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Love my Diana 65 but really tired of carrying it around.  Is there such a thing as a lightweight springer with a match trigger?  Not looking for power, just something pleasant to shoot.
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Re: Lightweight springer with match trigger- Is there such a gun?
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2021, 07:22:14 AM »
Dave,

Based on your problem statement, expect a lot of recommendations for the HW30S, or Beeman R7 (same thing).  These shoot at 7 to 8 ft.lb.  Usually very easy to shoot well (for a springer).  With adjustable trigger.

Details from here: https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Beeman_R7_Air_Rifle/1899

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Max Velocity   700 fps (.177)
Overall Length   38.5"
Buttplate   Rubber
Function   Single-shot
Weight   6.1 lbs
Trigger Pull   1.25 lbs
Scopeable   11mm dovetail
Safety   Automatic
Suggested for   Plinking & target practice
Caliber   .177" (4.5mm)
Loudness   3-Medium
Barrel Length   15.5"
Shot Capacity   1
Cocking Effort   18 lbs
Barrel   Rifled
Front Sight   Globe w/Aperture Inserts
Rear Sight   Adjustable for windage & elevation
Trigger   Two-stage adjustable
Action   Break barrel
Powerplant   Spring-piston
Body Type   Rifle
Upgrades   with sights


Cheaper and faster shipping from Europe.  Note shipping cost.
 Have it in three days: https://www.krale.shop/us/weihrauch-hw30-s/

Currently out of stock at Pyramyd Air and Airguns of Arizona.  AOA also has fancy walnut stock version:
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https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/spring-piston/weihrauch-hw30s-air-rifle/


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Re: Lightweight springer with match trigger- Is there such a gun?
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2021, 07:23:02 AM »
Toughest part is finding a light weight spring gun that will maintain accuracy.  Part of a springer's accuracy is in its weight.  The heavier ones often (but not always) shoot the straightest.

If you find a light weight springer whose trigger is not what you expect, either get into it and work it so it does meet expectation, or if you are not secure doing that, send it off to one of our expert tuners for the job.
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Re: Lightweight springer with match trigger- Is there such a gun?
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2021, 07:29:20 AM »
Part of a springer's accuracy is in its weight. 

Or more exactly, power to weight ratio.   A light, powerful springer will be harder to shoot well.  A light low power springer (such the HW30/R7) is much easier to shoot.

Yes, the above springers are not powerful enough to shoot in wind beyond 25 yards, but then neither is the Diana model 65.  Also, the OP stated that power was not a requirement.  Now; if you consider that regulation 10 m target air rifles are not allowed to shoot over 600 FPS, then the HW 30 / R7 already has that beat by 100 FPS.

Weight is the stated problem; hence the move all the way in the other direction.  Else, for optimal weight and balance, I would recommend the HW 50.  But, out of the box, the HW 50 is much more jumpy and harder to shoot well than the HW30 / R7.   So, a slightly detuned HW50 might be optimal, but that definitely requires intervention.  Out of the box satisfaction is better...

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Re: Lightweight springer with match trigger- Is there such a gun?
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2021, 07:53:37 AM »
Dave,

I too have been on a similar quest.  I settled on a Beeman R7.  To get the velocity lower, i made a spacer and installed it between the seal and the piston. The spacer adds .5 inches of length to piston assembly.  This shortens the piston travel by 1/2 inch and slightly shortens the the duration of piston travel.  The main thing is that lower the terminal velocity of the piston and this lowers felt recoil.  For me, it has been a win.

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Re: Lightweight springer with match trigger- Is there such a gun?
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2021, 08:30:40 AM »
Hw30 or R7. At ten yards either of mine at 8 fpe (scoped) will shoot single round hole 5 shot groups. Sometimes ten shot groups. At 25 yards in calm conditions yards they'll shoot WELL under half inch 5 and sometimes 10 shot groups.

The rekord trigger is legendary. It's an engineering marvel. Most of mine are adjusted to break cleanly at 8ozs with still retaining its first stage. People have strong feelings about tuning them or not. I'll just say this I've shot mine untuned until the spring broke and it never gets as nice as a tuned gun. Btw it probably took ten thousand rounds to break the oe spring. The cool part is the gun is so nice and fun to shoot you'll rack up that many rounds quickly. Tuned they're even nicer.

Downside is power. At 8fpe it's basically a 30 yard gun. I'll shoot spinners and sparrows past 30 yards but not for serious groups or furred critters.

Being so easy to cock and shoot accurately I don't see how a spring gun could be better for basic backyard or short range fun.
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Re: Lightweight springer with match trigger- Is there such a gun?
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2021, 08:35:58 AM »
The econo model is a Crosman Optimus springer with a Charlie Tuna GRT trigger.
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Re: Lightweight springer with match trigger- Is there such a gun?
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2021, 08:43:47 AM »
Love my Diana 65 but really tired of carrying it around.  Is there such a thing as a lightweight springer with a match trigger?  Not looking for power, just something pleasant to shoot.

And then....if you aren't dead-set on a springer, you might consider one of the Daisy target shooters...753, 853, or 953...or a nice little refurb from CMP.
I have an R7 and a couple of HW30s, and they are fun fun fun....but I took my 953 out yesterday for the purpose of taking pics of the red dot sight to post, and spent a little time shooting. I had forgotten just how lovely that gun is to shoot!
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Re: Lightweight springer with match trigger- Is there such a gun?
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2021, 11:40:19 AM »
Thanks to all for the info and ideas.  I'll grind on it for awhile and see if something pops up for sale.  Dave
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Re: Lightweight springer with match trigger- Is there such a gun?
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2021, 12:26:09 PM »
Check this one - https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/

Looks like the perfect match for you.
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Re: Lightweight springer with match trigger- Is there such a gun?
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2021, 01:31:17 PM »
HW30 outlived the competition….just not that many lite weight, good trigger, low powered springers lasted as long.  Probably a real good reason for that;: HW got that one “right”….the market changed, not as much demand as there once was, HW outlasted the competition.

Did look at the PA blog….mostly I like the changes.  Just a little stock change and that ball bearing detent
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Re: Lightweight springer with match trigger- Is there such a gun?
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2021, 02:07:34 PM »
An HW55 would fill the void well I do believe.

I like shooting mine much more than my FWB 300S.

It's got a better trigger and a better breech lockup than a 30S. Plus the piston is lightened and shoots smoother.
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Re: Lightweight springer with match trigger- Is there such a gun?
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2021, 02:20:09 PM »
Lite weight?

Loved the 55 MM...but light weight it was not.   Do think the HW trigger was more refined on the HW55's (seemed that way to me when I was running 4 HW's), were concentrating on accuracy more than power....but a lite weight, they weren't (besides, a good one today costs an arm and half a leg).
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Re: Lightweight springer with match trigger- Is there such a gun?
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2021, 03:30:39 PM »
Lite weight?

Loved the 55 MM...but light weight it was not.   Do think the HW trigger was more refined on the HW55's (seemed that way to me when I was running 4 HW's), were concentrating on accuracy more than power....but a lite weight, they weren't (besides, a good one today costs an arm and half a leg).
I was gonna ask because first, you have to even find a 55 and then, how crazy a price are they going for these days especially if it's in great shape and shootable on delivery.
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Re: Lightweight springer with match trigger- Is there such a gun?
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2021, 06:04:07 PM »
Did look at the PA blog….mostly I like the changes.  Just a little stock change and that ball bearing detent
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Re: Lightweight springer with match trigger- Is there such a gun?
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2021, 06:14:59 PM »
Did look at the PA blog….mostly I like the changes.  Just a little stock change and that ball bearing detent
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https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2021/04/hw-30s-part-1/
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Re: Lightweight springer with match trigger- Is there such a gun?
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2021, 06:25:56 PM »
Did look at the PA blog….mostly I like the changes.  Just a little stock change and that ball bearing detent
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https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2021/04/hw-30s-part-1/
They've always had a ball bearing detent. Well at least every one I've heard of. In fact for decades it's been criticised as a design flaw. A few people blamed the design for lock up issues. I did a big write up/post here explaining the truth behind the lock up issues some people have. If you ever have a problem Google Hw30 lock up issues and look for my thread here. It's complete with diagrams and full explanations.
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Re: Lightweight springer with match trigger- Is there such a gun?
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2021, 09:30:10 PM »
Did look at the PA blog….mostly I like the changes.  Just a little stock change and that ball bearing detent
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https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2021/04/hw-30s-part-1/

One more example of the "godfather of airguns" not having his facts straight.......  ::)
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Re: Lightweight springer with match trigger- Is there such a gun?
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2021, 09:41:26 PM »
Lite weight?

Loved the 55 MM...but light weight it was not.   Do think the HW trigger was more refined on the HW55's (seemed that way to me when I was running 4 HW's), were concentrating on accuracy more than power....but a lite weight, they weren't (besides, a good one today costs an arm and half a leg).

Would you not expect a "match rifle" to be somewhat expensive?

Personally I can't consider a child's sized sporter with a weak ball bearing breech lockup to be a "match rifle". 

For a "match rifle" I don't think a 7 something pound rifle is that heavy. But "light" and "heavy" are relative terms, and I'm not retiree age like most airgun nuts, so maybe my perspective is a little (or a lot) different.  ;D

Anyway, don't go after a collector grade (are you gonna shoot it or sleep with it?) and things get more affordable.

My HW55T was under $500.

But then again, the OP wanted a lightweight springer with a "match grade" trigger, not a "match rifle" exactly. But then again, what's a "match grade" trigger exactly? I've heard it tossed around a lot, and even applied to some guns with pretty sorry triggers. So again, maybe a case of a relative term.


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Re: Lightweight springer with match trigger- Is there such a gun?
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2021, 10:05:19 PM »
Did look at the PA blog….mostly I like the changes.  Just a little stock change and that ball bearing detent
??
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2021/04/hw-30s-part-1/

One more example of the "godfather of airguns" not having his facts straight.......  ::)

Exactly.

There are not really other light springers with a trigger like the HW30. Cheap, light with bad triggers seems too common.

If I could get a bigger heavier stock, I think it would be even more accurate than the crazy accurate it already is.
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