looking to buy a quiet air rilfe for yard use 10-20 yards

[AirScopes]

the Cometa compact 220s... you are presently not going to find them unless they are used. I have the only new ones, I believe, as the importer does not have any -- I bought them all. It will be at least several months before there is anyone carrying them new.

What kind of 'return policy' are you looking for?

[momosgarage]

What kind of 'return policy' are you looking for?

For example, if I bought a NPSS I could return a defective one to the manufactuer or get parts pretty easy.

There might be a local GTA-er who would have you over to have a listen and judge for yourself.

Mac1 Airgun Distributors is pretty close to my work.

The Crosman 2100 and Daisy 880 look cheap and are built cheap, but they're famously accurate.

Smaug, I have taken a look at the big box type 880's and 2100's in the store.  I didn't like them at all.  However, I felt much better about the quality of the Remington Airmaster 77 and the Daisy 22 SG.  Will your "three pump" theory apply to these two rifles?  Frankly, I thought the low-velocity Titan GP nitro-piston would be quieter than these two.  Am I right or wrong?

[Rico14]

If you don't want to spend the money on an R7, take a look at the HW30s

I am only seeing a $60 USD difference, I guess I could use that towards the tune?

spend the extra money on pellets. Both of these are quiet and accurate out of the box. Shoot it for a while, then decide if you need a tune

[gby2k6]

First off, welcome to the forum.  This is a great place to be.  

The R7 is a great airgun to start off with, but it is not a hunting airgun.  It is not meant to be, hence the low velocity, weaker spring, and lower cocking effort.  Of course, you can do it with the R7, but you'd have to be pretty close to do a clean kill (less than 30 yards).  I know others will disagree, but I have one, and personally, it is never going to be the one I use for hunting.  Even in the 20 cal version, you'd have to be pretty close still, but it is a great airgun for what it is, which is for plinking and punching paper.

As far as quietness goes, as others have stated, every springer or gas ram airgun that you get is going to make noise.  My best advice is minimize the audible noise by shooting indoors, or indoors to outdoors and at a silent trap.  

I've got a Crosman Titan GP too, and I don't think it's quiet to the point where nobody will notice.  My advice is get the airgun you really want, and take that 30 minute trip for the hour of enjoyment.  It will be worth it, especially if it's with the one you want.  And heck, you might even meet some great people who are doing the same thing.

-GB

[momosgarage]

Even in the 20 cal version, you'd have to be pretty close still, but it is a great airgun for what it is, which is for plinking and punching paper.

Long term I'll get another, I guess we can focus on quietly shooting targets at home and small varmints in the field for now.

My best advice is minimize the audible noise by shooting indoors, or indoors to outdoors and at a silent trap.  

I actually already have a slient trap, it was the first thing I researched and understood was a priority.

I've got a Crosman Titan GP too, and I don't think it's quiet to the point where nobody will notice.

Do you have the "low-velocity" model?  If what I read is correct, the "low-velocity" TitanGP should have the same velocity as the R7.

The Crosman 2100 and Daisy 880 look cheap and are built cheap, but they're famously accurate.

Will your "three pump" theory apply to the Remington Airmaster 77 and the Daisy 22SG?  The remington seems to be the same as the 2100, but with better parts.  

[AirScopes]

DOA you can return it, but it won't be. Cometa distribution should be improving shortly. It is a 300 year-old company... unlikely to go out of business now.

Richard

[bwana]

I'd go with the Titan GP .22, standard velocity. I have one that I shoot in the backyard. The pellet hitting the target makes more noise than the gun does. If you have a silent trap then as long as it's legal to shoot in your yard I don't think the neighbors would be bothered by the noise. A kid bouncing a basketball in the driveway next door makes much more noise than me shooting in the backyard. If the higher velocity gun is too loud you could always put the lower powered gas ram in it later. You can pick a Titan GP .22 up for around $100 refurbished or off the classifieds. It's a great gun for plinking or hunting backyard critters. Good luck with your decision and welcome to the forum.

[EMrider]

You and I are in pretty much the same situation. 

I tried a Gamo Whisper.  Big mistake.  Loud and I could not hit the broad side of a barn.

Got an R7 a month ago.  1,500 pellets later, I could not be more satisfied.  All of my shooting has been in the backyard.  Noise is my #1 concern.  I don't want anyone to know that I'm shooting an AG.  I use a silent pellet trap and have no concern with the R7.

The R7 is very quiet.  It is stunningly accurate and fun to shoot.  Out to 30 yards, I would not hesitate to hunt small game.  If it needs a tune, I don't understand why.  It shoots great out of the box. 

Good luck.
R

[momosgarage]

The R7 is very quiet.  It is stunningly accurate and fun to shoot.  Out to 30 yards, I would not hesitate to hunt small game.  If it needs a tune, I don't understand why.  It shoots great out of the box. 

I looked into buying a R7 and sending it to this guy off season, with a "quiet tune" priority:

www.springgunning.com

or these guys

www.mac1airgun.com

Are these guys and good?  What kind of price range am I looking at for "quiet tune"?

I was a little hesitant on the R7 due to total price, but I am being convinced by this thread.  I am sure the Beeman will last a lifetime, so I wouldn't feel bad about the cost in the long run.

[Rico14]

The R7 is very quiet.  It is stunningly accurate and fun to shoot.  Out to 30 yards, I would not hesitate to hunt small game.  If it needs a tune, I don't understand why.  It shoots great out of the box. 

I looked into buying a R7 and sending it to this guy off season, with a "quiet tune" priority:

www.springgunning.com

or these guys

www.mac1airgun.com

Are these guys and good?  What kind of price range am I looking at for "quiet tune"?

I was a little hesitant on the R7 due to total price, but I am being convinced by this thread.  I am sure the Beeman will last a lifetime, so I wouldn't feel bad about the cost in the long run.

Are you going to try to do the tune yourself or send it out? I'm not familiar with the tuners you listed, but I have the Vortek system in both of my R9's. This is a DIY tune, if you have the knowledge to take down a springer. I sent my R9's to Tom at Vortek. Both R9's are quieter than stock and more accurate also. The Vortek kit for the R7 is due out at any time. The Vortek kits are the least expensive of your options, but they will do wonders for your gun

[momosgarage]

Are you going to try to do the tune yourself or send it out?

I am sending it out to the springgunning guy or dropping it off at mac1, which is local for me.  I am not going to attempt to do this myself.

Will an R7 be quieter than a low-velocity TitanGP?  Anybody try it in the field?

The Crosman 2100 and Daisy 880 look cheap and are built cheap, but they're famously accurate.

Smaug, will your "three pump theory" apply to the Remington Airmaster 77 or the Daisy 22SG?  The remington seems to be the same as the 2100, but with better parts.  

[EMrider]

I'm likely to have my R7 tuned at some point.  Like you say, the gun is a long term investment that I expect to own in 30-40 years, so the amoritized cost is no big deal.

But there is no rush.  I'm sure it will perform well in stock condition for thousands of shots.  When the new vortek kit for thr R7 comes out, I may go that route.  I
also have zero interest in doing this myself.  When you want the job done right, hire a professional. 

I gotta admit too that I like the way the R7 looks and handles. 

R

[dnullify]

Are you going to try to do the tune yourself or send it out?

I am sending it out to the springgunning guy or dropping it off at mac1, which is local for me.  I am not going to attempt to do this myself.

Will an R7 be quieter than a low-velocity TitanGP?  Anybody try it in the field?

The Crosman 2100 and Daisy 880 look cheap and are built cheap, but they're famously accurate.

Smaug, will your "three pump theory" apply to the Remington Airmaster 77 or the Daisy 22SG?  The remington seems to be the same as the 2100, but with better parts. 

The R7 and Titan are two different guns at two different price/quality brackets. You might well be just as happy with either. Personally, i think if you're willing to spend for an R7 might as well skip over the titan for now and get it as a project gun later.
And I wouldn't worry about tuning it for the time being. I'd get my money's worth out of the rifle first, then skip right over the drop in kits (vortek/JM) and send it to a pro tuner.

[Bullit]

The Beeman R7 has the Rekord Trigger.  It is renowned as a standard for other triggers to be compared by.  I personally wouldn't go with a copy, as that trigger is not copied. I'd get the real deal.  I'd also shoot it for a while first and get it broken in while you are getting used to it.  You'll be pleased with the quality outa box, but if you should have any issues, and you have opened it up...your warranty is void.  Buy a Titan if you want a airgun to tinker with.
Also, if you decide to sell your R7 down the road, with a Rekord trigger you'll get a much higher price, than any copy.
Again, Welcome and Good Luck!

[momosgarage]

Buy a Titan if you want a airgun to tinker with.

I don't want to tinker with the rifles at all.  I want them as QUIET as possible, even if it means servicing them before they are broken in.  "Quiet" is a non-negotiable part of my request for info.  It all due to the type of neighborhood I live.  Thats why I am asking about rifles that are not in the same class.  Whats the order of quietness in the following rifles, from loudest to least loud?

Daisy 953
Beeman R7
Beeman R9
Beeman Guardian/s550
Crosman Titan Low-velocity
Remington NPSS
Benjamin Trail
Stoeger x20s
Remington Airmaster 77 (how many pumps?)
Daisy 22SG (how many pumps?)

Also which of the above will be most quiet if tuned?  I would love to keep whatever rifle I buy stock and break it in, but if I can pay to get it really quiet, I will do so.  I may have mentioned hunting in my first post, but since I can't have everything all in one lets just focus on quietest "backyard target rifle" in a springer, pump or gas piston

[dnullify]

I can't answer your second question.

The 953 will most likely be the quietest for backyard shooting, being a single shot pneumatic.

The R7 is known for being a very back yard friendly dead-accurate rifle, and with HW quality and the rekord trigger it would be a good option.

The titan/trail might require some tinkering as reports on the trigger say it's pretty unsatisfactory. the GRT replacement triggers have a good reputation for improvement and ease of installment. $32 IIRC. There's no guarantee that it'll be quieter than an R7

No clue about the NPSS but i'm sure it's relatively quiet.

Pump rifles can be loud, i know from experience.


Frankly, if you are just going to stick to 10-20 yards and you don't plan on shooting anything the 953 might be a good option. I've read it likes gamo match pellets which are ridiculously cheap too. I even read a post about someone who bought a 853 lothar walther action/barrel from daisy for a small sum and put it into the 953 stock.

If you want to use it on small pests and birds perhaps the r7 would be the better choice, and you can send it off for modifications later on once the springs or seals wear out anyway.

[gby2k6]

I looked into buying a R7 and sending it to this guy off season, with a "quiet tune" priority:

www.springgunning.com

or these guys

www.mac1airgun.com

Are these guys and good?  What kind of price range am I looking at for "quiet tune"?

I was a little hesitant on the R7 due to total price, but I am being convinced by this thread.  I am sure the Beeman will last a lifetime, so I wouldn't feel bad about the cost in the long run.

The guy at Springgunning.com is Paul Watts.  My .20 cal Beeman R9 is Paul Watts tuned, John in PA Vorteked, and has a full shroud.  It is very smooth, the smoothest springer I have right now. You can actually get a HW30S with the Paul Watt's advance tune for cheaper than buying an R7 and then shipping it to him.  The HW30S is the Beeman R7 but with sights, and no checkering.  I'm not sure where your preference on those are, but you can always ask Paul for a brake or full shroud.

As for Mac1, no experience there, but I hear they do wonders there.  Since they're local too, I don't see a problem in supporting a local airgun smith/protuner.

I wouldn't hesitate sending it to either one of them.  I would also recommend John in PA as well.  He has great turn around time and does an awesome job, especially on the trigger, not to mention very affordable.

Don't forget the pictures once you get it.  I'm sure we're all interested in what you end up with.

-GB

[northern lights]

For only shooting 20 yd,s the 853 would be hard to beat. Or the 853c five shot clip. very quite great accuraccy an the trigger will break in nice. I just got a used one amased at the accuaccy. will shot about ant pellet well. dasiy wadcutter an the cheap beeman pointed are shooting the best so far. outshooting the rws pellets. An the tech force dome is my best at 30yd,s an out. with open sights 1/2 inchs groups are easy at 20 yd,s some down to 3/8. I bet I can get some 1/2 groups out to 40 or more yard,s with a scope. Great rifle. If pellet price is a concern the 853 would be my top choice. then then r-7 or hw 30. For used check out www.omp they have used 853 for 115.00 shipped to you with new seals. Plus the triggers are broke in.

[Bullit]

Yeah, for quiet and accurate, and don't need tuning,  I'll refer back to my first posts.  Daisy Avanti 853 or Beeman R7.    Of your last choices listed, I'd still be with these two.  The Daisy 953 would be a distant 3rd, as it doesn't have the Lothar Walther barrel or the sights that the Avanti 853 has.  The R9 is gonna be much louder than the R7, and was well over your set $350.00 amount.

You can buy a Daisy Avanti 853 from Pyramid Air starting at $280.00 (free shipping on orders over $100.00)
Here's the Link to the one I am referring to:
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/daisy-match-grade-avanti-853?m=145

They also have the Beeman R7 for $360.00 (same free shipping)
Here's the Link to it:
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-r7-air-rifle?m=1899

Like Longislandhunter posts, you don't have to do anything to these rifles but maybe clean the barrel and start having some fun

[Bullit]

I didn't see the Welhrauch HW30s air rifle in your list.  I would add it to compare to the R7.  Same quality, same Rekord trigger, same quietness. It doesn't have the lifetime warranty (1 year)  Here's the link to it as well:
You can buy the HW30s, with sights for $315.00 (free shipping)
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/weihrauch-hw30s-air-rifle?m=2018