Hankering for a Break Barrel - SIG Sauer ASP20 & Nearest Competers

[wimpanzee]

AFAIK ASP20 is also the only fully American made gas piston gun.

[USAFANG6799]

AFAIK ASP20 is also the only fully American made gas piston gun.

AFAIK ?

[wimpanzee]

AFAIK ASP20 is also the only fully American made gas piston gun.

AFAIK ?

As Far As I Know

[USAFANG6799]

Thank U.
I don't get out much so that's why I asked 

[DevilsLuck]

AFAIK ASP20 is also the only fully American made gas piston gun.

However Sig Sauer isn’t an American company. Part of the deal with having won contracts with the US military; the weapons production has to be in the US.

[OneGear]

I've owned some Crosman and Turkish break barrels but from what I understand they are crude compared to the German flavor break barrel.
Sig is supposed to address that crude break barrel over all feel.

I've had all three and your statement is demonstrably false.  Sig Sauer would never have built a break-barrel if everyone truly felt all break-barrels were crude.

Diana and Weirhauch triggers are top shelf.  The price difference between a Diana 240 and a Weirhauch HW30 is the sights on the Weirauch.  Either one is a hands down winner if you are just hanging out shooting knockdowns with guests.

The finish on my Turkish Model 95 is completely different than that on my Crosman Vantage (Chinese B19).  Turkish trigger is amazing yet different than the German designs.  Barrel and receiver on the chinese gun is very similar to the german ones.  My turkish barrel and receiver finish is different but different isn't inherently inferior.  The Model 95 carries a beautiful stock, fantastic trigger and commensurate accurate barrel with a quiet and very comfortable shot cycle (in .22).

I won't speak to the US-built Crosman break-barrels except their US built CO2  and pneumatics do set a standard in a crowded field.

Sig charges a significant premium for the ASP20.  I'm sure it's a great gun but there are so, so many great guns for the same money (or $100's less).  I endorse US manufacture yet I went for an HW50 over the ASP20 when the Sig became available despite my waiting near a year for the Sig.

I won't badmouth the ASP20 because it's a great gun but it doesn't offer anything you can't get several other places for the same money and equal or better shooting.  Great place to put your money but hardly unique in the market.

This turned into a lit class exposition, sorry.

[Bryan Heimann]

The market is pretty crowded for a fine breakbarrel.  It is hard to make a name with a new high end breakbarrel  rifle because the demand is not there.

I suspect the ASP20 may not get it's fair shake here.  It is at least 1/3 more powerful than the guns it is normally compared to.  It is a very powerful breakbarrel and could possibly hang with more docile guns in it's accuracy and "shootability".

I can appreciate the ingenuity that they put into the gun and I think it has a place among other guns in the same price range.  Especially the whiskey3 scope combos.

I'd go for the ASP20. 

[USAFANG6799]

The market is pretty crowded for a fine breakbarrel.  It is hard to make a name with a new high end breakbarrel  rifle because the demand is not there.
I suspect the ASP20 may not get it's fair shake here.

Oh so true! I suspect that with the steady development and encroachment of the PCP many break-barrel manufactures are feeling the same pressure.
Sig's timing isn't the best to make this very expensive venture. I suspect they are working diligently on getting into the PCP market.
I don't think the development was not all in vein because like they say, "ya got to learn to walk before you can run".
It goes without saying that the ASP20 is probably one of the finer break-barrels to come to the market. Especially being that it's their first rodeo with air rifles.
If I were a betting man I'd say they will never recoup the total outlay with the sales of the ASP20 to get into the air rifle market.
It's a very good possibility Sig knew this from the get go but are looking long term because of all the pressure that is being put on PB market to tone it down.

[USAFANG6799]

AFAIK ASP20 is also the only fully American made gas piston gun.

However Sig Sauer isn’t an American company. Part of the deal with having won contracts with the US military; the weapons production has to be in the US.

Someone needs to tell the Mods of GTA because it's in the American/U.S. Air Gun Gates.
I don't think you'll convince them to move it to the European/Asian Air Gun Gates though.
I'm pretty sure if I would have originated this post in the European/Asian Air Gun Gates they would have moved it to the American/U.S. Air Gun Gates.

[wimpanzee]

I suspect the ASP20 may not get it's fair shake here.  It is at least 1/3 more powerful than the guns it is normally compared to.  It is a very powerful breakbarrel and could possibly hang with more docile guns in it's accuracy and "shootability".

That is sort of what pushed me to the ASP20. I've tried several crosman and hatsan gas spring guns, and was never happy with any of them. I couldn't afford one of the theoban gas rams. The sig fell right into the "almost magnum" category while providing a very smooth shot cycle. Already having an HW95, I wanted something with a little more oomph. Sig fills that niche.

[Yarddog]

When the ASP20  came out, I had the horns for one, even tho I prefer underlevers. But I wanted the combo with the Whiskey 3 scope. So I waited, cuz it was supposed to come out in early 2019.

I waited through the winter. Then spring came. Then summer.

Then I flashed on the fact that the RWS 460 sported similar ballistics.  And it was an underlever. And PA sold them for $399. So I bought one in .22.

Loved it, and that thing threw pellets on a rope! But, it wasn't particularly pleasant to cock.

Then I did something that will produce shaking heads among the learned souls on the forum...I sent it to Motorhead to make it more likable to cock. It became a 14 FPE rifle, down from the original 21 FPE.

For me, it was the right move. What an outstanding rifle now. I didn't really need that kind of power,  and what I have now exactly fits my needs!

Even so, I'm tempted to pick up the 430L from AOA...but I don't care for the one caliber it comes in. And owners report that it, too, is hard to cock. And what would it do differently than the 460?

So, now I'm waiting to get a Walther LGU Master Pro. That will complete the trifecta along my TX200 and HW97K.

[lefteyeshot]

My son really wants one. And while the few reviews I've seen were favorable... I find the price to be too high for such an ugly rifle...

Agreed. If it's not pleasing to the eye I don't want it.

[Dairyboy]

I have a Sig ASP20 Synthetic .22 and I love the gun! Have put probably 100 pellets through it and it's a sparrows killing machine. If I miss it's me. And it's such a smooth shooting gun for the power it outputs. From what I can tell mine isn't very hold sensitive at all. And doesn't seem pellet picky with the JSB line of pellets. And at my 22yd zero the 16gr 18gr and Hades shoot to the same poi

[USAFANG6799]

I’m not seeing any ASP20 in classifieds so owners must be happy with them.

[Potpie]

I have the Sig in 177 with the whisky 3 scope and I love it. I have many other spring guns an R9, R10, FWB124, 98, 97,and many more. The Sig will out shoot all of them. I have my trigger set down to 1lb,12oz and has a very  nice break I like the trigger and im a trigger snob. Go with the Sig and enjoy.

[Mossonarock]

So, now I'm waiting to get a Walther LGU Master Pro. That will complete the trifecta along my TX200 and HW97K.

That's what's missing from this thread- talk of Walthers. I feel like Walther often gets overlooked in favor of AA or HW.
I recently have had a Terrus in my hands (albeit damaged from shipping) and I have to say I really like the features on the rifle. If a person wanted more power, then the Parrus would be for them. If they wanted top notch features and accuracy the LGU or LGV would be the way to go.

The Terrus is the first air rifle I've had that has a dovetail on the muzzle for the front sight meaning the end consumer can easily replace the front sight with one of their preference. How often do you see that? It means a lot to me since I like shooting with peep sights. Also, the safety is easily resettable which HWs are not. Yeah, here recently I've become a fan of Walthers....

I'd like to see the airgun industry settle on a standard dovetail width for the front sight. That way, its easier for an after-market industry to provide front sights to a wider market and that way we get more choices for how we want to sight our rifles. Even the PB industry has that issue. You've got dovetails that are in-line with the barrel (which I prefer). OTOH, you have dovetails that are perpendicular to the barrel and those can be all kinds of different widths. In-line with the barrel and standard width- that's what I want.

[Jshooter71]

...But of course the Dianas are a class of it's own, I would like to have a Diana Mauser AM03 myself, btw, there was just a video review about it in the AIRGUN IVESTIGATORS Gate. He had there the so called Stealth version that comes with a silencer a 3-9x40 Diana AO Scope and Bullseye mount plus a soft case. AOA has it on sale right now.

I have the AMO3 Stealth in .22. I love it but the FPS is a little low with a 14.66 gr pellet, 670 MV, 579@30 meters... as for the kit, the soft case is useless once a scope is mounted, the case is too small. The scope that came with it is garbage, I can see a ring of daylight around the objective even. The 1” ZR mount is still in the package. I only use 30mm scopes on my rifles. But I like the way I’ve got mine set up now even with the hard case I bought for it. Just wish I could’ve bought the rifle without the kit.
As for the Sig ASP20... I plan on getting the .22 in Beech and the .177 in synthetic.
And actually I plan to get another AMO3 Stealth in .177... 😄

[UlteriorModem]

I have both an ASP20 and a Trail NP2 and to me there is no comparison the Sig wins hands down.

That being said I CAN get parts for the NP2 but not for the ASP20. If the SIG should fail for whatever reason your only recourse is to send it back to SIG.

[USAFANG6799]

I have both an ASP20 and a Trail NP2 and to me, there is no comparison the Sig wins hands down.

That being said I CAN get parts for the NP2 but not for the ASP20. If the SIG should fail for whatever reason your only recourse is to send it back to SIG.

With Sig's 5 year warranty that is what Sig wants people to do.
I also suspect that in 5 years there will be something more tempting to replace the Sig or whoever is the king now.
With the Golden Era of air rifles running on afterburner who knows where this is all going.
 

[mac]

Tom, how does the shot cycle of the Sig compare to the NP2 ? Also, if you had to ship the Sig back for repairs do they pay shipping ?