Problems with my D460

[Madeintheuk]

So, I’ve had my 460 for about 4 months now, and put about 500 rounds through it. That being said, I haven’t been able to get good groups out of it for the life of me.
There are 2 issues I’m having with it, firstly, the scope ran out of windage adjustment to the left, and still is off. I’ve tried 2 different scopes, different rings, turning rings around, etc. am I missing something?
Second, I can’t get over the recoil. I bought a magnum for the typical reason of “more power baby!” But I didn’t realize it kicked like a mule. Not to mention, cocking effort is rough, and I’m a big guy!!!
I think my grouping is suffering due to this, and I’m not good with repeating my hold.
Any tips to detune this thing, or tame it somehow. I know this thing can be accurate, but it just isn’t for me.
HELP!

I should also add, I want to hunt with this. I’m not much of a paper or plinking guy. Just use those to get me dialed in. I would love to take this thing out in the woods for a day of tree ratting , but I can’t trust being humane with it right now!

[Bladebum]

Gonna need to know quite a few things before advice. I owned a d460 in 22 and put over 16k rounds through it. It was my only airgun at one point, it is a tack driver and a power house.

Have you done any work to yours? Tune kit? What scope are you running? What pellets? Ever cleaned the barrel? Whats the chrony numbers? Do you know how to lightly hold a springer? Adjusted the trigger to your preference?

Those are a few of the questions that need answering first and we can get to the bottom of it.

[Madeintheuk]

Gonna need to know quite a few things before advice. I owned a d460 in 22 and put over 16k rounds through it. It was my only airgun at one point, it is a tack driver and a power house.

Have you done any work to yours? Tune kit? What scope are you running? What pellets? Ever cleaned the barrel? Whats the chrony numbers? Do you know how to lightly hold a springer? Adjusted the trigger to your preference?

Those are a few of the questions that need answering first and we can get to the bottom of it.

It’s a bone stock .22, including the trigger.the trigger however is really nice outta the box.  I have used jsb 15.89, hades, cphp, jsb 18.1, and H&N hunter extreme 20g.
Scope is a vortex crossfire 2 with utg rings and utg drooped rail installed.
I don’t have a chrony, so no numbers for ya, and yes......I have shot many springers, but not magnum. I’ve tried heavy grip, light grip, artillery, bags, off hand, rested, you name it. I’ve tried it. I don’t usually post help on forums until I’ve exhausted my own knowledge. Which isn’t much, but enough to get started.

[Bladebum]

Pellet choices are great, and I'd really stick with the jsb 15.89 or hades as that gun typically likes those weights/types.

If you haven't yet, clean that barrel. Especially if you never have and even more so after shooting those Crosman premiers. The patch worm kit is an excellent choice and very affordable.

Not having a chrony is shooting yourself in the foot(no pun intended) HIGHLY suggest investing in one. It can diagnose problems in a few shots. If you have a broken spring, bad piston or breech seal your velocity/extreme spreads will show it.

GET RID OF THAT SCOPE. If its not already trashed it will be soon by that gun. UTG 30MM tube is the way to go. The mount you have should be fine, as long as you have the stop pin in place.

I would also highly suggest a vortek pg3 kit. The stock springs in those get weak or break fast. The vortek kit transforms those guns. Then while your in there completely clean/de grease the chamber , debur the cocking slot and receiver holes. The 460 has a nice separate compression chamber(like most under levers) and the oem piston seals are not usually damaged and last a very long time. Ive found them to be the best performer for the Diana's.

There is alot more to go into, but a clean barrel, the right scope and a chrony are absolutely essential first.

[Madeintheuk]

Pellet choices are great, and I'd really stick with the jsb 15.89 or hades as that gun typically likes those weights/types.

If you haven't yet, clean that barrel. Especially if you never have and even more so after shooting those Crosman premiers. The patch worm kit is an excellent choice and very affordable.

Not having a chrony is shooting yourself in the foot(no pun intended) HIGHLY suggest investing in one. It can diagnose problems in a few shots. If you have a broken spring, bad piston or breech seal your velocity/extreme spreads will show it.

GET RID OF THAT SCOPE. If its not already trashed it will be soon by that gun. UTG 30MM tube is the way to go. The mount you have should be fine, as long as you have the stop pin in place.

I would also highly suggest a vortek pg3 kit. The stock springs in those get weak or break fast. The vortek kit transforms those guns. Then while your in there completely clean/de grease the chamber , debur the cocking slot and receiver holes. The 460 has a nice separate compression chamber(like most under levers) and the oem piston seals are not usually damaged and last a very long time. Ive found them to be the best performer for the Diana's.

There is alot more to go into, but a clean barrel, the right scope and a chrony are absolutely essential first.

I will clean the barrel next. I have the patchworm kit already, I use it on my pcp’s.
As for the scope, I really like it, and I know for sure it’s not trashed. It still tracks true and is clear as day. I got this one because of vortex lifetime warranty, and talking to their rep about it definitely being MAGNUM springer rated.
I’ve been looking into tune kits. Even kits that detune it to help with the recoil. I really don’t need a magnum, I’m just a go big or go home guy, and it’s bit me in the @@@. I probably would have done better with a D34 or similar, but now I have it, so I’m going to try and make it work as much as I can before giving up and putting it in the classifieds.
Thanks for the idea. One of those things that always gets missed and yet is so obvious!!

[Yarddog]

I had similar issues with my 460 as the OP, except that I've never had any airgun "kick like a mule".  I've had some twelve gauge shotguns shooting slugs kick like a mule...I've had a .375 H&H Magnum kick like a mule...my Super Blackhawk kicks like a mule.  But airguns...naw.

So what I did was send it off to Motorhead to detune it.  It came back as a 'shoot all day' airgun.  Very accurate, very smooth, I was happy as a little boy with a new toy! 

So that's what I recommend.  Could a guy do that himself?  To a degree, sure.  The other part of the equation is Scott's own ability to make custom parts and his unique knowledge, and that's why I trusted him with it. 

[Madeintheuk]

I had similar issues with my 460 as the OP, except that I've never had any airgun "kick like a mule".  I've had some twelve gauge shotguns shooting slugs kick like a mule...I've had a .375 H&H Magnum kick like a mule...my Super Blackhawk kicks like a mule.  But airguns...naw.

So what I did was send it off to Motorhead to detune it.  It came back as a 'shoot all day' airgun.  Very accurate, very smooth, I was happy as a little boy with a new toy! 

So that's what I recommend.  Could a guy do that himself?  To a degree, sure.  The other part of the equation is Scott's own ability to make custom parts and his unique knowledge, and that's why I trusted him with it.

The ‘kick like a mule’ point was to over exaggerate the amount of recoil this has as only being an airgun. By no means does it kick like my mossberg 590, and if it did, it would have been sent back immediately. Lol.
I have been in contact with some tuners that can detune it, but I guess my question is, at what cost $$ is it ok to send a $400 gun to a tuner to “fix” before it becomes ridiculous tI do so instead of selling it and getting something lower power and easier to shoot out of the box. If it’s stuff I can do myself, I’ll be more likely to keep it, than if I have to send it to someone to tame it to my liking.

[Yarddog]

Yeah, Andy. If compared only to other air rifles I reckon the Mule thang is valid! We've chatted about this so I know that you are committed to the rifle! Get that sucker detuned...whether you do it yourself or have it done! You will LOVE it after you do that!

[Bladebum]

Yeah, Andy. If compared only to other air rifles I reckon the Mule thang is valid! We've chatted about this so I know that you are committed to the rifle! Get that sucker detuned...whether you do it yourself or have it done! You will LOVE it after you do that!

I agree here, that gun de tuned to 18-20 ft lbs is an amazing shooter. Itll easily shoot a 16 grainer at 750 , be easy to cock and shoot.

[WolfyW]

Scope mounts being used ?

[Madeintheuk]

Scope mounts being used ?

Utg medium rings with utg drooper rail.

[Yogi]

I had similar issues with my 460 as the OP, except that I've never had any airgun "kick like a mule".  I've had some twelve gauge shotguns shooting slugs kick like a mule...I've had a .375 H&H Magnum kick like a mule...my Super Blackhawk kicks like a mule.  But airguns...naw.

So what I did was send it off to Motorhead to detune it.  It came back as a 'shoot all day' airgun.  Very accurate, very smooth, I was happy as a little boy with a new toy! 

So that's what I recommend.  Could a guy do that himself?  To a degree, sure.  The other part of the equation is Scott's own ability to make custom parts and his unique knowledge, and that's why I trusted him with it.

The ‘kick like a mule’ point was to over exaggerate the amount of recoil this has as only being an airgun. By no means does it kick like my mossberg 590, and if it did, it would have been sent back immediately. Lol.
I have been in contact with some tuners that can detune it, but I guess my question is, at what cost $$ is it ok to send a $400 gun to a tuner to “fix” before it becomes ridiculous tI do so instead of selling it and getting something lower power and easier to shoot out of the box. If it’s stuff I can do myself, I’ll be more likely to keep it, than if I have to send it to someone to tame it to my liking.

An airgun that you do not enjoy shooting is worthless!
An airgun that you enjoy shooting is priceless!

-Y
PS spend the money to get it tuned properly.

[Allen Rice]

Andy,
The RWS 460, 22 is a fine rifle when it is working right.  The CenterPoint Scope I'M using has been working flawlessly for about 4 years.  I've had good success with JSB 14.35 & 15.89 ammo shooting from a bag with the gun resting on the balance point.  I use the butt bag to stabilize the stock with my left hand on the butt bag to adjust the aim point.  I use light pressure on the shoulder and concentrate on holding the aim after firing.  1/2" center to center groups are easy to come by.  Your gun should easily shoot through 1/2" plywood if it is working properly.  I am 79 years old, 195 lbs, and I am able to cock the gun all-day - You can do it too, just hang in there.  I believe the 460, 22 has the power you need to hunt small/medium game.

Good Luck,
ar

[Madeintheuk]

I have heard many people tell me the same. I just don’t know if it’s me or the gun. I’m hoping to settle it down with a tune, and see if it helps. I shot it a bit today, and I was getting about 3/4 groups at 15yds. I know it is capable of better than that, but I think it’s me. The recoil screws me up every time. I even feel myself screwing the shot before the trigger is done doing it’s work. I know for sure a milder firing cycle will do wonders for it, but will a simple tune (not detuning) help the recoil at all?

[Madeintheuk]

Also, I’m not planning on shooting this thing off bags. It’ll be out in the woods, so mostly free hand, or propped against a tree, or shooting sticks. If I can’t use it this way, the. It’s not the gun for me. I took it out the other day and missed every chipmunk I aimed at. Got a squirrel though. However I needed a follow up shot to put him down. I can’t trust it for hunting the way it shoots right now.

[mpbby]

First of all, you have to help the scope to be able to hold zero.

https://life.hawkeoptics.com/riflescope-alignment/

[Bladebum]

Andy, the reality is that it could be both you and the gun. Now, one you can make mechanicaly near perfect, the other requires repetition.

Until you start chipping away at the variables( scope, seals, spring, screws tightened,  clean barrel , shooter hold, trigger control etc) its almost impossible to know which part is causing the issue

purchase a chrony to start running numbers, that will tell you the health of the rifle right off the bat. Im also still suspect of that scope, but that is your call.

Clean that barrel, adjust that trigger to your liking and work on follow through with your trigger pull.

[Mark 611]

The first question I would have is what are u wanting to hunt? and how far are u planning on shooting? Magnum spring guns require a lot technique and follow thru, along with what Josh has also mentioned, I have had several 460mags in .22cal, still have 1, its not my everyday shooter only because I do not need that kind of power unless I'm going after Ground Hog size critters @50yds and beyond, 

[Madeintheuk]

The first question I would have is what are u wanting to hunt? and how far are u planning on shooting? Magnum spring guns require a lot technique and follow thru, along with what Josh has also mentioned, I have had several 460mags in .22cal, still have 1, its not my everyday shooter only because I do not need that kind of power unless I'm going after Ground Hog size critters @50yds and beyond, 

Well sir, you’ve hit the nail on the head there. That’s my Problem. When I bought this thing, I was a proponent of bigger is better. I won’t be using this gun for any farther than 50yds, and it’s mostly for squirrels, chipmunks, mice, and any other small rodent that becomes a pest in my back yard. I’m spoiled for longer ranges by using my fx wildcat in .25. That’s my go to fun usually, but lately I’ve decided to come back to springers for the ease of use, and lack of extra stuff I need to bring with me. If this is overkill for what I want, I’ll gladly put it in the classifieds for something more suitable. I was looking at d34’s and hw95’s to replace this with initially, but I wanted some input first on if I could time this down to my liking. I’m not looking for sub 12flbs, I’m looking for ballpark 16-18 for less recoil, and accuracy to 50yds less.

[dalvipravin]

I wil be watching this thread , I am having D460 for 3 years now shot 1500 or more but she still give that wild recoil n jerk distrubing everything and more over spoils the fun ...

I dismantled noticed the bent spring, breech seal was okay , uk forum was accessible then but not many have these there . So assembled back with re lube and same internals , added a sleev of a old X-ray film as I was not geting teflon sheets back then in lock down , no change ..


I even tried xs01 spring but she's loose on spring guide and the recoil was even harsh she was actualy jumping off my artillery hold )

I love the rifle super accurate  it's .177 doing around 840fps with 8.44 I don't think relubed  n all might have increased any power .

Now am thinking of making a top hat using teflon rod and a teflon .5mm sheet sleec f I can get and see if it makes a difference

Cheers
Pravin