verdict on springers=====================

[Ribbonstone]

On-Demand targets shot by a springer (metal spring/one gas spring)....it's not  bad.

This is as good as I can to,picking up a springer after a 5-7 week lay off,and trying for some kind of 25 yard target clusters
YOu got 3 poll choices:


Springers...a 90-95%solution for short range (20-30 yrds).

Do NOT want to bet what caused the one-off pellet strike.  COULD be a pellet that passed by inepection, could be a bit of inattention to hold....either ine is just about as likely.
Am going with "me"...I held it some how differently...that's what I can try to improve.

IT IS that single off-center strike that makes the difference between a good PCP and a springer.

Does not matter what brand rifle,who made the barrel,what pellets were shot....it'sjust the best the rifles with me at the trigger  can do.

CERTAINLY with a better shooter, they would do better...with better pellets that would likely do better....with a better than 4X scope they could possibly do better.

Which is pretty much as fart in the wind,that is NOT how they ACTUALLY get used...not concerned with what they COULD be..or how much they cost..or who made them....am concerned with what they do for me rarther than what they do for you.

[Ike the GSD]

I vote choice #1

[Leaded]

Is there supposed to be a target grouping pic attached?

[JuryRigger]

Is there supposed to be a target grouping pic attached?

Yes, is there? If you posted up one, I cannot see it...
Jesse

[Ribbonstone]

Sorry guys...a few 60mph gusts of wind and the power goes out.

Doesn't really matter WHAT shot them (so I taped over the rifle information)....just that this is as good as I get with springers.

Likely could dedicate myself to the breed and avoid that 1 out of 10 "off shot"...but the world is so full of interessing non-springers that I can't make that kind of one-type-dedication.

DSCN3039 by Robert Dean, on Flickr



Would be 100% on something the size of an old school silver dollar....but more like 90-95% on something the size of a silver dime.

So I gotta ask:

1. Would more springer power make the results better?
2. Would higher scope power (these both have 4X scopes) make that much difference to the "oops"shots?


As it is....shooting isn't always all that serious....away from paper, I'd likely have written off the "opps" shot as just one of those "mystery-misses"...where I think I did everything right, but didn't have the bottle cap "zing" off into the distance.

Could be a very good argument, in the ignorance is bliss formula of life,  for NOT putting a springer on paper.

[lefteyeshot]

I was holes touching at 20 yards yesterday with my BAM B3-1 AK and my Crosman/Mendoza Rm377.  I'm a little computer challenged for pics.

[A moron]

Springer is low overhead shooting.  Just the gun and pellets . Lower priced , no hand pump or that cost no pumping shoot and pump it up shoot.  Springer just cock load shoot all day or till pellets run out.

I don't see but a PCP for the price then the support stuff like a pump then pump it up for what ever time it takes with the recommended stop after so many pumps and shoot like what 20 to 60 shots and repeat the pumping process.?   Don't sound too appealing to shoot targets or pop a squirrel.   Maybe large bore for bigger game hunting I could see it , but everyday all day enjoyment springer shoots well and cheap. (Opinion)

[lefteyeshot]

The B3-1 AK was with .22 Industry Brand W/C's. It shoots about 450fps.with a leather seal. I was zeroing a scope I had switched it to. A 4x32 CP. I grabbed the 377 because was in a thread about 377's that morning. RM377 was with the Chinese made Beeman coated .177 W/C's. I had to move the table up from 25 to 20 yards to some shade because the sun was shining in the on the side of my face and into the scope. It shoots about 600fps. The scope is a 3-4x40 Gamo. Zeroing and trying 2 or 3 different pellets got me warmed up.

Verdict: I prefer steel springers. I have a couple of gas rams and a few co2 guns.

[Ribbonstone]

Like springers...shoot them...are just about perfect for some uses.

Not sure what drives us to promote one type as "better" than the other....either trying to justify our choices or just promote the type we personally like better.

HAve nothing against co2,SSP,MSP's either.

Just picking one (or two in this case) out of the safe,shooting them,showing results.

My conclusion is that FOR ME...I'm going to miss a little target about 1 outof 20shots at BEST.

[lefteyeshot]

Takes a little warm up sometimes. If I want to be accurate right off, AR2078B .177 side lever co2.

[Back_Roads]

 Last 6 some months I rarely have shot a springer, when I do shoot till I hit what I'm aiming at sometimes the first shot, then set it aside and grab a PCP, CO2, or multi pump.
 Old bones do not like getting jarred as much as they used to basically 

[Ribbonstone]

One did a pretty good job of saying put...the .177 shot lower than when I put it away (OK...I shot lower...the rifle probably had nothing to do with that.)

Off shot with the .25 could have been anything.....human is always the prime suspect.


Could be that PCP's are popular not just because they can be powerful....could be that anyone can shoot them well right off the bat.

[nced]

Springer is low overhead shooting.  Just the gun and pellets . Lower priced , no hand pump or that cost no pumping shoot and pump it up shoot.  Springer just cock load shoot all day or till pellets run out.

I don't see but a PCP for the price then the support stuff like a pump then pump it up for what ever time it takes with the recommended stop after so many pumps and shoot like what 20 to 60 shots and repeat the pumping process.?   Don't sound too appealing to shoot targets or pop a squirrel.   Maybe large bore for bigger game hunting I could see it , but everyday all day enjoyment springer shoots well and cheap. (Opinion)

Yep......except for the fact that a springer requires a more robust scope than a PCP.

[A moron]

Springer is low overhead shooting.  Just the gun and pellets . Lower priced , no hand pump or that cost no pumping shoot and pump it up shoot.  Springer just cock load shoot all day or till pellets run out.

I don't see but a PCP for the price then the support stuff like a pump then pump it up for what ever time it takes with the recommended stop after so many pumps and shoot like what 20 to 60 shots and repeat the pumping process.?   Don't sound too appealing to shoot targets or pop a squirrel.   Maybe large bore for bigger game hunting I could see it , but everyday all day enjoyment springer shoots well and cheap. (Opinion)

Yep......except for the fact that a springer requires a more robust scope than a PCP.

True , like a package scope for sure. 

Thing about a scope is if you get one that worthy spend a little on one it's something you can move around gun to gun and get long term use from.

So buy into a scope you can move up not just hand me down or junk pile it.   Pcp or springer or powder burner  mount site and shoot it. Some money well spent.

[nced]

Springer is low overhead shooting.  Just the gun and pellets . Lower priced , no hand pump or that cost no pumping shoot and pump it up shoot.  Springer just cock load shoot all day or till pellets run out.

I don't see but a PCP for the price then the support stuff like a pump then pump it up for what ever time it takes with the recommended stop after so many pumps and shoot like what 20 to 60 shots and repeat the pumping process.?   Don't sound too appealing to shoot targets or pop a squirrel.   Maybe large bore for bigger game hunting I could see it , but everyday all day enjoyment springer shoots well and cheap. (Opinion)

Yep......except for the fact that a springer requires a more robust scope than a PCP.

True , like a package scope for sure. 

Thing about a scope is if you get one that worthy spend a little on one it's something you can move around gun to gun and get long term use from.

So buy into a scope you can move up not just hand me down or junk pile it.   Pcp or springer or powder burner  mount site and shoot it. Some money well spent.

With recoiling piston guns it's also important to get a brand of scope with good customer service because they will probably need work after a couple years if there is a lot of shooting with HW95 class gun recoil or more (I used to shoot approx 10,000 shots per year). I've found that the Hawke brand has good customer support with pretty good optics.

[Ike the GSD]

Springer is low overhead shooting.  Just the gun and pellets . Lower priced , no hand pump or that cost no pumping shoot and pump it up shoot.  Springer just cock load shoot all day or till pellets run out.

I don't see but a PCP for the price then the support stuff like a pump then pump it up for what ever time it takes with the recommended stop after so many pumps and shoot like what 20 to 60 shots and repeat the pumping process.?   Don't sound too appealing to shoot targets or pop a squirrel.   Maybe large bore for bigger game hunting I could see it , but everyday all day enjoyment springer shoots well and cheap. (Opinion)

Yep......except for the fact that a springer requires a more robust scope than a PCP.

True , like a package scope for sure. 

Thing about a scope is if you get one that worthy spend a little on one it's something you can move around gun to gun and get long term use from.

So buy into a scope you can move up not just hand me down or junk pile it.   Pcp or springer or powder burner  mount site and shoot it. Some money well spent.

With recoiling piston guns it's also important to get a brand of scope with good customer service because they will probably need work after a couple years if there is a lot of shooting with HW95 class gun recoil or more (I used to shoot approx 10,000 shots per year). I've found that the Hawke brand has good customer support with pretty good optics.

If my 350 eats the scope that's on it now, I'm installing a peep-sight, the mil-dots are whacky anyway, if I use the ones to raise the elevation they're pretty close, if I use the ones to lower the elevation they're WAY off I almost put a hole in the pellet trap because of it, but I up-armored it with a 3/16" piece of steel so na naah na naah na na scope makers LOL! Townsend Whelen once said a peep sight was as good as a 2X scope I have a UTG Leapers 4X32 A/O .  On a side note, these red lines implying I'm not spelling words correctly are annoying as fiberglass in the underwear.

[Ribbonstone]

HAve had springers kill scopes they shouldn't have (at least if you buy the maker's opinions)....and some that should have died but haven't.

The targets that started this were shot with simple 4X scopes....one I've been trying to kill for about 30 years (old Tasco 4X40mmAO  airgun scope) and a cheap BSA that has been in use on springers for about 6 years.

Go figure....not going to be upset if either of the scopes turn to poo next time out shooting.

Inexpensive and simple seem to last longer than inexpensive and complicated.

[A moron]

"On a side note, these red lines implying I'm not spelling words correctly are annoying as fiberglass in the underwear."

Your not trying to say righting pots here spell cheek drive u krazy?

Man thing changes whole sentences on me  and changes words and lines to some off the wall crazy stuff.....lol.  I spend more time editing my posts then anything.


Anyway,. Finding a strong scope and knowing that saves money.

I did try a athlon optics talos on this scope buster I'm using now and so far so good . Knock on wood.  Also with this the mil dots seem good for hold over and under. 

Thing is no telling how any springer going to slam the guts on a scope  .  It's going to bust it's guts or hold up .  And one guy days it works great for him but it did not for you kinda thing.

I also look for that life time no ? Asked warrante . Athlon offers that as well as like that hawke brand.

[lefteyeshot]

Seems to me, no proof or numbers, AO scopes seem to break more often. I'm talking about $80 to $150 scopes. What do you all think? I'm just guessing, I have about 10 to 12 broke scopes and 6 or 7 are Hammers. My big scope breaker is my .177 Hatsan 155. My Hatsam 135 and Beeman mach 12.5 have broke some. The Diana 56th maybe one. Now I have a $300 Vector on it with one of the first Z mounts on it. So far Okay. The first Z mounts were $100 dollars. Seems they were made in Germany. The newer ones are made in China and I got a couple came wit guns, a D250 and D430. They don't work as well.

[A moron]

Seems to me, no proof or numbers, AO scopes seem to break more often. I'm talking about $80 to $150 scopes. What do you all think? I'm just guessing, I have about 10 to 12 broke scopes and 6 or 7 are Hammers. My big scope breaker is my .177 Hatsan 155. My Hatsam 135 and Beeman mach 12.5 have broke some. The Diana 56th maybe one. Now I have a $300 Vector on it with one of the first Z mounts on it. So far Okay. The first Z mounts were $100 dollars. Seems they were made in Germany. The newer ones are made in China and I got a couple came wit guns, a D250 and D430. They don't work as well.

Ya, price don't matter to a springer.   I got sub 100$ and +100$ scopes that hold up and some that could not make 500 shots. 

That athlon talos was on sale for 128$ and it's my first side focus and it's now on a Gamo mach 1 .22. That has busted everything Ive put on it  quick and it's up to near 10000 shots. So far so good. A sub 100$ scope in use for me is a hammers magnum I got on sale for like 60 bucks  nothing fancy but holds up solid.

Heck I could go shoot that talos today and it busts in my next few shots who knows. I hope not  ,but....., You never know. Then I find out how real there no questions asked lifetime warranty is.

There are say for example discovery scope for springers but in there footnotes some have " not for magnum springer use"  and there +100$ scopes and only a year or 3 warrantee  not no question asked lifetime.  To me that disclaimer means " well good luck with it ".

I guess it comes down to what your willing to spend . What you read up on as a solid known springer user experience brand .  Choose one you like . Mount it up and fingers crossed it don't spit her bits and holds up under several guns you use it on shot after shot after shot forever.