Talon vs Condor?

[be4meliz]

I would suggest finding a used scba(4500 psi) as compared to scuba(3000psi) if you are getting Shoebox. I have 2 44cu.ft. tanks and can get quite a few fills off each. They can be found used quite cheap on e-bay and other places- better known as "Scott packs" used by firemen. Then the fill set-up from Joe Brancato and your all set.These tanks weigh a lot less than scuba as I have had both. Very portable.

[only1harry]

Yep, even my 66cu.ft 4500 tank is very light and I would say portable even when completely full, if you had it in a backpack carrying it on your back.  But the 44cf would be easier to carry.  However I would not take either one into the woods for an extended hunt or walk.. 
4500psi carbon fiber (Fireman) tanks weigh on average 1/3d of a standard Aluminum 80cu.ft Scuba tank which can weigh up to 35lbs when full! (21-22lbs empty).  And forget about steel Scuba, they weigh more than aluminum.

In general I suggest getting the biggest tank (in volume) you can afford because you do not have to fill it as often, but it's good to have a smaller tank that you can take with you to the range. 

[Rocker1]

 I have a AR6  and it is a cannon I have did a little work on it  and it is shooting 32 grain eujins at 1140s,  the trigger is terrible even after some polishing and the double action is practically useless as far as accuracy  but if you cock it it is a different ag, I assure you what ever you shoot with it  will bite the dust.   David

[longislandhunter]

My 88 cf carbon fiber tank gives me an amazing amount of fills and is still very light.  I'd suggest an 88 cf tank for home one of Joe Brancatos "guppy" tanks for taking into the field.  I plan on getting one of the "guppy" tanks very soon.  

Jeff

[Jringe1109]

thanx guys. im probably gonna hold off on the compressor for the time being because ive spent nearly 2000$ between both guns shrouds bi pods rails lazers flashlights scopes and no im getting a 100cf 3300psi scuba tank and yoke so im running out of "discretionary funds" lol (my fiance is about to kill me lol) i told her the talons for her to shoot shhhhh lol. luckily she loves to shoot trap with me and is getting into airguns as i am now officially addicted and seeking help hahaha! but i must say i went a little bit overboard and need to hold off on a few things for now
thanx for all the helP
-jeremy

[Jringe1109]

and now** im getting a 100cf scuba tank

[Jringe1109]

ohh and one more question with the talon shooting 21 gr kodiaks and 28gr eujins what do you think the max fpe will be on the highest useable powerwheel setting, and usually about what # on the wheel will that be at? i have to get a chrony too uyy vey

[geewhiz380]

wow i just posted about a chrony and saw this im concern for power wheel settings as well and without a chrony is hard to tell however many bros in here with condors and talons will vary however its basic stuff ,put yourself on the list for the shoebox compressor i could have had mine but when they sent me the message my compuer was out of order for about three months and i lost out but i just order again however if they sell one in the yellow or here i,ll purchsse it ...bulls eye bills frame will work also for 1/4 of the going price ,yep 58.00 shipped ...so many accessories however im keeping the action stock to keep warrenty valid ...good luck with your ag ..jorge

[Jringe1109]

Jorge,
@@ss%% guns has their venom shroud for 55$ which i ordered and its custom cut to your specifications. also the stock barrel ring that attaches to the frame comes off and the shroud slips on in its place holding it snugly in place and it looks bad ^&* as well lol. let me know how bullseye's shroud is maybe post a pic when you get it. i dont know how to reformat pics on this forum to 200kb. i use a mac and cant seem to figure out how to resize the image. i wish i could figure it out tho lol.
-jeremy

[longislandhunter]

I have one of Bills frame extenders on my Talon and my Condor,, they work great and the look and fit is fantastic.  

As for adjusting the rifles power and tophat,, you really do need a chrony in order to accurately gauge the effect of your adjustments.  As for the power wheel,,,, you will find that once you reach maximum power (as determined by the chrony) turning the power wheel any higher does nothing except waste air and lower your shot count.  

With the Condor most of your efforts will be to keep the pellets under 1100 fps  

With the Talon, shooting Kodiaks, max power will probably be pushing those 21 gr. kodiaks in the mid 900's, the Eunjins will be in the high 800's to low 900's.  Can't tell you what power wheel setting that will be at as it depends on what your tophat setting is from the factory.  

Jeff

[Jringe1109]

jeff,
forgive me for my ignorance but where is the top hat located and what does it do? im guessing its on the valve on the tank??
thanx

[longislandhunter]

The tophat is indeed on the tank.  It's the silver colored device that is on the very tip of the tank, it's screwed onto the shaft and tightened down with a small grub screw on the side of the tophat.  Actually if you look at it from the side it has the same shape as a "top hat" head gear of old    

You can adjust the position of the tophat on the shaft by screwing it up or down, which will in turn adjust the volume of air released during each shot.  If you don't have a chrony, or if you are unsure about making tophat adjustments then my advice is to simply leave it at the factory setting. 

Jeff

[Jringe1109]

thanks jeff.
is there a measurement that you find to work best on ur talon and condor? i have a micrometer and im mechanically inclined lol im a locksmith/ part time firearm gunsmith.
(i know you live in the same proximity as i do so if you ever need a locksmith im ur guy, suffolk county locksmith on montauk hwy in shirley). lol.
-jeremy

[longislandhunter]

My talon is still at factory setting.  I did play around with the condor though, I don't remember what I have it set at, I'd have to measure it again.  Factory setting works pretty well and actually you may never have a need to adjust it.  If you're really interested in the topic though the "TAG" has a ton of info on tophat adjustments . 

As for locksmith services, thanks for the info.  If I ever have need I will indeed head over to your shop

Since you and I live so close we have to get together one of these days and do some shooting....

Jeff

[Jringe1109]

yes absolutely. i was planning on going up to brookhavens airgun range this wensday or sunday depending on when my "birds of prey" show up lol. i really need to buy a chrony before they get here so i can set them up proper.
pm me if you wana go shooting im free on those two days this week.
jeremy

[only1harry]

Get a Chrony first Jeremy and do your testing with it.  I wouldn't mess with the tophat until after you really know the gun well, and you have put it through its paces (and the Chrony). 
The Chrony will help you find a PW setting for your Talon and Condor that makes the gun shoot consistently with a small variation from shot to shot.  Each gun differs slightly with the PW so we cannot give you exact settings like Jeff indicated.  Generally many people leave the PW between 6 and 8 for most shooting, but some times it comes down to the pellet the gun likes.  If your prefer to shoot 'lighter' pellets, or your Condor is more accurate with medium weight ones, then you need to turn the PW way down and run some strings through the Chrony.  You may also have to lower the pressure fill on the Condor to achieve manageable velocities and accuracy with anything smaller than Kodiaks.  Anything past PW 9 or 10 usually does not do anything on a stock gun, unless you have an aftermarket hammer and/or spring.  Then the slightest movement of the PW makes a change, and you can go up almost the entire range of the PW.

I still have not digested the fact you ordered 2 of them!   Good for you!! 
If you get together with Jeff on the Island and he shoots your .25 Condor, he will be ordering a .25 LW barrel for his, or a new Condor .25 the next day, hehehe