Repeater Big Bores

[triggertreat]

My first bullpup is the .357 Slayer.  It's great for offhand shooting and field carry, but a little awkward at the bench.  Not too terrible though, and there are work arounds to setting it up on a bench.  Of course there are different styles of bullpups, too.

The rear cocking design on a bullpup was always a concern to me as well.  Fortunately the Slayer requires only a three pound cocking effort, so really a mute point with it, but have read some of these big bores are not so easy to cock.

[etnhunter]

I now own two .357 Slayers, bought the first one used in September when I didn't think my new order would arrive in time for start of deer season.  The new one arrived early this week (bagged my first buck with an AG a couple weeks ago with the used Slayer) so I am glad I found the used one for opening weekend.  I also own a PitBull that is very capable for deer as well.  It isn't quite as powerful as the Slayer (255 fpe vs 285 fpe) but still impressive.  So, I now own three .357's and really only need/want two.  I will probably part with one of them so if you are interested, feel free to PM me.

Dennis

[Joekrooz]

I would take a look at the Atamans, I was hesitant at first with the M2R bullpup, but that has all gone away. It's regulated, 7 shot mag with 10 shots per fill before it drops off. Accurate right out of the box(comes with a Lothar Walther barrel), easy to load and cock, the trigger is 1lb or just a little less, weighs about 9lbs with scope. I haven't chronied it yet but it's probably pushing about 150fpe with 92gr pellets. The cocking lever is in the rear of the gun but does not hinder the cheek placement. It does have some limitation with the size of pellets fitting the magazine, if to long it will not index properly. Fill for this gun is 300bar, so you will need something that can fill it. DonnyFL moderators fit gun very well and do a great job of taming the report. I can shoot offhand with the scope, it's well balanced and easy to carry. I do have a very minor leak with it but it doesn't affect the overall performance of the gun. It takes a few days for it to leak down and I expect that with it being new, I have had new guns do that in the past and with regular filling and shoot, the issue went away.  The price may not make it in your set goal, I caught this gun on sale with PA a few weeks ago and got it close to your set goal. The gun is well made, nothing loose or floppy on it, the wood has a nice finish to it. I am happy with it, so far it has met all my expectations.

They really are nice guns aren’t they Kris. Just picked up one of these also at AGD, on sale. Not a lot of info out there about these guns, I was actually about to start a thread to see if there are other owners of these.  I put a Ronin on mine, still seems loud to me, although I didn’t shoot it without yet. I’ve only shot one magazine so far, waiting to get it to the range whenI can spend some time with it.

[maraudinglizard]

I would take a look at the Atamans, I was hesitant at first with the M2R bullpup, but that has all gone away. It's regulated, 7 shot mag with 10 shots per fill before it drops off. Accurate right out of the box(comes with a Lothar Walther barrel), easy to load and cock, the trigger is 1lb or just a little less, weighs about 9lbs with scope. I haven't chronied it yet but it's probably pushing about 150fpe with 92gr pellets. The cocking lever is in the rear of the gun but does not hinder the cheek placement. It does have some limitation with the size of pellets fitting the magazine, if to long it will not index properly. Fill for this gun is 300bar, so you will need something that can fill it. DonnyFL moderators fit gun very well and do a great job of taming the report. I can shoot offhand with the scope, it's well balanced and easy to carry. I do have a very minor leak with it but it doesn't affect the overall performance of the gun. It takes a few days for it to leak down and I expect that with it being new, I have had new guns do that in the past and with regular filling and shoot, the issue went away.  The price may not make it in your set goal, I caught this gun on sale with PA a few weeks ago and got it close to your set goal. The gun is well made, nothing loose or floppy on it, the wood has a nice finish to it. I am happy with it, so far it has met all my expectations.

They really are nice guns aren’t they Kris. Just picked up one of these also at AGD, on sale. Not a lot of info out there about these guns, I was actually about to start a thread to see if there are other owners of these.  I put a Ronin on mine, still seems loud to me, although I didn’t shoot it without yet. I’ve only shot one magazine so far, waiting to get it to the range whenI can spend some time with it.

It is indeed, with the Ronin I don't have wear ear plugs, it really tames the report. You can add sound damping material to make it quieter, that's what is nice about it. Donny has made where you can take it apart to add more to it or do maintenance if needed. I am shooting NOE .357 92gr pellets in it and it is spot on with them. I haven't even tried anything else with it being accurate out of the box.

https://donnyfl.com/collections/ldc/products/2-x-6-5-inch-ronin

[SAGERAT NITEMARE]

The Ataman has mostly good reviews...it just depends on then luck of the draw and WHO is commenting...price isn't all that bad, I've been looking for a while now but for me the "BLACK DAY" stuff got me and works for my thing.

 Slayer is the dream gun..BUT for the problems.  I would like to have one but I'm WAY TOO CHEAP.

The Hatsans are well known and understood for their "problems"...BUT EVERY gun will have glitches and "problems" to some and price doesn't always reflect reality.

I don't discount what people say that have specific rifles/pistols but it's the old thing of "If you like it, you praise it, If you don't you diss it...AND we ALL have to "buyers remorse" to contend with.

You decide, pays yo' bread and takes yo' chances....bottom line.

Get an Ataman!!!

Good luck on your choice.

[VaporTrail]

I would bet it will not have a reg for max fpe and most likely Ti tube, probably the same fill pressure as the .257 without a reg? I'm not sure what the fill pressure would be 4 max? JSAR would be the guys to ask.

Hmm...so that would mean a 4350 fill pressure, if it runs off of the same pressures as the full size Raptor and the Raptor mini. My brand new tank will fill that gun about 2.2 times. 

[VaporTrail]

I just bought a bulldog
I was very hesitant because of the rear side lever,weak aluminum side lever,the lenth of the rifle and I'm not a Crosman/Benjamin fan.
My Bullboss turned me off on the bullpup design.

However I pulled the trigger on the Bulldog.
Fell in love.
Unlike the Bullboss the Bulldog is well balanced and feels so much lighter despite it being longer it has less steel on it and a larger airtube.

There are Aftermarket steel charge handles avalible.
My requirements were a .357 that produced 10 shots above 120 ft lbs.
Mainly wanted a pellet shooter.
The Bulldog has exceeded my needs and expectations so far.
I believe the Bulldog is the best airgun Benjamin ever produced.
Time will tell.
A foward side lever would be awesome but the rear design is something I can live with.
Especially with the 20% off I got from Pyramid Air.
Maybe I sound biased since I have the New Gun Fever.
I have loved and hated my Bullboss over the years.
Currently love it as long as I have JSB ammo.....anything else I hate the poor accuracy.

Hmm...interesting. I've always like bullpups and carbines. Full size rifles, not so much. I've loved my Boss since I first got it. Sure it's a little heavy, but I love how compact it is. I wish it had a magazine that would fit longer ammo, but oh well. And it'd be nice to have more power, but it's good enough to get things done.

Who knows, though? Maybe if I can get a Bulldog for the right price, I'll give it a shot. 

[VaporTrail]

I would take a look at the Atamans, I was hesitant at first with the M2R bullpup, but that has all gone away. It's regulated, 7 shot mag with 10 shots per fill before it drops off. Accurate right out of the box(comes with a Lothar Walther barrel), easy to load and cock, the trigger is 1lb or just a little less, weighs about 9lbs with scope. I haven't chronied it yet but it's probably pushing about 150fpe with 92gr pellets. The cocking lever is in the rear of the gun but does not hinder the cheek placement. It does have some limitation with the size of pellets fitting the magazine, if to long it will not index properly. Fill for this gun is 300bar, so you will need something that can fill it. DonnyFL moderators fit gun very well and do a great job of taming the report. I can shoot offhand with the scope, it's well balanced and easy to carry. I do have a very minor leak with it but it doesn't affect the overall performance of the gun. It takes a few days for it to leak down and I expect that with it being new, I have had new guns do that in the past and with regular filling and shoot, the issue went away.  The price may not make it in your set goal, I caught this gun on sale with PA a few weeks ago and got it close to your set goal. The gun is well made, nothing loose or floppy on it, the wood has a nice finish to it. I am happy with it, so far it has met all my expectations.

No doubt they are quite the pretty rifle, Kris. I actually debated on getting one a while back. I think it was Loren's .357 carbine that made it look so enticing. After some research though, I found out I'd be roughly in the same starting block as my Winchester. They put out roughly the same FPE.

[wimpanzee]

I have a winchester 70-45 with a power tune from Will Piatt for sale for $700 with scope and rings, $600 without.

It hits right at 200fpe, smooth side lever, and the length is almost carbine like, definitely not a long barrel! 5 shot cylinder magazine.

puts three touching shots at 50 yards all day long, as long as you have air!

[Nomadic Pirate]

Right now Pyramyd has a MAX .45 for sale

https://www.pyramydair.com/product/evanix-max-ml-bullpup?m=3394

Bruddah Manny...I've heard about these. They seem to be alright performance-wise, but for a .45, I'd like for it to be cranking out at least another 100FPE. If they had that, I'd be all over them.

You will be surprised what a 200 FPE .45 is capable off,

I had 300 FPE .45 and 400 FPE .50,...a 200 FPE .45  shooting the EPP/UG is a formidable hunting weapon.

I had a .45 MAX, there's a thread out there showing a bunch

[Nomadic Pirate]

The MAX .45 is a much smaller Pup then the Bulldog 

[rkr]

.45 Evanixes have 21" barrels so they are not too long guns. .45 Evanix can be tuned for up to 300 fpe with heavy bullets. However, they have 15" twist barrels that are not suited for light bullets. That's why I put a .357 barrel to my .45 snd it's still making 210+ fpe with 125 grainers. For 50 yards those .45s are fine but mine did't group at 100 yards.

[Nomadic Pirate]

[Nomadic Pirate]

.45 Evanixes have 21" barrels so they are not too long guns. .45 Evanix can be tuned for up to 300 fpe with heavy bullets. However, they have 15" twist barrels that are not suited for light bullets. That's why I put a .357 barrel to my .45 snd it's still making 210+ fpe with 125 grainers. For 50 yards those .45s are fine but mine did't group at 100 yards.

He's hunting the Jungles of Guam, I don't think he's to concerned about 100 Yards groups LOL , even 50 is a stretch I bet in that environment,.... not everybody is looking for long range target shooters LOL

[rkr]

.45 Evanixes have 21" barrels so they are not too long guns. .45 Evanix can be tuned for up to 300 fpe with heavy bullets. However, they have 15" twist barrels that are not suited for light bullets. That's why I put a .357 barrel to my .45 snd it's still making 210+ fpe with 125 grainers. For 50 yards those .45s are fine but mine did't group at 100 yards.

He's hunting the Jungles of Guam, I don't think he's to concerned about 100 Yards groups LOL , even 50 is a stretch I bet in that environment,.... not everybody is looking for long range target shooters LOL

Well, with some 340 grainers Evanix .45 is devastating at short range if that's what you are looking for. 300 fpe with some tuning and loopy trajectory but you can easily shoot through bushes and vegetation.

[Danny]

Super happy with the Bulldog.  It shoots a wide range of ammo accurately and had no issues harvesting this critter with NSA hollow points.

[rkr]

I got distracted by Manny 340 grainers do not fit in the magazine of Evanix. The largest you can shoot from mag is about 220 grains. That still packs lots of punch and is not affected by twigs and stuff in thick brushes.

[VaporTrail]

My first bullpup is the .357 Slayer.  It's great for offhand shooting and field carry, but a little awkward at the bench.  Not too terrible though, and there are work arounds to setting it up on a bench.  Of course there are different styles of bullpups, too.

The rear cocking design on a bullpup was always a concern to me as well.  Fortunately the Slayer requires only a three pound cocking effort, so really a mute point with it, but have read some of these big bores are not so easy to cock.

Yeah, I took a closer look yesterday, and I saw the rear cocking lever. I really don't like that position. I've tried putting my hand right by my ear and mimicking the motion, and me really no like. I know that's probably not an accurate representation of how it actually is to use a rear side lever, but I just thought I'd get a feel. And if I'm going to be spending 1500 on a rifle, I'd kinda like it if was something that feels natural to me.

I think what I need to do is get my hands on a very budget-friendly rifle that has a rear cocking lever and experience the real thing instead of simulations. Maybe I'll look for a used Flashpup and try it out.

My eyes keep wandering back to the Herc Bully since it's a forward side lever, but I've been reading about how those are a bear to cock. I guess that's a lesser of two evils in my head, since I'm browsing the Hatsan refurbs almost daily. That $600 price tag also makes it quite tempting. 

[VaporTrail]

I now own two .357 Slayers, bought the first one used in September when I didn't think my new order would arrive in time for start of deer season.  The new one arrived early this week (bagged my first buck with an AG a couple weeks ago with the used Slayer) so I am glad I found the used one for opening weekend.  I also own a PitBull that is very capable for deer as well.  It isn't quite as powerful as the Slayer (255 fpe vs 285 fpe) but still impressive.  So, I now own three .357's and really only need/want two.  I will probably part with one of them so if you are interested, feel free to PM me.

Dennis

now that's quite the respectable quiver. Both specimens sling lead quite respectably.

Thanks for the offer, Dennis!

[VaporTrail]

The Ataman has mostly good reviews...it just depends on then luck of the draw and WHO is commenting...price isn't all that bad, I've been looking for a while now but for me the "BLACK DAY" stuff got me and works for my thing.

 Slayer is the dream gun..BUT for the problems.  I would like to have one but I'm WAY TOO CHEAP.

The Hatsans are well known and understood for their "problems"...BUT EVERY gun will have glitches and "problems" to some and price doesn't always reflect reality.

I don't discount what people say that have specific rifles/pistols but it's the old thing of "If you like it, you praise it, If you don't you diss it...AND we ALL have to "buyers remorse" to contend with.

You decide, pays yo' bread and takes yo' chances....bottom line.

Get an Ataman!!!

Good luck on your choice.

Hmm...another vote for the Ataman. You know, it's a crying shame that we don't have a quality airgun shop out here. It sure would be nice to get a feel for the rifles before going off the deep financial end for one.

That, and I have absolutely horrible buyer's remorse.