are in the zone for serious hunting at slightly longer ranges - of 35-40+ yard area (~11fpe).

10 pumps let's it out IMHO with enough poop to pop whatever small game I'm after at up to the 55 yard area (~11fpe). Ten pumps is a lot and I know I would not pump the gun up that much unless it was the rarest of occasions, as a mater of fact I may not pump it up that much again.

I did not shoot JSB Jumbo Heavies (one of my favorite pellets) just because I'm setting this gun up as a short range ---- 35ish yard hunter, and I want energy and momentum !

I very, very pleased with the velocity I got with the Domes. 6 pumps is nice for short range and 8 pumps extends that range for a good heavy hitter in that 35-40 yard zone --- Great for this gun and it's use ----- now to see what Slugs will do !!!

But Wait --- My accuracy is no where where it should be ---- and for good reason ---- No it's not paint in the bore, it's the fact that my 5.53mm sized pellets are two small, I need shoot my pellets in this gun not sized. This was brought out a few post back by @Psipumper and I did not look into it ... shame on me !

I put a 5.53mm Dome in the front of the barrel and was able to gently push it to the breach, I could tell it was not grabbing
the rifling !!!

I will test un-sized Seneca Domes for accuracy :-)

I'll be back later.

wll

LATER IS NOW

Just shot Seneca unsizerd at 17 yards --- gun is shooting ~1\4" groups ... I did a two shot group was one hole.

Pellets were a bit tough to load and the gun had much more of a pop -- much less air going around the pellet, hopefully it won't slow my velocity to much ?

Till tomorrow, :-)

wll

[mrbulk]

Do the Benjis have a polygonal barrel? I thought I saw somewhere just recently that someone had cut back a similar barrel to see, because a captured pellet from that gun showed six flattened sides on the pellet vs. rifling grooves.

[wll2506]

Do the Benjis have a polygonal barrel? I thought I saw somewhere just recently that someone had cut back a similar barrel to see, because a captured pellet from that gun showed six flattened sides on the pellet vs. rifling grooves.

Not that I can tell !

wll

[35 shooter]

Sounds like good power from a stock 22 pumper with heavy pellets.... thanks for posting your chrony results.

I have a Noe 20 gr. mold that pours at 20.2 gr. with the mixed alloy i’m using now, which is just mixed pellets i’ve saved over the years from my pellet trap.
I too am shooting these unsized and not lubed from my steroid 392.
Have’nt tried them from a stock 392 yet, but from your results with the 21 gr. Pellets, I should be pretty close to 600 FPS. from a stock gun for a bit over 15 ft. lbs. at the muzzle.
I’ve got to replace the pump linkage on my stock 392 before I can try them in it... yep, wore it out lol.

Thanks again for posting your results... enjoy that new rifle!!

[wll2506]

Got myself up and out to shoot again.

Velocity is now ~5+ fps faster than before,  accuracy with Domes has gone from a 6 inch pattern with 5.53mm sized pellets at 33.5 lazered yards to just about an inch fighting this bad wind with un-sized pellets ---- all pellets were about 6  inches to the right because of the wind -  two of the pellets were touching each other with the last one blowing through the 1/4" ply..if there was no wind the group I'm sure would have been smaller yet !!!

Head shot on Ground Squirrel accuracy for sure at 35 yards and delivering 10fpe - this from a short 36 inch 5.5lb pumper :-)

I'm extremely happy with the accuracy and the speed I'm getting. It is almost 90° out here and I'm heading home till tomorrow morning, when I'll chrono the Baracuddas again when it's cooler..
I must say the added leverage to the cocking arm is very welcome, this Benji 392s fits in very well with my wooden Benji's for sure !


wll

[mrbulk]

I must say the added leverage to the cocking arm is very welcome, this Benji 392s fits in very well with my wooden Benji's for sure !


wll

I was just gonna say, to my eye the pictures of the S do seem to show the cocking lever being longer (even though it's made of polymer?), is it contributing to the added leverage?

[wll2506]

I must say the added leverage to the cocking arm is very welcome, this Benji 392s fits in very well with my wooden Benji's for sure !


wll

I was just gonna say, to my eye the pictures of the S do seem to show the cocking lever being longer (even though it's made of polypmer?), is it contributing to the added leverage?

I haven't measured it but yes, it is longer, it is a very nice feeling cocking arm.

wll

[wll2506]

Out with the 392s this morning going after Feral Pigeons.

Gun is pushing Seneca Domes with six pumps at around the 450fps area. Gun is zeroed at the 35 yard area, giving me +1.85 inches high at the ~15-30 yard area and about ~1.8 inches low at 40 yards. So I just make a mental dot about ~2.00 above my cross hairs to around 35 yards. and ~2.00 low around the 40 yard mark. This is no big deal and have done it for years ---- as long as I stay in the 20-40 yard area with 35 yards being my "0" I feel I'm good. The size of the intended target helps a lot also.

My yardage today is around the 25-30 yard range - I'm on the backside of the area I normally shoot from. I definatly have the poop for Ferals at the 30 yard range with this set up for sure!

I'm sitting on a small hill at the ready, the scout scope set up being a fast acquisition proposition is a real plus. We will see what happens in the upcoming moments.

Well so far it's a big "O" so I'll try the JSB Monsters, old style - these shot horribly in my Liberty:-(

Well six pumps and I'm getting exactly 465fps, pretty much what I figured I would get. -------- and accuracy ---- Very very good and pellets were flying true, no tail spinning as I could tell to ~ 47 yards, and that distance is not in the cards for what I planned for this gun.

Now I have three pellet choices, and from my intent for this gun, it looks like Monsters and Seneca Domes are the leaders for pest/hunting situations. Barracudas are also very good and are a good alternative but don't quite have the smash of the other two. This gun is pretty much a "Take 'er Out and Get 'er Done" kind of gun :-)

Now remember this is all with 6 pumps, 8 pumps is very doable and ads a lot to the power --- I just tested the Monsters again and it is getting ---
Monsters:
6 pumps = 465fps - 12.2fpe
8 pumps = 510fps - 14.65fpe
Seneca Domes:
6 pumps = 450fps - 12.8fpe
8 pumps = 485fps - 14.88fpe

Not to bad - - -

I went back out and carried the gun around a bit, the sling was very useful, letting the gun hang upside down from my right shoulder. As always with just about all my airguns, air was in the gun, round in the chamber, but gun unlocked !

The wind is blowing and making things pretty tough, I'm waiting for a target of opportunity but I don't think it is about to happen.

Went back to my car and wanted to see if I could hit some small rocks at 35 yards away ... yep she can do it and it hits 'em as they say "good" :-) I shot at a tree branch some 80 yards away against the skyline so I could follow the flight of the old style Monsters ---- they flew true :-)


I'll be back tomorrow to the chagrin of many :-)


wll

[wll2506]

Was out at my spot at 5:30, took a couple of warm up shots and all seems good. Have Monsters in the tube as they seem to be working well and have 6 pumps of California air in the tube :-)

This is not like having my PCP guns where I'm able to shoot a bunch of shots and don't care --- with this gun every shot is a physical excursion extravaganza, so I'm particular of my shots ---- Not a bad thing, just different !

Fired a few shots at small targets in the ~37 yard area and she about 1 inch low, which is OK.. Where I go in general that 35 yard area is the zone. With the pellets at 465fps I'm just about an inch or so low in that zone, so I'm fine for Ferals at that range ! I don't want to raise my sights as that will cause my 20-30 yard shots to shoot to high, So I got to know where I am, about 2 inches high FROM + at 20 yards. Aim low on chest on pest for a hit (depending on size of pest - think in general 1.75" above + for hit in the 15-25 yard area) . Takes a little getting use to, but you just have know your gun.

This gun makes a nice blind gun because of its length at 36". She sits comfortably in my lap as I wait and doesn't hit everything in sight because of gun length.

On another note,  I just emailed the company that I bought some pellet sizers from to see if the would make a 5.56mm unit just to resize the Seneca Domes a bit for easier loading in the Benjamin. 5.53mm is fine for my liberty but is way to small for the Benji !

It's 7:30 now and it is still not scorching hot so I will stay a bit longer.

As I sit and ponder, I realize how much I like the Hunters Supply butt pack, it is big enough for a few tins of pellets and a few other very light and small things. The top is very comfortable for your cheek for scope shooting. I was also able to attach my sling to the bottom strap so I did not have to drill and tap the stock. The velcro on that strap is tough stuff ! The pack I got was the shotgun version because I wanted the bigger shell holders so I could use them to hold vials for pellets if I wanted.

Well it now close to 8:30 and things are starting to heat up, one more shot at small rocks on the roof and I'm out a here.

Later,

wll

[mrbulk]

Was out at my spot at 5:30, took a couple of warm up shots and all seems good. Have Monsters in the tube as they seem to be working well and have 6 pumps of California air in the tube :-)

This is not like having my PCP guns where I'm able to shoot a bunch of shots and don't care --- with this gun every shot is a physical excursion extravaganza, so I'm particular of my shots ---- Not a bad thing, just different !

Fired a few shots at small targets in the ~37 yard area and she about 1 inch low, which is OK.. Where I go in general that 35 yard area is the zone. With the pellets at 465fps I'm just about an inch or so low in that zone, so I'm fine for Ferals at that range ! I don't want to raise my sights as that will cause my 20-30 yard shots to shoot to high, So I got to know where I am, about 2 inches high FROM + at 20 yards. Aim low on chest on pest for a hit (depending on size of pest - think in general 1.75" above + for hit in the 15-25 yard area) . Takes a little getting use to, but you just have know your gun.

This gun makes a nice blind gun because of its length at 36". She sits comfortably in my lap as I wait and doesn't hit everything in sight because of gun length.

On another note,  I just emailed the company that I bought some pellet sizers from to see if the would make a 5.56mm unit just to resize the Seneca Domes a bit for easier loading in the Benjamin. 5.53mm is fine for my liberty but is way to small for the Benji !

It's 7:30 now and it is still not scorching hot so I will stay a bit longer.

As I sit and ponder, I realize how much I like the Hunters Supply butt pack, it is big enough for a few tins of pellets and a few other very light and small things. The top is very comfortable for your cheek for scope shooting. I was also able to attach my sling to the bottom strap so I did not have to drill and tap the stock. The velcro on that strap is tough stuff ! The pack I got was the shotgun version because I wanted the bigger shell holders so I could use them to hold vials for pellets if I wanted.

Well it now close to 8:30 and things are starting to heat up, one more shot at small rocks on the roof and I'm out a here.

Later,

wll

So lessee, here -
The gun slows you down to make each shot count. check.
The pumping provides physical exercise, check.
The compact size is better for handling and blind use, check.
And I'll be receiving all this since I have one ordered and incoming, check.

But now I realize I have to get a Hunters Supply butt pack as well, because it is big enough for extra tins of pellets and other light small things, check.
The top of this butt pack creates a nice cheek rest, check.
The bottom becomes a nice sling attachment point, check.
And the shotgun version of butt pack has more space so better get that one, check.

Dang it wil, you are a super enabler without (probably) even knowing it!

[wll2506]

Was out at my spot at 5:30, took a couple of warm up shots and all seems good. Have Monsters in the tube as they seem to be working well and have 6 pumps of California air in the tube :-)

This is not like having my PCP guns where I'm able to shoot a bunch of shots and don't care --- with this gun every shot is a physical excursion extravaganza, so I'm particular of my shots ---- Not a bad thing, just different !

Fired a few shots at small targets in the ~37 yard area and she about 1 inch low, which is OK.. Where I go in general that 35 yard area is the zone. With the pellets at 465fps I'm just about an inch or so low in that zone, so I'm fine for Ferals at that range ! I don't want to raise my sights as that will cause my 20-30 yard shots to shoot to high, So I got to know where I am, about 2 inches high FROM + at 20 yards. Aim low on chest on pest for a hit (depending on size of pest - think in general 1.75" above + for hit in the 15-25 yard area) . Takes a little getting use to, but you just have know your gun.

This gun makes a nice blind gun because of its length at 36". She sits comfortably in my lap as I wait and doesn't hit everything in sight because of gun length.

On another note,  I just emailed the company that I bought some pellet sizers from to see if the would make a 5.56mm unit just to resize the Seneca Domes a bit for easier loading in the Benjamin. 5.53mm is fine for my liberty but is way to small for the Benji !

It's 7:30 now and it is still not scorching hot so I will stay a bit longer.

As I sit and ponder, I realize how much I like the Hunters Supply butt pack, it is big enough for a few tins of pellets and a few other very light and small things. The top is very comfortable for your cheek for scope shooting. I was also able to attach my sling to the bottom strap so I did not have to drill and tap the stock. The velcro on that strap is tough stuff ! The pack I got was the shotgun version because I wanted the bigger shell holders so I could use them to hold vials for pellets if I wanted.

Well it now close to 8:30 and things are starting to heat up, one more shot at small rocks on the roof and I'm out a here.

Later,

wll

So lessee, here -
The gun slows you down to make each shot count. check.
The pumping provides physical exercise, check.
The compact size is better for handling and blind use, check.
And I'll be receiving all this since I have one ordered and incoming, check.

But now I realize I have to get a Hunters Supply butt pack as well, because it is big enough for extra tins of pellets and other light small things, check.
The top of this butt pack creates a nice cheek rest, check.
The bottom becomes a nice sling attachment point, check.
And the shotgun version of butt pack has more space so better get that one, check.

Dang it wil, you are a super enabler without (probably) even knowing it!

MrBulk,

I do like this gun a lot, as I loved my "Push for Fire Safety" Sheridan. I'm surprized I did not shoot that gun out, but I VERY RARELY pumped her past 8 pumps --- most of the time I used 5 pumps and often used just 3 pumos --- used Sherdan Domed Conical Pellets in the yellow box only !!!.  (Man alive was that gun ahead of its time or what ?)

I have my other Benji 392 guns that I put extra goodies in, but the stock 392s does just fine.

The only things I could do is Mac1 Steroid linkage and pumping arm linkage. I really don't need to do the valve stuff I have done before, as for my use this gun as it stands is fine !!


wll

[mrbulk]

Thanks wil, appreciated.