Which Gun Should I look At?

[Brawler1588]

Thanks just took a look at your thread good read but mine doesn't need to have a bottle and I would prefer to be $500 or less. I have a buddy that loves his krals. The thing is I need to research the others mentioned like the air arms the bsa never heard of them I'm still new to this world. Also if anyone reading has stuff and willing to take an Aspen as part of a trade feel free message me. Curious what's the ETA on the hawks too

[Wayne52]

Flying Dragon Airguns has the Xisico Sentry Deluxe in stock right now for $315.  They're basically just like the Hawk without the bottle and an air tube instead.  I still want to get one but I  ordered me a Artemis M11MKII instead. The major change from the old Sentry is the addition of Sidelever, bigger air tube, airguage is mounted up front now.  The power is better on the Deluxe model too.  The regular Sentry's are available also for around $270.  http://flyingdragonairrifles.org/index.php?route=product/product&path=59&product_id=70

[anti-squirrel]

I have the Puncher Mega Marine .177, shot count is about 60 before I have to top off. It comes in .22 and .25 as well. These guns have a power adjuster built in, just turn a small dial for the power you want.   I hunt with mine and carrying it in woods is not a problem.  Can't go wrong with the Urban either, light weight and accurate.  Just depends on what you want to invest in. The guns mentioned are all good choices. Good luck.

https://kralarms.com/en/kategori/air-rifles/puncher-pcp/
https://www.pyramydair.com/brands/kral-arms?mid=351;sid=1375A617A415&N=0&Ntk=primary&q=kral&cx=002970863286801882398:jlcminxfwdw&cof=FORID:11;NB:1&saSearch

I tend to listen to everything this lady says- she's got a lot of airguns I've wanted and is willing to share her experiences, good and bad.

Purportedly the newer Krals have resolved a lot of the original problems (sidelevers and valves), and not many people gripe about accuracy.  The nickel-finished models are real beauts with the walnut, too.  After reading how Kral improved things, the Puncher Marine rifle with the half-shroud is squarely on my radar.

Likewise, what Wayne mentioned is true.  I forgot about the Sentry 

BSA and Air Arms are serious shooters- top-notch barrels.  Dang it, too many airguns I like!

[Hoosier Daddy]

I need to research the others mentioned like the air arms the bsa never heard of them I'm still new to this world.

Air Arms and BSA have a LONG history of being top notch airguns.
BSA (Britannia Small Arms) has been around since WWI.

[archellas]

I have a 60 minute scba tank but on the Aspen you get 5-10 and than needs to be topped off before they begin to fall off while on low faster on high. Looking for something that can be filled up and go for some time.

I am selling a KRAL Puncher Pitbull in .22. It has dual tanks for a total of 755cc. It does over 120 shots per fill!! See Rick Eutsler's review on it on youtube. Selling for $399 + shipping (details  by PM)

[K.O.]

So I have a gauntlet in .25 and an aspen in .22 I wanted the Aspen for the reason you can pump it up on the fly. I want to use the .22 for small birds and pests and while it's a great concept even after pumping it 5-10 times your breathing rises and after some testing over the weekend it took some time to be able to settle down and be able to take a shot at something very small. I am looking for a very accurate and fairly light gun that has a decent shot count around the $500 mark. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

well me I am pretty good at tuning up accuracy with Crosman barrels when needed so me I might go for a Fortitude...if putting shot count and light first.. the trigger will never be great but can be made very serviceable for a field rifle imo... 

https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-fortitude-gen-2-pcp-air-rifle-regulated?m=4569

me I can get used to a trigger that is decent my max trigger only did a spring mod and feel it is very workable same with my 13xx pumpers...just do not need better... honestly tho, may get the Baker metal trigger later this  year...

But there is another option if you want better trigger... yay Lego builds... https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=150631.0

I think Crosman is claiming 23 fpe for the .22...

https://www.crosman.com/fortitude-22


I am a bit bummed about not getting one during the Crosman 25% off sale... it has a lot of potential with very good parts support...

[K.O.]

I need to research the others mentioned like the air arms the bsa never heard of them I'm still new to this world.

Air Arms and BSA have a LONG history of being top notch airguns.
BSA (Britannia Small Arms) has been around since WWI.

Actually Birmingham  Small Arms has been around way longer than that.. 1861... with Birmingham Gunsmithing roots to the 1600's...

[Hoosier Daddy]

Thanks for the info!

[Brawler1588]

Quick question between .22 and a .25 the. 22 goes faster because its smaller but does that mean it will have more penetration because it's faster or the .25 will because it is larger a d heavier?

[anti-squirrel]

Quick question between .22 and a .25 the. 22 goes faster because its smaller but does that mean it will have more penetration because it's faster or the .25 will because it is larger and heavier?

penetration is often determined by cross-sectional area if all other factors (pellet shape and velocity) are the same, however, penetration is- as a rule- less important in airguns depending on the type of shooting.  There are numerous threads devoted to this subject spread all throughout every airgun forum.

If your intention is pesting or hunting, a .25 is always going to deliver more energy for a given type of pellet/slug shape if they have the same profile and velocity.  A simple "more mass at same velocity" equations proves it.

For reference- all my pesting is performed inside 40 yards, primarily under 20.  At my short ranges, I use wadcutters 90% of the time.  Wadcutters penetrate less than domes, which is exactly what I want since pass-throughs are something I try to avoid.  When I hunt I'm in open forest, so I break out different pellets (mainly domes or Polymag-style) and my ranges increase to about 40 yards.

One of the best determining factors for choosing a caliber is: what do you intend to do with it.?  In fact, that is really the ONLY important thing in my not-humble-at-all openion unless you intend to reach out 80+ yards for plinking and target shooting, which may require a minor redirection.

the bottom line, there is no wrong answer.  I just advise figuring out what you really want to do with it before you make any other decisions.  Let the final determinant be price.  Everything else is variable.

[Brawler1588]

Quick question between .22 and a .25 the. 22 goes faster because its smaller but does that mean it will have more penetration because it's faster or the .25 will because it is larger and heavier?

penetration is often determined by cross-sectional area if all other factors (pellet shape and velocity) are the same, however, penetration is- as a rule- less important in airguns depending on the type of shooting.  There are numerous threads devoted to this subject spread all throughout every airgun forum.

If your intention is pesting or hunting, a .25 is always going to deliver more energy for a given type of pellet/slug shape if they have the same profile and velocity.  A simple "more mass at same velocity" equations proves it.

For reference- all my pesting is performed inside 40 yards, primarily under 20.  At my short ranges, I use wadcutters 90% of the time.  Wadcutters penetrate less than domes, which is exactly what I want since pass-throughs are something I try to avoid.  When I hunt I'm in open forest, so I break out different pellets (mainly domes or Polymag-style) and my ranges increase to about 40 yards.

One of the best determining factors for choosing a caliber is: what do you intend to do with it.?  In fact, that is really the ONLY important thing in my not-humble-at-all openion unless you intend to reach out 80+ yards for plinking and target shooting, which may require a minor redirection.

the bottom line, there is no wrong answer.  I just advise figuring out what you really want to do with it before you make any other decisions.  Let the final determinant be price.  Everything else is variable.

All my intentions will be for small game hunting and pesting. I have the hollow point slugs for my gauntlet and they are 32.80gr and shoot great at 25 yards haven't tested farther yet but even with the heavy slug I wasnt sure if it would over penetrate while pesting smaller birds etc. This is why I am looking at the .22 will this help with the right ammo on the .22 if I get hollow point slugs to shoot well will they or at least have a chance to penetrate less?

[anti-squirrel]

Quick question between .22 and a .25 the. 22 goes faster because its smaller but does that mean it will have more penetration because it's faster or the .25 will because it is larger and heavier?

penetration is often determined by cross-sectional area if all other factors (pellet shape and velocity) are the same, however, penetration is- as a rule- less important in airguns depending on the type of shooting.  There are numerous threads devoted to this subject spread all throughout every airgun forum.

If your intention is pesting or hunting, a .25 is always going to deliver more energy for a given type of pellet/slug shape if they have the same profile and velocity.  A simple "more mass at same velocity" equations proves it.

For reference- all my pesting is performed inside 40 yards, primarily under 20.  At my short ranges, I use wadcutters 90% of the time.  Wadcutters penetrate less than domes, which is exactly what I want since pass-throughs are something I try to avoid.  When I hunt I'm in open forest, so I break out different pellets (mainly domes or Polymag-style) and my ranges increase to about 40 yards.

One of the best determining factors for choosing a caliber is: what do you intend to do with it.?  In fact, that is really the ONLY important thing in my not-humble-at-all openion unless you intend to reach out 80+ yards for plinking and target shooting, which may require a minor redirection.

the bottom line, there is no wrong answer.  I just advise figuring out what you really want to do with it before you make any other decisions.  Let the final determinant be price.  Everything else is variable.

All my intentions will be for small game hunting and pesting. I have the hollow point slugs for my gauntlet and they are 32.80gr and shoot great at 25 yards haven't tested farther yet but even with the heavy slug I wasnt sure if it would over penetrate while pesting smaller birds etc. This is why I am looking at the .22 will this help with the right ammo on the .22 if I get hollow point slugs to shoot well will they or at least have a chance to penetrate less?

Small birds like HOSPs need about 5 foot-pounds of energy tops.  Pigeons and Starlings I take it higher, but not much more is needed.  I'd recommend wadcutters over anything else especially since you're shooting close-in.

[Brawler1588]

What is the difference between a wad cutter and normal pellet or slug?

[maraudinglizard]

What is the difference between a wad cutter and normal pellet or slug?

Wad cutters look like shuttlecocks. The are the flat tops of pellets.

https://www.pyramydair.com/search-results-ext?keyword=wad+cutter&sid=1375A617A415&N=0&Ntk=primary&q=wad+cutter&cx=002970863286801882398:jlcminxfwdw&cof=FORID:11;NB:1&saSearch

[avator]

Yeah, pellets have skirts (typically domed, pointed or hollow point), wadcutter pellets are flattop and slugs have no skirts....
Best I can do.

[Brawler1588]

Thanks I now see they are flat but what do that mean to impact on an animal wouldn't a hollow point slow down on impact more. Also I pulled the trigger on a flashpup synthetic paid $337 with an extra mag this way I'm under the $500 mark and doesn't hurt so bad.

[mobilehomer]

Thanks I now see they are flat but what do that mean to impact on an animal wouldn't a hollow point slow down on impact more. Also I pulled the trigger on a flashpup synthetic paid $337 with an extra mag this way I'm under the $500 mark and doesn't hurt so bad.

Then this would be of no interest to you -

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=167382.0

[avator]

Thanks I now see they are flat but what do that mean to impact on an animal wouldn't a hollow point slow down on impact more. Also I pulled the trigger on a flashpup synthetic paid $337 with an extra mag this way I'm under the $500 mark and doesn't hurt so bad.

No sir, that flat nose will have a greater impact and be less chance of pass through.

[anti-squirrel]

Matthew (Brawler), wadcutters are very effective for short-range pesting.  I've spent way more time than I'm willing to admit regarding shooting already-dead squirrels to measure "lethality" IE: impact and pass-through potential.  I've found with lower velocities(700 FPS and less) wadcutters are just about unsurpassed at lethality.  They are also less accurate at longer rangers and great velocities, sadly, and I'm aware of only NOE cast pellets being the only .25 wadcutters.  I'm not aware of anything larger- which is a travesty IMHO.  My concerns when pesting are lethality and reduced risk of passthrough, and this is where wadcutters excel.

However, .22 wadcutters are superlative for my needs.  Your Hatsan will likely be shooting a little fast to make good accuracy or use of wadcutters, but the gun can be tuned down if desired.  Sans wadcutters, Polymags and hollowpoints are excellent, and of course, the JSB Hades has already developed a good reputation for pest control.

In the end, your airgun's barrel and velocity will determine what it shoots best, so let that be your guide.  There's a good pellet for just about every airgun, and unlike springers, PCPs give you a lot more flexibility when it comes to tuning/adjusting power.  Once you figure out the energy level you want, look for The Pellet

[Hoosier Daddy]

A flat surface of a wadcutter does not penetrate (as far), so delivers more of it's energy on impact.
 Contrary to common terminology, a hollow-point pellet vs a domed pellet, does not mushroom out like a PB hollow point vs a FMJ...