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Shortie springers.
« on: February 09, 2019, 09:13:56 PM »
So im on a hunt. Wondering if there are any manufacturers that make a decent powered break barrel rifle thats shorter than your average. Maybe 3ft long, .22 and over 15fpe?
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Re: Shortie springers.
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2019, 10:02:13 PM »
You may want to rethink your idea.  A shorter barrel will be harder to cock.  I just measured my Diana 34 Meisterschutze - it's 42 inches overall.  That includes an eight inch muzzle break.  I have no idea the actual length of the muzzle break but do know that I'd not care to cock the gun without it.  I believe this is the carbine version by the way.
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Re: Shortie springers.
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2019, 10:37:50 PM »
Yeah, you better eat up on your spinach.
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Re: Shortie springers.
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2019, 10:52:01 PM »
Maybe the power im asking is too much lol. But i do understand the extra cocking effort. Between the Trevox pistol and NP Fire rifle i own, i was currious if there is a medium between the two in size and maybe (i guess not) good "non youth" power to it.


Regardless of power i guess, the question remains if there is a somewhat "shortie" rifle.
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Re: Shortie springers.
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2019, 11:00:34 PM »
The early style BSA Supersport Lightning air rifles are 38" long, but won't do 15 fpe.

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Re: Shortie springers.
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2019, 11:19:33 PM »
A few months ago I bought a vintage R1 that had a barrel hacked off to 13". Man, that was a tough gun to cock! When one became available,  I put a stock length. ..19 3/4"...barrel on it. It went from a two armed operation to a very manageable one handed cocker!  So I'll co-sign those who comment about how a short barrel complicates things!
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Re: Shortie springers.
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2019, 11:23:50 PM »
How about an experiment?  Measure from the butt of your NP gun about 36" forward and put some tape (or rubber band or string) there.  Place your hand on the marker.  That's your new short barrel.  Cock it.  You'll know right off if it's something you want to do.
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Re: Shortie springers.
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2019, 11:32:11 PM »
Just throwing this out there and don't know how feasible it is, but could you carbine-up a .22 pistol with that power? Don't know what's out there as far as .22 pistols to use as a base model (Benji NP?).

You'd have to cowboy the stock as well.

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Re: Shortie springers.
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2019, 12:16:18 AM »
Ok... off topic...


Anyone seen a break barrel rifle with a magazine?!?

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Re: Shortie springers.
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2019, 12:29:42 AM »
Yep...Gamo, Hatsan has one called the Speedfire, Benjamin has that one coming...multishot break barrels seem to be a growing thing.

The Hatsan Edge James posted above measures 43 inches (I own 4) but if you were to take the wannabe muzzle break off, the barrel ends about an inch and a half before the end of it so you'd end up with about a 41 1/2 inch or so rifle that shoots about 18 fpe or so in .22.
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Re: Shortie springers.
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2019, 12:59:30 AM »
R9 / HW95 is about as compact as you are going to get at 15 ft.lb in .22.  That is 42" long, but has such good balance that it feels shorter.

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Re: Shortie springers.
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2019, 01:19:46 AM »
You can look for a Webley Longbow, Webley Stingray/Exocet carbine, Beeman C1, BSA Lightning or BSA XL Tactical. They are sub 40" in length and will be close to if not just at 15 fpe in .22 cal. They are hard to come by though.
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Re: Shortie springers.
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2019, 07:56:51 AM »
Assuming you was a Springer for ease of operation and no extra "hardware" to tote along.
And a Carbine shortie for tight spaces / Woods waling... maybe a small framed shooter.

But does it need to be a Break barrel.... What about a side lever?
My QB58 would be right at 38" if you chopped and recrowned the barrel right at the muzzle brake (you could go shorter). That way you'd still have all the leverage to cock it.



 Then there's the Bullpup version of it, the QB57 that is also a "Take down" (two piece) rifle that measures 31" in full length.


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Re: Shortie springers.
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2019, 08:23:07 AM »
Or.... you could do this....
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=98794.msg931588#msg931588
That's a 6" barrel and a chopped spring. The muzzle break lessons the cocking effort. If you look back in the thread, it shoots 608 to 620ish with the 9.8gr .177 Winnie Domes. That's just over 8 fpe. Plenty for backyard pesting.
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Re: Shortie springers.
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2019, 10:39:13 AM »
Here's a picture of a Ruger (xs-25) that I converted to .22 and cut 5" off the barrel. I also cut about 2" off the back of the stock but needed to gain an inch back so I put the limb saver on.

Measures just over 38" and shoots H&N FTT 14.66 grain at just over 600 FPS for 12 FPE. 

This makes it an AWESOME bunny in the brush bustin' carbine!

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Re: Shortie springers.
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2019, 10:54:30 AM »
Here's a crosman storm xt that I chopped.
The barrel Is 9" and then the muzzle brake adds about 2"  for a total length of 36" ..
It still manages 11.5 fpe in .177 with a 10 grain pellet.
 I think it would be better with another 2" of barrel and in .22 cal. Simply because it has a harsh shot cycle .
It is tuff to cock but I still cock it with one hand on the stock and the other on the muzzle brake..
doesn't require two hands on the barrel..
And I'm not a big burly man either
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Re: Shortie springers.
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2019, 11:27:11 AM »
Hatsan 1000s stryker chopped and set in a Webley VMX stock.
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Re: Shortie springers.
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2019, 04:11:28 PM »
Hatsan 1000s stryker chopped and set in a Webley VMX stock.

What kinda power does that one produce?
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Re: Shortie springers.
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2019, 07:05:38 PM »
You know, I have not even checked that one yet. The barrel is longer than the FireCat by at least a couple inches so it may do a bit better. I'll get some numbers if i ever get through some of these other projects.
That guns spends alot of time strapped on the 4-wheeler for snakes around the swamp pond and such.
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Favorite Everyday Shooters:
Sam Yang Sumatra 2500 carbine .25
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AirMax Plinkster .177
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CP2 w/ .177 Varmint long barrel
XS-60C GenI .22
2-22XX Carbine HPA .177
2240 Stubby .22
Blaze NP .177
3-M/M Daisy 881
2-Mendoza RM377 .177
2-XS-12 .177
1-Hatsan 1000x .177 Carbine (Pvt. Stryker)
Various Others

AirMax Extreme MKII 4500 (for the tanks)
Vevor Basic. (for the road)
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