Refurbed Hatsan 95 by HatsanUsa



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Re: Refurbed Hatsan 95 by HatsanUsa
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2019, 01:21:36 PM »
Yeah Guys,
If I was to get another Hatsan 95, it would most likely be a .177 caliber, de-tuned (heat spring a compress a few coils) until it shot around 850 fps.  If I was to hunt again, it would be a de-tuned .22 caliber so that it shot about 725 fps.
.25 caliber is just too much for this rifle, I even thought my Hatsan 135 in .25 caliber was under powered.
Obviously, the people at Hatsan disagree as the 135 comes in .30 caliber now?

Tuning the Quattro trigger for a lighter pull very important too ... for best accuracy.

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Re: Refurbed Hatsan 95 by HatsanUsa
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2019, 06:52:54 PM »
Well guys I made up my mind. I am going to go for the .22 caliber hatsan 95. I would pick it up right now, but I am running a little low on cash so I have to wait for my next paycheck to come in (next week). :(. I am definitely going to pick it up and will probably tune it myself after 1,000 shots or so. I am now really looking forward to getting this rifle.
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Re: Refurbed Hatsan 95 by HatsanUsa
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2019, 09:38:21 PM »
The quantities available on the Hatsan refurb site vary a lot and can change quickly. Hope one sticks around for you.
I've received email notices on newly refurbed Edges (I think 5 available last time?) which were ALL gone by the time I got home and logged online about 2 hours later!
Was passing over about a dozen refurb Mod87QE .22s that were stagnant for well over a month. Then there was a GTA Bargain Gate notice and a Holiday shipping special and they were all gone in a week.  :-[ Yeah, I'm guilty on one of those  :-[

To be clear, you are looking at the Mod95 .22 refurb for $99 (+$10 S&H) which is the spring version with no scope and no QE moderator.

If you wait and lose the one direct from Hatsan, I suggest you watch Field Supply closely for any new Hatsan or Refurb sales. Sometime FS will have the same price (or lower) w/free shipping.
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Re: Refurbed Hatsan 95 by HatsanUsa
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2019, 09:45:22 PM »
Yes that is the one that I am looking at. The refurb for 99 dollars with no scope (I have one) and correct it is the springer. I wish I had the money because it will just be my luck when I get the money the .22 will be gone. (crossed fingers hope not.) Yea I have been watching field supply very closely and have not seen them drop below the 141(springer combo) or the 129 (refurb vortex.) I am not really sure I want to go with a gas piston yet, as I would like something I could tune myself a little easier. I really hope that ONE .22 springer stays in stock. I will keep you guys updated on when I buy the gun.
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Re: Refurbed Hatsan 95 by HatsanUsa
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2019, 10:52:25 PM »
Since I already have a break barrel in .177 would you recommend going with the same caliber(.177) or would you guys go with a .22. I seriously am thinking about pulling the trigger on this really quickly. Is the .22 going to give better accuracy?

Can't really say which one will be more accurate for you as too many outside factors are involved.

If you are only going to punch paper and shoot small pest birds, the 177 and its flatter trajectory works fine.

If you plan to hunt squirrel and rabbit size game, I'd go with the 22. As previously stated, the power plant of this rifle really does well with the 22 barrel and pellet weights. The 22 pellet trajectory is a bit more "loopy" at long range, but will usually drift less in light wind. Pellet cost and variety is almostt the same as the 177, so there is no downside here.

IMHO the power is on the lighter end for the 25 caliber. Pellet variety, cost, and range limit the usefulness of the 25. If I wanted a short range (20yds max) THUMPER to put the HURT on rats, the 25 version could be a winner.

I have the 95, an 87 QE Vortex, 2 Edges, one spring, one Vortex and a 1000X that started life as a Vortex and is now a springer, all of them in .25 and every one of them will easily thump pests out to the 30 yards or so I shoot and very accurately and that's with both JSB King 25.39's and H&N Crow Magnum 26.23gr so they aren't a 20 yard max rifle, at least not to me.
The 95 was my first rifle getting back into air guns and was bought to quietly take out a raccoon wandering my father's backyard which it did and very well with one of those Crow Magnums. I've also done it with the Edge .25 Vortex and those same Crow Magnums.
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Re: Refurbed Hatsan 95 by HatsanUsa
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2019, 11:21:28 PM »
While we are talking about the .22 caliber hatsan 95 I am wondering if any of you guys have a favorite pellet of choice for this rifle. I am going to pick up a tin of crosman premier hollow points from Walmart and shoot those first, but after that what would you guys try. I have heard good things about the H&N field target trophies are pretty good in .22. I have them for my .177 and they give me dimes all day. Some tips would be helpful. Thank You guys sooo very much for the help and advice.
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Re: Refurbed Hatsan 95 by HatsanUsa
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2019, 11:51:04 PM »
In no particular order, the H&N FTT, RWS Superdomes, JSB 15.89 and 18.1 and although they're just rebranded FTT's, the Hatsan Vortex pellets which do shoot a little better than the FTT's even though they are FTT's...lol
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Re: Refurbed Hatsan 95 by HatsanUsa
« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2019, 10:13:00 AM »
As SteveP-52 pointed out, I was seriously under-estimating the useful impact range of the 25 caliber. Ballistic tables will confirm that at ~24 fpe muzzle energy, the 25 will carry a lot more of that energy out to the target.

For pesting that means the 25 will provide a much larger meat-slap than the 22 out to 50+ yards for the rifles listed. Attention to trajectory compensation (holdover) is more important for the 25, but the higher fpe potential on target is worth the effort.

I have an Edge and a StrikerW in 25 cal and like them both. My limited 20 yard estimate is based more on the use of open sights (my limitations) than the rifles actual capabilities.

Having said all that, I still prefer the 25 cal with a little more energy. IMHO the 25 really starts to "shine" over 30 fpe in rifles like the Mod125 (~34fpe). The flatter trajectory and energy on target (loud meat-slap) from the Mod125 surprises me every time.

The trajectory of the Mod125 ~34fpe 25 and Mod95 ~21fpe 22 are pretty close out to ~70 yards. That means I can be lazy with with holdover calculations and shoot them both the same way.

The selection (variety) and availability of 25 pellets is still less than the 22s. My local stores don't currently stock 25s so they are all acquired online. Cost for 25 pellets (for me) are typically 2x-4x more than 22's. None of these issues should stop you from getting a 25, but you should know about them before making that choice.

Still hoping the refurb Mod95 22 waits for you :)
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Re: Refurbed Hatsan 95 by HatsanUsa
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2019, 01:13:51 AM »
Well I was able to pick up the Hatsan mod95 in .22 caliber. I scrounged around for money and was able to come up with the amount that I needed. I guess you could call it an addiction to air guns. Do any of you guys know where hatsanusa ships from? Thank you guys once again for all the help and support. I will definitely keep you guys posted on when I get it and how accurate it is of course.
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Re: Refurbed Hatsan 95 by HatsanUsa
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2019, 02:22:18 AM »
They're in Bentonville, Arkansas. Shouldn't take but a few days..last refurb I ordered got to just north of Buffalo, NY where I live in 3 days.
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Re: Refurbed Hatsan 95 by HatsanUsa
« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2019, 02:54:38 PM »
After waiting 2 days. I open the box and receive a hatsan proxima in .177 caliber instead of my Mod 95 in .22. I tried to contact hatsanusa and to no avail. What would you guys do?
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Re: Refurbed Hatsan 95 by HatsanUsa
« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2019, 04:27:44 PM »
After waiting 2 days. I open the box and receive a hatsan proxima in .177 caliber instead of my Mod 95 in .22. I tried to contact hatsanusa and to no avail. What would you guys do?

The promixa is worth more than the mod 95, you could sell it on the GTA member classifieds and order another mod 95.
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Re: Refurbed Hatsan 95 by HatsanUsa
« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2019, 04:35:38 PM »
I think the recent website re-do for Hatsan USA may have really messed up their refurb/closeout inventory system. Not sure if their site crashed and needed to be rebuilt or they rebuilt it just to shake things up. Whatever the reason, the site was messed up for a few days AND IMHO it is now LESS user friendly than it was before. It's seems like they either have a newbie website designer or they asked Microsoft to make the up(down)grades for them  ;P

If I were in your place, I would shoot the rifle for a few days to see if I liked it before asking to return it. I think price-wise you got a much better deal and it "may" be worth keeping IF you really like the performance, look, and feel EVEN THOUGH it is not what you originally wanted.

Is the Turkish Walnut stock nice?
Does it shoot well?
Do you like the way it looks and feels?

The power rating is a bit lower than the Mod95 so also keep that in mind when you make your decision. There are good reasons to send it back and it should be all their cost as it IS their error.  If for ANY reason you don't want to keep it, fill out the form on the Hatsan website (hope that still works) and wait patiently for a response. Last time I used the form I got a good response in 3 days.

The Proxima looks nice to me and I might be tempted to keep it for myself even though the power is a little lower than the Mod95. Under-levers (fixed barrels) "tend" to be more accurate all other things being equal. I initially thought the sliding barrel design of the Torpedo series under-lever was crazy and avoided them for a long time. Then I finally caved and got a bargain refurb Torpedo. Boy was I WRONG to make any assumptions about this platform before actually shooting one. NOW  I am a FAN of the Torpedo series and watch for more refurb/closeout bargains daily
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Re: Refurbed Hatsan 95 by HatsanUsa
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2019, 06:03:36 PM »
Agreed,
FIRST...notify them this is neither your requested gun nor caliber they sent you
Shoot the Proxima and see if you like it.
 If you don't like it in ANY way, get a REFUND... not an exchange... and walk away from Hatsan.... I did and will never buy another.
That is the only way they will learn this "practice" is unacceptable.
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Re: Refurbed Hatsan 95 by HatsanUsa
« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2019, 10:40:58 PM »
I have decided what to do. I called Hatsan and I also filled out their form. I am going to wait until Monday (3 full business days) before I call it mine. I have only shot it 2 times to see how I would like it and to see how quiet it was. Letís first start off to say that I love the stock. When I opened the box and saw that Turkish walnut my mouth just stood open until I realized it was the wrong gun. The gun is very heavy, but I think I could get over that very quickly. The ergonomic thumbhole stock is also well made and fits my hands beautifully. The gun is very hard to cock, but I do know that they need to break in. As for accuracy I donít know and I will update you guys later on if I keep the gun or not. Right now I am going to ask if I can keep the gun just because of how much I like it. I only have one other rifle and it is a 90 dollar walmart gun and I think this will be a great addition to my new collection of air guns. I was really hoping that the mod 95 was in .22 and was a little upset that this gun was in .177. Now thinking about it I am not really upset anymore because of my massive collection of .177 pellets. I would be happy with this caliber if I get to keep it   (pssst.... because it gives me a reason to buy another gun. :P)

If you guys would like to see pictures of anything just ask. I got a gun just lying around in wait if something.
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Re: Refurbed Hatsan 95 by HatsanUsa
« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2019, 11:04:42 PM »
I wasn't familiar with that gun so I looked it up.  I'm surprised that a Hatsan .177 is rated at only 820 fps, or is that a Pyramidair misprint?

If you can keep that gun at the price of the 95 you ordered, you sure won't lose money if you ever sell it.  Good luck!
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Re: Refurbed Hatsan 95 by HatsanUsa
« Reply #36 on: February 07, 2019, 11:16:05 PM »
I wasn't familiar with that gun so I looked it up.  I'm surprised that a Hatsan .177 is rated at only 820 fps, or is that a Pyramidair misprint?

If you can keep that gun at the price of the 95 you ordered, you sure won't lose money if you ever sell it.  Good luck!

Not sure why, but the advertised FPS ratings for the Proxima are a bit lower than the ones for the break barrels and even a refurbed Proxima for $100?? Definite steal as long as you like the rifle, it shoots well and is accurate.
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Re: Refurbed Hatsan 95 by HatsanUsa
« Reply #37 on: February 07, 2019, 11:28:37 PM »
Do you any of you guys have any experience with this gun accuracy wise? p-52 you mentioned that they are accurate, how accurate are we talking? More accurate than a break barrel? If so I might just keep it.
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Re: Refurbed Hatsan 95 by HatsanUsa
« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2019, 12:34:00 AM »
...(pssst.... because it gives me a reason to buy another gun. :P)...

So sorry you have been introduced to the beast which must be fed...

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=95142.0

Most under-levers have a fixed barrel (NO barrel movement, except theTorpedo series) which means they have the potential to be more accurate than an equivalent break-barrel rifle. There are several factors which can negate this advantage so the best way to find out if your specific Proxima is more-or-less accurate than your Gamo is to shoot-away.

The Proxima has a powerplant design (sliding compression chamber) very similar to the Dominator Carbine series and identically rated power levels seem to confirm that. Another possible bonus is the Vortex gas spring which can be "tuned" with the relatively inexpensive PCP fitting and PCP hand pump which your new ADDICTION will DEMAND you get sooner or later.

Diagrams help.

https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/PROXIMA_Exploded_View.pdf
https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/DOMINATOR_200S_Carbine-exploded_view-June2013.pdf

If this were my situation, I'd spend the weekend putting several hundred pellets through the Proxima with open sights (my preference). If it shoots as good as it looks, I'd keep it.
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Re: Refurbed Hatsan 95 by HatsanUsa
« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2019, 01:33:18 AM »
Do you any of you guys have any experience with this gun accuracy wise? p-52 you mentioned that they are accurate, how accurate are we talking? More accurate than a break barrel? If so I might just keep it.

I don't personally own one so I can't speak for the accuracy part other than if if meets what you're looking for in the accuracy department, you might consider keeping it. Fellow GTA member lefteyeshot owns one and if memory serves, spoke pretty highly of the rifle so maybe he'll see this and chime in about his.

Personally, shoot the daylights out of it until HatsanUSA finally replies, get a better feel for the rifle and how well or not well it will shoot for you, then decide whether you want them to take it back or not. They screwed up, at least have some fun with it for a few days...lol
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Norica Dead Eye GRS .22
Hatsans:
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