A Closer Look At Vintage Benjamins



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Re: A Closer Look At Vintage Benjamins
« Reply #120 on: March 04, 2019, 09:11:55 PM »
Yes, all Sheridan air rifles were .20 cal.

Cool to have developed a relationship with a collector that has your same interests.
Well we'll see what happens Steve. He's hinting at selling each as a unit. Can't say I blame him.

He needs to realize that large lots should demand a discount, saw that at the auction I attended last week.  Probably a tuff sell to a serious collector? The auction was an estate, no one to convince.  But then you have to sell what you don’t want.
Even if I had the money I wouldn't buy. The front pump Benji has never appealed to me. Only one I'm interested in with any significance...the No. 300. The one I posted with the blue backdrop looks pretty nice & is on the bay right now. $350...I don't think so.
  • New Mexico
Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Re: A Closer Look At Vintage Benjamins
« Reply #121 on: March 05, 2019, 11:12:02 AM »
I located an earlier 3XXPA, photo below.  It’s Serial is #995702284 (Sept. '95) per gun owner. Gun is currently for sale on Gunbroker (https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/801328551).  This would indicate the change from “P” to “PA” designation occurred during the 1995 model year.
 
So we now have “PA” w/”P” style trigger from 1995 thru 1997.
  • New Mexico
Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Re: A Closer Look At Vintage Benjamins
« Reply #122 on: March 05, 2019, 07:57:57 PM »
Numbers 4,5,6, & 7. Left to right, bottom shelf, first pic.

Top to bottom, second pic.
4- first variant
5- second variant
6- third variant
7- fourth variant

Fourth variant is the model that transitioned into my '42 312's. This is the one I'll be searching for.
  • New Mexico
Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Re: A Closer Look At Vintage Benjamins
« Reply #123 on: March 07, 2019, 11:17:45 AM »
I located an earlier 3XXPA, photo below.  It’s Serial is #995702284 (Sept. '95) per gun owner. Gun is currently for sale on Gunbroker (https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/801328551).  This would indicate the change from “P” to “PA” designation occurred during the 1995 model year.
 
So we now have “PA” w/”P” style trigger from 1995 thru 1997.

Here we go; went back to my files remembering that I asked the owner of that gun for a closeup serial pic; Nov. 1999.

So, the "PA" style trigger first appeared sometime during the '97-'99 model year. More data needed.
This gun confirms the "PA Trigger Pack" was introduced in 1997. The same year the "P" style trigger was phased out.

Went through some old threads & found this quote from "Flint" which pretty much seals the deal;

The trigger change didn't happen until mid 1997, so there are 3 years (mid 94-mid 97) where rifles had the PA stamp but the old style trigger.

so its like this:

91-93 = racine made P
first half of '94 trickling into '95 = NY made P
mid '94, PA stamp starts
mid '95, cartridge valve change
mid '97 trigger changes w/ crossbolt safety
around 2000 the stocks change to look exactly like the sheridan C9A stocks but are still walnut (full length forearm with white spacer butt plate)
a couple years later all the stocks change again so they are super squared off looking and they drop the white spacer, maybe no longer walnut
2005, all stocks change again to current style and definitely no longer walnut

oh, and Rob, the very earliest Racine made guns had very very nice light triggers from the factory (lighter than my rocker sheridans).  My '91 and '92 have sweet triggers.  However, sometime after Crosman took ownership in ;92, they replaced that trigger spring with a much stiffer one.  My '93 had a gnarly trigger pull until I changed that trigger spring that you are talking about.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2019, 04:23:20 PM by Yng@hrt »
  • New Mexico
Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Re: A Closer Look At Vintage Benjamins
« Reply #124 on: March 07, 2019, 03:31:54 PM »
I'm confused on the 392PA model  I don't have one, but I've seen pictures of the 392PA with the short forearm and with the longer tapered forearm. 

Was there both Benjamin/Sheridan and Crosman versions?  With the Crosman one having the longer tapered forearm? And when did the longer tapered forearm first appear?

Here is a quote from "Flint", GTA's authority when it comes to earlier Benjamin's.

...around 2000 the stocks change to look exactly like the sheridan C9A stocks but are still walnut (full length forearm with white spacer butt plate)
a couple years later all the stocks change again so they are super squared off looking and they drop the white spacer, maybe no longer walnut
2005, all stocks change again to current style and definitely no longer walnut
  • New Mexico
Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Re: A Closer Look At Vintage Benjamins
« Reply #125 on: March 07, 2019, 04:18:14 PM »
I'm confused on the 392PA model  I don't have one, but I've seen pictures of the 392PA with the short forearm and with the longer tapered forearm. 

Was there both Benjamin/Sheridan and Crosman versions?  With the Crosman one having the longer tapered forearm? And when did the longer tapered forearm first appear?

Here is a quote from "Flint", GTA's authority when it comes to earlier Benjamin's.

...around 2000 the stocks change to look exactly like the sheridan C9A stocks but are still walnut (full length forearm with white spacer butt plate)
a couple years later all the stocks change again so they are super squared off looking and they drop the white spacer, maybe no longer walnut
2005, all stocks change again to current style and definitely no longer walnut


Marty -

Thanks for the update.   When the white spacer was dropped was the butt plate retained?  And was it on all subsequent models?

Sorry if this is getting into the minutia of it all but I find what your doing fascinating.  Too bad the serial numbers can't be decoded like Mark does with Mopar's on Graveyard Carz  lol

 
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Re: A Closer Look At Vintage Benjamins
« Reply #126 on: March 07, 2019, 04:44:39 PM »
I would like to help Quasar but my focus at the moment is from the front pump model No. 300 (’35-’40 or thereabouts) which morphed into the first under lever pump, thru the last “P” style trigger & the first “PA Trigger Pack” model. I think aside from a few minor details we've pretty much succeeded there. However, there are just a few more models in-between all these that will help tie up any remaining loose ends. No telling how long it will take as one model in particular has been tough to nail down.

Having mumbled all that if anyone can answer your question with regards to when the white spacer was dropped was the butt plate retained  that would be a great addition to this thread.

BTW; I enjoyed decoding First Gen Camaros. A tremendous amount of info could be had. Too bad AG's didn't come with the same type hidden secrets...or did they? ;)

Thanks.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2019, 04:48:53 PM by Yng@hrt »
  • New Mexico
Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Re: A Closer Look At Vintage Benjamins
« Reply #127 on: March 13, 2019, 10:22:52 PM »
I'm pretty excited to have found both these factory peep sight 273's. Both are in exceptional condition. Latest one on the right.

Doc's with regards to size only specifies small, medium, & large. If I were to guess I would say these are small & medium. I think they work exceptionally well on my '42 Benji's. They're rear sights do not adjust for elevation.

If you ever run across one of these & are not interested please let me know.
  • New Mexico
Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Re: A Closer Look At Vintage Benjamins
« Reply #128 on: March 13, 2019, 10:57:50 PM »
You definitely have a knack for finding stuff, Marty!  I think you're probably right about the sizes, that one on the left definitely looks like it would qualify as the small sized one.
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Re: A Closer Look At Vintage Benjamins
« Reply #129 on: March 13, 2019, 11:04:52 PM »
Just need to find the large Randy. ;)

IIRC someone asked (on another thread) about dimensions with regards to the 273. These are about the best I've seen. Maybe they can help someone out.
  • New Mexico
Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Re: A Closer Look At Vintage Benjamins
« Reply #130 on: March 15, 2019, 08:00:54 AM »
At the start of this thread I mentioned early '40's thru '97 would be the focus of this study, however, I think it is equally important to familiarize ourselves with Benjamin's early beginnings so we have a better understanding of not only how Benjamin pneumatics AG's came about, but all AG pneumatics that followed. This would be next to impossible if it wasn't for the incredible painstakingly wealth of information found in Trev's Airgun Scrapbook. The information below is but a small sampling of why this site is such a valuable resource.

I will then show an article from Trev's Airgun Scrapbook in my next post which shows the first under-lever pump design began with Benjamin's air pistol.

Here is a brief look into how the Benjamin Model 300 was developed which ultimately spawned the all new under-lever pump air rifle. The first paragraph is a summary from Trev’s Benjamin doc files. The second paragraph is a direct quote.

The first Benjamin air rifle (Model B) designed by Benjamin had major design flaws, so much so that today’s collectors are warned the breech cap can explode under pressure. Another designer by the name of Wissler corrected the problem with a newly design Model C. It was this model that began the all new Model E that convinced young shooters to purchase the new Benjamin line in essence saving the company. A very similar Model F was made until Wissler’s death in 1926. Around this same time Aloys Spack who worked for Benjamin since 1908 purchased the firm from Wissler. It was also around this time that a new designer by the name of Frank Mihalya joined Spack at Benjamin & designed the Model 600 “Automatic” bb rifle with an inbuilt multi-stroke pump & air reservoir capable of firing multiple shots. This new rifle catapulted Benjamin to the forefront of the competition but faltered because 1931 was a bad year to launch such a product. This forced Spack with the aid of Mihalya to design another single-shot rifle, the Model 300.

“An interesting thing about the old Benjamin rifles is that up until Mihalya came on the scene the muzzle velocity of Wissler designed air rifles depended somewhat on how hard the trigger was pulled. This was because part of the trigger mechanism pushed directly on the gun’s exhaust valve. Mihalya designed the Model 300 valve so it was knocked open by a flying hammer. His ideas have been incorporated in all of Benjamin’s subsequent pneumatic air rifle valve mechanisms, so the Model 300 could be considered “the grandfather” of modern day pneumatic airguns made by Benjamin & its competitors”.
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  • New Mexico
Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Re: A Closer Look At Vintage Benjamins
« Reply #131 on: March 15, 2019, 08:08:42 AM »
Here is the article from Trev's Airgun Scrapbook showing the evolution from a front pump airgun design to the underlever airgun. The first underlever design is quite the contraption...
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  • New Mexico
Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Re: A Closer Look At Vintage Benjamins
« Reply #132 on: March 16, 2019, 04:44:25 PM »
Here's a late model 'checkered' 347 currently on eBay, serial #173667. What's interesting about this one is it has the '82-'86 bolt & the '90 models front sight.

The '90 is a Very late production model with a smooth stock & forearm. It's serial number is 250193. The one above is the latest example to date of a checkered stock & forearm.
  • New Mexico
Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Re: A Closer Look At Vintage Benjamins
« Reply #133 on: March 16, 2019, 07:22:56 PM »
So it seems the search to complete this collection is going in the wrong direction...increasing instead of decreasing. I’m afraid to keep checking auction sites for fear there are even more out there needed to fill in the gaps.

The first one is the Model 300, followed by what appears to be a late 40's or early 50's model with that unique rear sight (still trying to figure where this one fits in), then the first of the smooth stock & forearm 34X, followed by the late model checkered 34X, & finally the first year (’97) ‘PA Trigger Pack’ model. 
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  • New Mexico
Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Re: A Closer Look At Vintage Benjamins
« Reply #134 on: March 16, 2019, 10:08:39 PM »
Fascinating information for us relatively "new" airgunners. Even though I had an airgun as a kid in the 50-60's, I pooh-pooh'ed it when my dad gave me a "real" gun, a .22 single shot rifle and we went squirrel hunting with that. I wish I could remember what type and what happened to that airgun. My newly rediscovered love of airguns had lead me to find some beautiful Sheridan's that will be with me until I can pass them down to my grandson.

Keep up the excellent work and I'll be on the lookout for my next treasure. I'm really liking the tootsie roll versions......

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Re: A Closer Look At Vintage Benjamins
« Reply #135 on: March 17, 2019, 02:50:43 PM »
Thank you Gary. A lot of research but a great way to pass the time.

Easy to see why a Benji tootsie is on your radar.  ;)
  • New Mexico
Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Re: A Closer Look At Vintage Benjamins
« Reply #136 on: March 18, 2019, 08:34:47 PM »
You don't know how tough it is for me to let this one go. If it was one year younger I'd be all over it!!!

On the bay right now...

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  • New Mexico
Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Re: A Closer Look At Vintage Benjamins
« Reply #137 on: March 18, 2019, 10:26:38 PM »
You don't know how tough it is for me to let this one go. If it was one year younger I'd be all over it!!!

On the bay right now...

Marty...I just checked it out on e-bay.     What year was that one ...do you know ?   

It must be somewhat newer, it has the safety in the trigger guard.


Best Wishes - Tom

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Re: A Closer Look At Vintage Benjamins
« Reply #138 on: March 18, 2019, 10:52:16 PM »
You don't know how tough it is for me to let this one go. If it was one year younger I'd be all over it!!!

On the bay right now...

Marty...I just checked it out on e-bay.     What year was that one ...do you know ?   

It must be somewhat newer, it has the safety in the trigger guard.


Best Wishes - Tom
Hey Tom...the serial number is hard to make out but the first few numbers are; 79870XXXX which makes it July '98. If you recall the "P" trigger group was phased out in '97 & the "PA" trigger pack phased in that same year, so this one doesn't make the cut.

I posted pix of the two. Can you tell me what the differences are? ;)
 
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Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Re: A Closer Look At Vintage Benjamins
« Reply #139 on: March 21, 2019, 03:16:41 PM »
I'm pretty excited to have found both these factory peep sight 273's. Both are in exceptional condition. Latest one on the right.

Doc's with regards to size only specifies small, medium, & large. If I were to guess I would say these are small & medium. I think they work exceptionally well on my '42 Benji's. They're rear sights do not adjust for elevation.

If you ever run across one of these & are not interested please let me know.
Totally pumped...just located two more originals.
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Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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