Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING



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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2012, 01:51:29 AM »
We get very complacent with our "toys" because they are easy to use and very reliable as a rule.  But there are very dangerous forces at play in all of these airguns.  Even something as humble as a 1377 has to be treated with proper safety and respect.

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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2012, 04:16:40 PM »
I am a complete noob to the forums and people here at GTA and am glad you guys left this post stickyed longer than a few weeks.

This is awesome so learn!
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2012, 02:54:14 PM »
This actually happens to me on my RX-1. Occasionally I shoot at paper in the backyard with this beast and sometimes I start to engage the trigger and let off without firing because of my breathing or some other distraction. The trigger literally becomes a hair trigger, the slightest breeze will set the gun off - it's pretty scary actually. I always keep it on target at the pellet trap and shoot if off. This gun has one of the worst triggers (this is just my opinion), I'm sure an adjustment and/or tune would certainly make it better but this one has the most unpredictable trigger break out of all my guns including my powder burners. I find the trigger creep on my RX-1 to be dangerous, it's actually gone off with the slightest touch after letting it off - this is where good firearms safety will keep things in check. One can never be too careful, thanks for writing such an informative post, Bob. I had no idea what the term was for this, now I know ;)
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2012, 08:22:27 AM »
I see you mention discharge, and I'd think that would be the best route to go every time. Recocking might work with some or even many guns, but losing one pellet seems worth any safety risk. Into ground or into the air! We had the "well if you are shooting into the air you might kill someone" discussion either here or in the old forum, and pretty much proved that 'up' will do no harm.

But great safety info!
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2012, 10:18:07 PM »
Thanks Bob. Being new to air guns, this is very helpful and will enable me to avoid a dangerous situation.
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2012, 10:16:58 PM »
A good argument for good triggers.
I prefer the breaks-like-an-1/16th-inch-thick-glass-rod trigger feel.
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2012, 07:11:21 PM »
Can this happen on a good trigger?
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2012, 10:13:53 PM »
It can happen with almost all triggers, good or bad, but especially springers and gas rams.

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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2012, 09:43:01 AM »
Very good info, and something I've never thought about.  I'll be sure to be extra careful.  Thanks for sharing!

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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2012, 10:14:23 PM »
cringed at the thought of this happening! Yikes! thanks for the warning
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2013, 03:36:29 AM »
Thanks for this valuable piece of information, being that I'm a newbie this helps a rockhead like myself. I made my son read it also, thanks
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2013, 08:01:25 PM »
Makes total sense.  I've actually thought about the sear creeping up as I put the pressure on the trigger, and it just never dawned on me to just re-cock.  Major DUH moment when I read the post.  Very good info!
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #32 on: February 20, 2013, 11:05:51 PM »
Thank's I would have never considered any of that without reading this post.

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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2013, 08:20:00 PM »
Thanks Bob, I had no idea this could happen.  Glad I've never had it happen to me but I will always, from now on, discharge into the ground.  They say you learn something every day  ;)
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2013, 11:03:45 AM »
Thanks for the heads up. I have handled guns on a daily basis for most of my life. We sometimes get too comfortable with our ability and that's when bad things happen. I don't know if I ever did this and that is what concerns me. I will definitely keep this in mind with all my weapons. I was a school trained armorer in the Marine Corps and trigger assemblies was an important part of the curriculum. I should know the answer if I ever did this and I don't. Thanks again.

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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2013, 11:30:02 AM »
This is not a problem with all spring rifles, for example the hatsan quattro trigger is designed to re engage the sear if the shot is not taken and the trigger is pulled but not fired. So there are some exceptions to the rule
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2013, 11:33:51 AM »
You know, I've had this happen to me without ever knowing that it had happened until it was explained to me. (cue sun rising, spotlights crisscrossing in the skyline, etc., etc.)  After years of shooting bows and learning that if the shot just wan't "right" to let the bow down and start over, it (not completing the shot) had become second nature - something I never even thought about.  Then, with the air rifle, resume with the whole process, and get a trigger pull that is measured in puffs of breath and not pounds and ounces.  Just another example of "live and learn, or read GTA and live and learn even more".  ;)

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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2013, 12:02:37 PM »
Thank You very much, I have experienced the "balk"situation and I always tried to correct the reason for the "balk" in the first place as quickly as possible and take the shot as to not leave the gun in a dangerous condition. My common sence was good enough to warn me that this was not a good thing but, evidently it was not good enough for me to realize I could recock and reset the sear. However, if the sear is only hanging on by the proverbial thread, recocking the gun may be enough of a disturbance to cause the gun to fire. I know that with my Stoeger and my Nitro Venom, I have to "bump" the barrel out of lock position before I can cock it. And I have some really crappy luck. Yeah.. I think I'll just go ahead and take the shot in a safe direction.
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2013, 10:06:09 AM »
Thanks for this, Bob. You have made, me aware of something that I had never even considered and you also have probably saved a lot of us a LOT of trouble and misery with this awareness. In the future, if I don't complete a firing sequence, I'll just fire off into the dirt as someone here suggested.

God bless you for so many great insights!

I second these comments
I just started in air guns and did not know this.. and surely would have created this condition...
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Re: Everone should read this… Revised..UNDERSTANDING BALK FIRING
« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2013, 12:14:15 PM »
Ive been shooting airguns for over 30 years and never even thought of that!  Good thing to know, especially since i have the GRT 3 trigger installed on both of my gas ram rifles, and being the quality pieces that they are, the pull is greatly reduced from thier factory counterparts, and they break so crisp.  But really, as was said, it applies to anything with a trigger.  Great info!

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