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Re: What Am I Missing Here?
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2019, 05:14:14 PM »
Not a Benjamin or Crosman, but howabout this one?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DAISY-BB-GUN-1889-FIRST-MODEL-4th-VARIATION-RARE-ANTIQUE-AIR-RIFLE/352197114168?epid=24007524289&hash=item5200957938:g:vv8AAOSwxIRZ6MzH:sc:USPSPriority!29670!US!-1:rk:1:pf:1&frcectupt=true

Claims to be book value and if it is as rare as he says, I guess someone might do it. Nobody has yet and I think it's been up since October 2017, judging by a note at the end of the page.

When I first saw the listing a few months ago, I realized there was a guy in the Pyramyd Air Backyard Brawl that had shot one of these. Then he applied some secret sauce and turned it into a kick-butt modern springer. Cute video.


Interesting, but not enough swamp juice for my taste.
That's hilarious! I can make one with the &^^& I through away. I've seen those baling wire guns priced like that all the time. None of them ever sell. The only way I would buy one is if I found it cheap & unload it the next day to some nut who would pay 1/2 that.
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Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
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Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Re: What Am I Missing Here?
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2019, 05:21:24 PM »
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Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Re: What Am I Missing Here?
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2019, 07:17:16 PM »
I know where there are a couple of old Crosmans for around 80 bucks. I'm gonna pick one up, hold it by the muzzle end and smack it against a tree, lay it out in the street to get run over a few times, brush paint it black, scrape some off with a dull chisel, soak it in slimy green pond water, alternate between a salt bath and blazing sun, then list it on ebay for about ten times what I paid for it.

If I add the words AS-IS, I can make it 20 times more.


or.......

I could buy a brand new Daisy 880, take it all apart, take a pic of each and every tiny little part on the same paper towel background and list each and every tiny little part on ebay for 10 times what Daisy sells them for.

I could do all of the above, but there is already too much competition doing the same thing.
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Re: What Am I Missing Here?
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2019, 09:56:27 PM »
^^^Man that is brilliant. You've got these clowns figured to a T. ;)
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Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Re: What Am I Missing Here?
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2019, 06:42:47 PM »
I know where there are a couple of old Crosmans for around 80 bucks. I'm gonna pick one up, hold it by the muzzle end and smack it against a tree, lay it out in the street to get run over a few times, brush paint it black, scrape some off with a dull chisel, soak it in slimy green pond water, alternate between a salt bath and blazing sun, then list it on ebay for about ten times what I paid for it.

If I add the words AS-IS, I can make it 20 times more.


or.......

I could buy a brand new Daisy 880, take it all apart, take a pic of each and every tiny little part on the same paper towel background and list each and every tiny little part on ebay for 10 times what Daisy sells them for.

I could do all of the above, but there is already too much competition doing the same thing.
It's not the sellers driving the prices up..... it's the buyers paying the stupid prices.
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Re: What Am I Missing Here?
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2019, 07:59:31 PM »
I never thought I'd see the day when a Daisy would out price a SuperGrade.
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Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Re: What Am I Missing Here?
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2019, 10:06:02 PM »
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I checked both bidders history

After 20+ years on ebay, I didn't know you could do that. All it shows though is the categories.

I hate to say to but now I'm finding some sort of sick entertainment value out of this.

Must be because it's snowing outside.

And my stomach hurts.

Or something.

I'd like to know how Marty is doing it these days? ;D, AFAIK a few years back Ebay began to hide the bidders real name,  Ebay also began hiding bidding history on the feedback, they only show a few "view item" transactions now (Last 6 months),  previously you could see pages long going back years. useful to avoid shady sellers....
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Re: What Am I Missing Here?
« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2019, 10:26:00 PM »
Nothing complicated. If I see something I like & the price is fair I wait until the final clicks of the clock to make my appearance. The other guys are so busy paying attention to each other they never knew what hit them.

KIM a "Fair Price" must also give you some cushion for a max bid in case someone is quick with the keyboard so they have to enter the amount twice. Ain't going to happen with 10 seconds left... ;D ;D ;D
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Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Re: What Am I Missing Here?
« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2019, 10:37:14 PM »
Nothing complicated. If I see something I like & the price is fair I wait until the final clicks of the clock to make my appearance. The other guys are so busy paying attention to each other they never knew what hit them.

KIM a "Fair Price" must also give you some cushion for a max bid in case someone is quick with the keyboard so they have to enter the amount twice. Ain't going to happen with 10 seconds left... ;D ;D ;D

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Re: What Am I Missing Here?
« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2019, 10:44:56 PM »
Or a predator... ;)

Learned the hard way. Missed out on a REAL nice Benji because I gave the guy 5 seconds too many.
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Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Re: What Am I Missing Here?
« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2019, 10:51:43 PM »
Nothing complicated. If I see something I like & the price is fair I wait until the final clicks of the clock to make my appearance. The other guys are so busy paying attention to each other they never knew what hit them.

KIM a "Fair Price" must also give you some cushion for a max bid in case someone is quick with the keyboard so they have to enter the amount twice. Ain't going to happen with 10 seconds left... ;D ;D ;D

I do the same, but even wait until the last 5 seconds, is called 'Sniping', used to have software that bid automatically in the last 2 seconds, not sure if they have any now, but after Ebay changed the way we can review feedback history of the other bidders in a particular auction, it became more difficult to find a "fair price" ..
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Sheridan Blue Streak-Pumper- 1969

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Re: What Am I Missing Here?
« Reply #34 on: February 19, 2019, 10:58:12 PM »
So that was you? :D >:( ;)

5 seconds is even better. What I meant by a fair price is where the bidding amount stands towards the end of the bidding given the condition of the gun, box/no box, docs/no docs.
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Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Re: What Am I Missing Here?
« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2019, 11:18:03 PM »
So that was you? :D >:( ;)

5 seconds is even better. What I meant by a fair price is where the bidding amount stands towards the end of the bidding given the condition of the gun, box/no box, docs/no docs.

No, it wasn't me!! ;D... Yes, the "Fair' price should be the max you are willing to pay after you do your homework...  :D
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Crosman 140 pumper (fourth variant)
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Crosman 1400 Pumper (refurbishing)
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Sheridan Blue Streak-Pumper- 1969

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Re: What Am I Missing Here?
« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2019, 07:50:14 AM »
I know where there are a couple of old Crosmans for around 80 bucks. I'm gonna pick one up, hold it by the muzzle end and smack it against a tree, lay it out in the street to get run over a few times, brush paint it black, scrape some off with a dull chisel, soak it in slimy green pond water, alternate between a salt bath and blazing sun, then list it on ebay for about ten times what I paid for it.

If I add the words AS-IS, I can make it 20 times more.


or.......

I could buy a brand new Daisy 880, take it all apart, take a pic of each and every tiny little part on the same paper towel background and list each and every tiny little part on ebay for 10 times what Daisy sells them for.

I could do all of the above, but there is already too much competition doing the same thing.
It's not the sellers driving the prices up..... it's the buyers paying the stupid prices.
You've been at this hobby a long time Bill & I'm curious what you believe would be a fair price for a nice vintage Benji in today's market? Say for a 34X or a 39X? Either from a member or on eBay?
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Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Re: What Am I Missing Here?
« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2019, 07:58:38 AM »
Marty I still can't get over how nice the bobcat stock is, you sure did a fantastic job on that!  I'm seeing some deals on ebay that I'm just watching, if there's one that looks like a great deal just before the ending of the bid I'll attempt a last minute bid and see what happens.  The only bad part of that is usually the top bidder will have a highest bid in already and the trick is getting a good idea(hunch)of what his top bid might be. 8)
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Re: What Am I Missing Here?
« Reply #38 on: February 20, 2019, 08:08:50 AM »
Thank you Wayne for the carving compliment.
 
Trying to figure out the top bidders max bid is certainly a factor. The only thing I can do there is view the bidding history to see if guys are nickel & diming it or if the winning bidder has his name stacked. If itís nickel & dime (bidder names changing constantly) I know my chances are pretty good. Not so good if the same bidders name shows up on consecutive bids (stacked). In either case I place my max bid & hope for the best. ;)
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Benji's;
2-Prewar '42 312's, '68 312, '69 347, '82-'86 342 (checkered), '90 342 (non checkered), 2-'91 S392P's, '93 S397P, '93 397P, '95 S397P, '96 392PA (w/"P" trigger group), & a '53 137 pistol.
Dan's;
Several Vintage Silver & Blue Streaks, H9 & H9A, including a '69 Silver w/factory Williams.
Daisy's;
Most notable- 2-Model 21's, 882 w/factory Williams, 2-Golden Boys & 4 Golden Spikes, Christmas Dream 20,25,30,35, Model 1894's; RME, Win, Spittin Image, Limited Edition, 2-BBS, 2-NRA, Wells Fargo, Sealed Box 1894, 880's; 20th Anniv, Silver Anniv, Eldorado, & '71 model. Red Ryder signed by David Sanders, & 2 Pony Express.
Crosman;
'49 101
Favorite everyday backyard plinker '71 880. Easy to pump & the sweetest modified trigger.

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Re: What Am I Missing Here?
« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2019, 08:27:40 AM »
I know where there are a couple of old Crosmans for around 80 bucks. I'm gonna pick one up, hold it by the muzzle end and smack it against a tree, lay it out in the street to get run over a few times, brush paint it black, scrape some off with a dull chisel, soak it in slimy green pond water, alternate between a salt bath and blazing sun, then list it on ebay for about ten times what I paid for it.

If I add the words AS-IS, I can make it 20 times more.


or.......

I could buy a brand new Daisy 880, take it all apart, take a pic of each and every tiny little part on the same paper towel background and list each and every tiny little part on ebay for 10 times what Daisy sells them for.

I could do all of the above, but there is already too much competition doing the same thing.
It's not the sellers driving the prices up..... it's the buyers paying the stupid prices.
You've been at this hobby a long time Bill & I'm curious what you believe would be a fair price for a nice vintage Benji in today's market? Say for a 34X or a 39X? Either from a member or on eBay?
Of course, a "fair price" is based on an individual's desire to own an item. You may be motivated more than I am. You may also be better equipped to pay more.
Personally? I would pay around $150 for a nice checkered 342 and shoot it , at least, weekly. I would pay no more than $250 for a minty one in a box with all the whistles and bells and shoot it occasionally.
Now you know why I don't, and won't own either.
Then again, this is coming from a guy that wouldn't trade my Sam Yang Sumatra 2500 carbine for a SuperGrade.
Different strokes, I reckon.
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