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cootertwo · « **Reply #60 on:** May 12, 2020, 03:11:27 PM »

Well, with all the spare time, you'd think some body could sit down and let us know what's going on? Future plans? Maybe the shop is closed, but the internet is still open......

triggertreat · « **Reply #61 on:** May 12, 2020, 03:59:33 PM »

I am not trying to take up for JSAR. There is really no excuse to not update paying customers of any delays, but I personally have noticed that machinist don't make the best PR people. They just want to do what they do best, and that's not dealing with the general public. It's a clear pattern that has stood out from many machinist for me. It would be safe to say machinist are a special breed and are always in high demand. Not the best mix, so we have to deal with this when seeking their talents.

My guess is, if Jason is not dying or dead, he's probably working long hours skipping meals and family life to try and get caught up with orders by himself since two of the key players have left right after all of the preorders arrived for the Raptor. I wouldn't wish that pinch on anyone, especially with the C-19 shutting down many supply chains, too.

If Jason reads this...Press on man...You can please many once things straightened out and you finally get caught up, but you will never-ever please them all.

I don't blame anyone for being upset with a order in, I personally have backed off from thoughts of ordering a Raptor HP until I see something to get excited about from JSAR again. The last thing I want is no communications on a delayed order. I'm too tight with my coins for such a thing. I do appreciate all of the pioneers that have helped my decision to look elsewhere for now. Maybe one day if...

mobilehomer · « **Reply #62 on:** May 12, 2020, 05:58:43 PM »

Here is a good way to keep up with them -
https://www.facebook.com/JSAIRRIFLES/

Jack_R2 · « **Reply #63 on:** May 15, 2020, 12:00:21 PM »

Sean (ctshooter), please give us an update on your issue with JSAR. It's been over 8 months since you placed your order (and paid in full). Assuming issue is still unresolved, why hesitate to file a dispute with your credit card company? Has JSAR responded since you posted? Covid19 or no Covid19, absolutely no reason for JSAR not to communicate. Good luck. Now, expect the excuses for JSAR to start.

Motorhead · « **Reply #64 on:** May 15, 2020, 12:14:35 PM »

BTW ... Owner of Rogue Energies that operates the JSAR manufacturing segment is JACOB E. He IS NOT active in the day to day manufacturing or assembly of the RAPTOR air rifles.
Last contact I had the manufacturing / assembly crew was that of just 2 individuals being the machinists doing double duty. With Travis leaving and myself no longer there either it is no wonder things have gotten even tighter and more difficult to get product out the door.
I wish them all the best and hope as many have for some time they can get over the hump and become a reliable & consistent airgun manufacturing business.

PCPhack · « **Reply #65 on:** May 15, 2020, 01:31:08 PM »

If extra hands are not available locally during this time, they could just as easily find talent anywhere in the US to ship the parts to for final assembly and tuning. They could probably even find the talent from this board. If there are legal and employment concerns, they could stay within state, where they are familiar with laws, and etc.

oldpro · « **Reply #66 on:** May 15, 2020, 02:29:15 PM »

Quote from: Motorhead on May 15, 2020, 12:14:35 PM

BTW ... Owner of Rogue Energies that operates the JSAR manufacturing segment is JACOB E. He IS NOT active in the day to day manufacturing or assembly of the RAPTOR air rifles.
Last contact I had the manufacturing / assembly crew was that of just 2 individuals being the machinists doing double duty. With Travis leaving and myself no longer there either it is no wonder things have gotten even tighter and more difficult to get product out the door.
I wish them all the best and hope as many have for some time they can get over the hump and become a reliable & consistent airgun manufacturing business.

+1

G-man · « **Reply #67 on:** May 15, 2020, 08:58:17 PM »

I emailed JSAR a week or two ago re: general question on delivery date. It was answered in a couple days. But, I'd be be very nervous about ordering a Raptor at this point after reading some of the posts. If there are only 2 other people "holding the fort" things can't be good. If it's anything like where I just left, 5 people down to 2, all I can say is " I hope things improve for them." I have the Raptor on my top three choice list and would order one tomorrow if I thought it'd be done in 12 weeks. Considering the current climate of all things in the US, I guess I'll be waiting a long while to see how things shake out.

It would be really nice if Jacob would post more frequent updates vs the 7-8 (or more) week updates. Customer confidence has been known to make or break many a business.

Jack_R2 · « **Reply #68 on:** May 15, 2020, 09:24:09 PM »

FelixS · « **Reply #69 on:** June 11, 2020, 11:20:19 PM »

Sure is quiet when it comes to JSAR activity. My Raptor is shooting great, very comparable to my Impact, but it also shoots slugs straight

Apparently, JSAR experienced the perfect storm on upstart with C-19 adding to that. I believe the business management requirements exceeded expectations and resources were not available to cover the need. I can't imagine any profitability in the business and believe it was most likely floated for most of its existence.

So, now they are down to a skeleton crew making due. Hopefully they can recover and resume. Best of the best to you Jacob and team.

oldpro · « **Reply #70 on:** June 12, 2020, 12:45:34 AM »

Quote from: FelixS on June 11, 2020, 11:20:19 PM

Sure is quiet when it comes to JSAR activity. My Raptor is shooting great, very comparable to my Impact, but it also shoots slugs straight

Apparently, JSAR experienced the perfect storm on upstart with C-19 adding to that. I believe the business management requirements exceeded expectations and resources were not available to cover the need. I can't imagine any profitability in the business and believe it was most likely floated for most of its existence.

So, now they are down to a skeleton crew making due. Hopefully they can recover and resume. Best of the best to you Jacob and team.

AMEN! They like many other USA companies need all our best thoughts and prayers sent their way.

FelixS · « **Reply #71 on:** June 20, 2020, 12:03:09 PM »

Stopped by yesterday and they were hard at it, manufacturing. Jacob was sweating away, so he was in there too. Great to see them hard at it.

HunterWhite · « **Reply #72 on:** June 20, 2020, 01:41:22 PM »

It's very nice to see the update.

Hunter

Tonykarter · « **Reply #73 on:** June 20, 2020, 02:48:37 PM »

This situation is the demand pull that created venture capitalism. I can see the Shark Tank segment now: excellent product, loyal, hopeful, patient customers, BUT...supply chain issues, production bottle necks, employee turnover, customer-service issues etc, all holding up product output and the creation of certain wealth. It screams for assistance from someone who has experience in start-ups in niche industries. Because it appears that from watching this with perspective over the last couple of years that you have great products but need to rethink your business model from the ground up. Basically, a new startup. Needs an industrial production Gordon Ramsey-like visit, from Mark Cuban!

It has been sad to have watched you go from enthusiastic product introduction to watching your name and company be besmirched on this forum. I feel for you, but most of it is earned. Still, you reached for the American Dream, and you deserve better. Guys, someone is out there who can assist you to become rich beyond your wildest dreams. Ask for help, because it appears you are in over your heads. Yeah, you are going to have to split the pie in more pieces to achieve critical mass and the economies of scale, but isn't a little less now worth it for business stability in the future? Your window of opportunity to rescue the situation in time for your customer base not to leave you is growing ever smaller. You are the mad scientists who should be back in the Skunk Works, not administrating sales management, finance, customer service or materials management. Let others with experience do that.

Either that, or accept the first reasonable offer given you and sell the company and its products to someone with venture capital and the background and experience to straighten things out.

HunterWhite · « **Reply #74 on:** June 20, 2020, 03:33:03 PM »

I have hope.
I wish the best.
If I had the cash I would buy today.
Time to dump something else to make room in the safe. I already have 4 air rifles.
Then maybe. . .

Hunter

KnifeMaker · « **Reply #75 on:** June 20, 2020, 07:10:13 PM »

Quote from: FelixS on June 20, 2020, 12:03:09 PM

Stopped by yesterday and they were hard at it, manufacturing. Jacob was sweating away, so he was in there too. Great to see them hard at it.

Felix, this is hopeful news. I was very afraid that JSAR had closed its doors. Thank you for the much awaited up date.

Mike

Back_Roads · « **Reply #76 on:** June 20, 2020, 07:32:04 PM »

I guess they are just staying safe, you know how them virus spread like wildfire on the internet

JBinCO · « **Reply #77 on:** June 20, 2020, 07:40:34 PM »

Quote from: KnifeMaker on June 20, 2020, 07:10:13 PM

Quote from: FelixS on June 20, 2020, 12:03:09 PM
Stopped by yesterday and they were hard at it, manufacturing. Jacob was sweating away, so he was in there too. Great to see them hard at it.

Felix, this is hopeful news. I was very afraid that JSAR had closed its doors. Thank you for the much awaited up date.

Mike

This is great news!!
My Hawk and Raptor are everything I hoped for and the reason I am scarce lately around here

KYL and AR Steel sound soooo good
When I hit them lol

Bob Pratl · « **Reply #78 on:** June 20, 2020, 09:20:11 PM »

Quote from: KnifeMaker on June 20, 2020, 07:10:13 PM

Quote from: FelixS on June 20, 2020, 12:03:09 PM
Stopped by yesterday and they were hard at it, manufacturing. Jacob was sweating away, so he was in there too. Great to see them hard at it.

Felix, this is hopeful news. I was very afraid that JSAR had closed its doors. Thank you for the much awaited up date.

Mike

ditto++
That is good news as know one wants a nice piece of equipment with no supports or parts.

chwillbill68 · « **Reply #79 on:** June 22, 2020, 12:59:52 AM »

This is awesome! They have some awesome airguns and I want them to do well, keep at it JSAR!

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