looking to buy a quiet air rilfe for yard use 10-20 yards

[grumpy]

Thanks for the info airscopes.  I was also unaware of the QB78.  It looks nice, but I just can't give into a CO2 rifle.  I am not opposed to the Cometa, it also looks nice, but you seem to be the only US dealer.  If I bought it and something goes wrong, its off to the gunsmith.  Not terrible, but likley more money spent than just calling the manufactuer.

Is there a power requirement? accuracy? I mean, a Red Ryder can shoot 20 yards...

I don't have a specific power or accuracy requirement, but I would like it to be around 400-500 fps.  The 300 fps Red Ryder type guns won't do.

I would have to disagree with you about the 1077 being junk.

I had the wood stock version as a kid, no way the new one is built to the same standard.  It would be a downgrade for me.  Plus I have read quaity control is a big issue.  Some people return the rifle 2 times before they get a good one.

Then I would say that some people don't know how to shoot em then. From my bench I regularly get 3/8-7/16 at 15 yards. Way more then enough for birds or head shot'in small game. Add the AS kit to it and you have even more power and range.

I would not go so far as to compare it to an R7 but you asked for quiet and cheap.

[EMrider]

For backyard stealth shooting, this AG is perfect.  It shoots at about 500fps with 8.4gr JSB .177 pellets.

Wow, I just looked at the specs and reviews on Pyramyd and it seems a good fit.  As long as it is as quiet as you say, it will be perfect for me out of the box.  Its also looks sturdy, which was another unspoken requirement I was keeping to myself

It is solidly built.  Lots of info on this AG can be found online and there are a few in-depth video reviews too.
I had my doubts.  But after 500 shots am amazed at the price-adjusted quality and accuracy.  Even if I had to buy a new one every few years it would be moderately priced.   
R

[momosgarage]

Then I would say that some people don't know how to shoot em then.

The 1077 are being returned because the seals leak and empty the CO2 cartridges right out of the box.  Like I said earlier, I spent a boatload on paintball back in the day, I know about CO2 leaks and fixing seals.  It seems to me when combined with crappy QC, the 1077 will need more maintinance than I am willing to give to sub-$100 USD rifle.

[Bullit]

Co2 airguns many times have more of a "bark", than a pump airgun.  As you said before, they are a bit of expense.  Spring airguns have an inherent noise, due to the mechanics in the powerplant.  The Bronco is a nice little shooter tho.  The 953 or 853 are most likely, gonna be the quietest and accurate choices of all the group mentioned...in the target velocities, without mods.

[Smaug]

Just make sure you like straight-gripped stocks. They're not very good for shooting from a bench, but I don't mind them for shooting off-hand.  Also, are you planning to scope it? That would make the loss of some sight radius a non-issue. (they did that to make the cocking effort easier by effectively extending the length of the lever)

[grumpy]

Co2 airguns many times have more of a "bark", than a pump airgun.  As you said before, they are a bit of expense.  Spring airguns have an inherent noise, due to the mechanics in the powerplant.  The Bronco is a nice little shooter tho.  The 953 or 853 are most likely, gonna be the quietest and accurate choices of all the group mentioned...in the target velocities, without mods.

Then I would say that some people don't know how to shoot em then.

The 1077 are being returned because the seals leak and empty the CO2 cartridges right out of the box.  Like I said earlier, I spent a boatload on paintball back in the day, I know about CO2 leaks and fixing seals.  It seems to me when combined with crappy QC, the 1077 will need more maintinance than I am willing to give to sub-$100 USD rifle.

I have read one post on this site about a 1077 leaking. That sure does not sound like "all of em" to me You have any idea how many of these they sell ?

You want cheap and quiet ?  Try a 1377 and slap a carbine stock on it. Pump it 5 times and your good to go.

[momosgarage]

You want cheap and quiet ?  Try a 1377 and slap a carbine stock on it. Pump it 5 times and your good to go.

I actually just started looking into this after seeing some posted photos on the web.  I see some with a longer barrel, where would I order this?  Is istalling a new barrel something simple I can do myself or do I need to take it to the gunsmith.

It doesn't need to be cheap, unless you think $350 or less is cheap.

[Smaug]

The 1377 won't be any quieter than any of the other pump guns. As a matter of fact, it is about the loudest pumping noise ever, with the plastic fore-stock slapping against the cylinder.

The barrels are easy to exchange oneself. Actually, just about everything on this gun is easy to work on oneself. There's a healthy aftermarket, too. There's a forum just for Crosman air pistols, started by one of our members here:
http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php?wwwRedirect

The 2240 and 1377 are the big hits there.

Cool guns, but not that quiet.

[Lambchops]

I have a Stoeger X20 S in .22 and it's very quiet to use in my neighborhood.

[momosgarage]

I have a Stoeger X20 S in .22 and it's very quiet to use in my neighborhood.

Thanks for the info.  I have gone through many topics and boards to come to my decision.  It looks like I will be getting two rifles.  One for hunting and another for backyard plinking.  For sure I am getting the Stoeger x20s.  I am on the fence with the Air Venturi Bronco or the Daisy 853/953 for the backyard.

[Lambchops]

Get the Air Venturi Bronco! Phenomenal accuracy and very easy to cock i've always wanted one but never got around to it.

[Bullit]

Get the Air Venturi Bronco! Phenomenal accuracy and very easy to cock i've always wanted one but never got around to it.

Phenomenal accuracy???  That's a pretty tall statement pilgrim.....

[lillysdad621]

the daisy 22sg is probably the quietest air rifle with multipump available. even quieter than a r7. at 10 pumps mine shoots 14.3 crosman prems at 510 fps. mine actually likes rws hobbies and at 5 pumps i can shoot them at a target at 25 yards with not much drop.
another option no one seems to mention is the baikal izh60 or 61. is like a 953... but weirder and cooler... and the obvious choice would be a 1377 with a longer (18 inch) barrel and a shoulder stock... quiet as a mouse...it seems toexpand all its air behind the pellet before it exits the muzzle.

[lillysdad621]

... and a full done up 1377 will set you back about 100 bucks with the stock and barrel... you need 2 tools to change it. a flat head and a allen key...

[SAADE]

Momosgarage

4 pages and over 70 posts... got enough info yet?

PA Bronco, Crosman 1377, and the Daisy 22sg.

Now go buy one and report back!

[momosgarage]

4 pages and over 70 posts... got enough info yet?

PA Bronco, Crosman 1377, and the Daisy 22sg.

Now go buy one and report back!

I have had comments like yours pop up on other message boards concerning different hobbies.  To answer your question, NO, I can never get enough info on other peoples preferences and opinions.  I would like the thread to go as long as it can.  I'm the type that will buy or borrow a dozen+ rifles, try them and return three-quarters when I am satisfied.  I hope you don't get offended by my lagging.  I would like to keep the thread friendly because I have seen comments like your turn into hostilities.

another option no one seems to mention is the baikal izh60 or 61

I researched these too, but I heard they reduced the build quality significantly and they are not quiet at all.

[MustangMike]

Stoeger makes a x20 suppressed version
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/stoeger-arms-x20s2-suppressor-air-rifle?m=2406

Academy, cabela's and evel walmart.com have a very good selection of air rifles..

Shocking walmart has a bunch of np crosman rifles for anywhere from $10 up to $30 cheaper then pa

[z28rod]

Air Venturi Bronco is super accurate and quiet, as lambchops stated above......

[Smaug]

Phenomenal accuracy???  That's a pretty tall statement pilgrim.....

What kind of groups are you getting out of YOUR Bronco, Mike, that you feel you can challenge that statement? Or were you going by some other info reported online, same as  Lambchops?

4 pages and over 70 posts... got enough info yet?

It appears that he doesn't, and this post of yours was no further help. Did it occur to you that some folks may need to save money for a while prior to making a purchase, and in the meantime, all they can do is research?

[Lambchops]

No, I don't have an Air Venturi Bronco, but my uncle has one and I shoot it at least once a month. I get a little under .300 c-t-c 5 shot groupings at 10 yards. Not even some pcp's are capable of that. That's why I said phenomenal.