Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING



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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #40 on: December 19, 2013, 07:48:07 AM »
yeah I was totally unaware of that, but most of the time I didn't leave my air guns cocked long as most of them were springers and i was paranoid about loosing spring tension over time... So i would just fire it into the ground or a pine cone or something! Dont hunt much with my Airguns so it wasn't much of an issue but good info to know for sure!!
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2013, 08:25:37 AM »
yeah I was totally unaware of that, but most of the time I didn't leave my air guns cocked long as most of them were springers and i was paranoid about loosing spring tension over time... So i would just fire it into the ground or a pine cone or something! Dont hunt much with my Airguns so it wasn't much of an issue but good info to know for sure!!

This is not so much about leaving a gun cocked (which should NEVER EVER be done at all IMHO regardless of springer/gas/pcp, it's just not worth the risk let alone the damage), it's more about if you come "off" a shot because the quarry moved/you got a fly in your ear/gust of wind or whatever reason, when your finger has already touched the trigger.

I think of it like if you were to lean against a door & start pulling the handle down, but not quite enough to fall through the door. If you then let go of the handle the door catch can't slide back in because of your weight pushing against the door & it may be just on the very edge of opening. So then next time you just touch the handle or someone comes up & knocks on the door, it lets go & you end up on your behind... Except with the door scenario there's only you flying round not a lump of lead  :o
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2014, 04:42:55 PM »
Good advice.
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2014, 01:29:54 PM »
I keep looking for a "Like" box to press...   
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2014, 12:13:18 PM »
For anyone interested, I started a post on this topic on the Yellow forum. Interesting thread, tk
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #45 on: March 03, 2014, 05:38:06 PM »
New to air rifles. Thanks for sharing this. I just hope i can remember it.
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #46 on: September 01, 2014, 03:29:39 AM »
Common sense, but I might never have thought of it if you hadn't posted this.
Kinda gave me shivers to realize I hadn't thought of it and probably never would have.
Thanks for making me aware it beforehand!
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #47 on: October 04, 2014, 11:33:38 AM »
Quick uninformed question.   Does the term "Balk Firing" refer to air rifles only?

Reason i ask, is that i have not found a reference to "Balk Firing" in connection to firearms and misfiring.
Also is it odd that it has the word "Firing" in it  which technically would not apply to an airgun.
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #48 on: October 04, 2014, 03:29:06 PM »
I refer to the launching of any projectile as firing. As a kid we used to fire spitballs across the classroom at each other. The only time we balked was when the teacher came into the room.
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #49 on: January 18, 2015, 03:45:12 PM »
Never thought about this-thanks!!!
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #50 on: January 22, 2015, 09:53:51 AM »
thank you, I never thought about this.

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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #51 on: June 20, 2015, 09:34:01 AM »
Thanks!
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #52 on: July 02, 2015, 03:15:45 AM »
Thank u for the info
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #53 on: July 23, 2015, 09:23:06 PM »
I am brand new to this Forum and Airguns.
Thank you for this informative post!
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #54 on: July 29, 2015, 11:55:21 PM »
I'm so glad you posted this, thank you Bob. I've noticed this due to the sensitivity of the replacement GRT-IV trigger I installed. I never would have realized it with the crummy original SAT trigger it came with.
However, I never would have known that one could reset the sear by re-cocking it. I agree with most of the other submissions that the best option in such a situation is to finish the trigger cycle into something inert.
One last detail I noticed when a balk fire occurred with my Gamo Silent Cat, was that I was unable to engage the safety after the sear had been engaged. This further emphasizes the importance of ensuring a safe discharge of the weapon.
I'm a little amazed that this is the only mention I've seen about this safety issue.
Thank you for bringing this into the open.
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« Reply #55 on: August 06, 2015, 11:45:39 PM »
WOW... did not know about this. Makes sense though. Thank you very much sir. This is critically important to me as my son and I plink almost daily, I don't like to think of the worst results of a balk fire during our bonding time. Very important safety issue.
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #56 on: August 13, 2015, 02:26:01 AM »
I experienced a variation of this just the other day with an FD-PCP. You may or may not know that the FD-PCP does not have a gauge on it, unless you are blessed with the talent or or the means to put one on. It had been awhile since I last shot the gun and I'm not sure if I didn't leave it charged or it leaked off. Either way, I put a pellet in it and try to fire it. All I got was a half click from the trigger. Without thinking I hooked the gun up to my tank to fill it. As soon as the pressure from the tank entered the tube the gun fired. Two very fortunate things happened....
#1. I never position myself in the line of fire when filling any PCP.
#2. It fired before it built enough pressure in the tube to do serious damage to the roof of my porch when it hit it, just a nice little reminder ding. I'm sure it would have done plenty of damage to my eye tho.
You can rest assure I'll never let this happen again.
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« Reply #57 on: August 18, 2015, 10:29:49 AM »
Very good tutorial on the subject. I had never put much thought into what happens when one starts to pull, and then releases a trigger.  The concept is simple, and yet I never thought it out. I never even heard of "balk firing", even though I had seen the topic posted at the top for eons (just didn't take the time to read it).

Suggest we even edit the title with the words "Safety Reminder" or similar words in the subject so that those that scan quickly might take more notice.  Wish I would have taken the time to read it a long time ago.

Again, good topic, thank you for posting.

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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #58 on: December 03, 2015, 06:03:49 PM »

Thanks Bob. My tactile takes note.
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #59 on: February 11, 2016, 07:07:18 PM »
Thanks for the tip . This forum is an invaluable resource for novice airguners  , such as myself .
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