Hatsan 130s and zero



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Hatsan 130s and zero
« on: January 27, 2019, 06:31:11 PM »
Finally was able to get out and attempt to zero this rifle.  At 25 yards the pellets seem to be all over the place.  At 10 yards they are within 3 inches, can be better and working on it.

At 10 yards I'm using my arm as the support on the table.  At 25 yards the rifle is resting on a padded support with me holding the stock.  Could very easily be the two different holds.

Either way, before cleaning the barrel the FPS was all over the place.  Anywhere from 635 tp 771.  Figured 771 out of a rifle rated for 590 at the factory I was lucky.  Apparently too much oil in the barrel.  After cleaning a 25 shot strong was between 541 and 554.  I'm using the heavier JSB's as they were the only ones left when I order the rifle on a Black Friday sale. $200 for the rifle.  I have about 100 pellets through it now.  Even after the cleaning I still could not get a consistent 25 yard group.  According to the Hawke ballistics calculator I should be within 1 inch of POA to POI.  Really hoping it is the hols and will try again next weekend weather permitting.

On another note I had to rezero the Benjamin Trail NP2.  10 yards and 25 yards both spot on.  So I know I can do, maybe just a matter of getting use to the rifle.

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Re: Hatsan 130s and zero
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2019, 09:31:10 AM »
I'd say it definitely is a matter of getting used to the rifle. I have one too in .30 cal. Its very challenging for me to hit a 1 inch spinner at 30 yards. The rifle bucks like a mule during the shooting cycle but is otherwise respectably accurate. If you are using a scope, the scope needs to be robust to hold zero. I've been shooting mine open sights only for that reason. I plan to eventually get a scope though since that would make it easier to do 50+ yard shots.
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Re: Hatsan 130s and zero
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2019, 09:57:31 PM »
That it does.  Saw a guy on YouTube, Tang and Bang I believe. Anyway after getting it sighted in he filmed his daughter shooting at a golf ball at 100 yards.  She hit it after 4 shots.  Similar rifle, wood stock instead of the synthetic.  Had my mind made up before seeing that, it just convinced me more.

Thanks for the advice about getting used to it.  That is what I'm hoping.
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Re: Hatsan 130s and zero
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2019, 09:12:44 AM »
I saw that video too. They had a nicer rest to shoot from than I do. I'm just using a folded towel on a log.
I'm sure if I had a better rest I could shoot more accurately. A decent scope would help at longer ranges.
As it is, I won't even attempt 100 yard shots.

As with all break barrels, make sure your barrel pivot stays tight enough.
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Re: Hatsan 130s and zero
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2019, 11:10:28 AM »
Finally got out again to try and zero this thing.  Still not sure if it is me, the scope or the barrel.  Even after about 300 pellets still could not get any consistency out of it.  I'd get a few pellets to hit nice and tight then they would start going all over the place, even at 10 yards.

Used a laser bore sighted and the dot and crosshairs are off by only a few inches but the pellets are no where near the dot or cross hairs.  Even without changing anything the pellets do not seem to group either.

I'm using JSB Match Diablo, 50.15gr .  This was the only pellet in stock at the time I purchased the rifle. The scope is tight in the rings, the rail is tight and locked in.  The pivot screw is tight.  No barrel wobble that I can tell.  I have tried off a regular rifle rest, a back pack, free hand standing, sitting with elbows on the knee and using a pair of dowel rods as a bipod.  Nothing consistent.

I'm going to try a mounted laser of some kind whether scope mounted or barrel mounted and see if I can get some consistency without having to look through the scope.

My NP2 Trail shoots great.  In fact the scope on the .30 was on the .22 .  The scope on the .22 I tried on the .30 but could not get it sighted in so I swapped.  The scope on the .30 was dead on target out 50 yards on the .22 .  Hated to take it off the .22 because of it's accuracy but needed to try it.

Will be getting some lighter pellets to see if that works.  I'am getting between 541 and 548 FPS with the JSB's.
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Re: Hatsan 130s and zero
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2019, 02:20:34 PM »
Sounds like a wandering scope-tube problem. Have you tried just using the open sights?

I know it's not the same rifle and you may well have a real problem, but this might be helpful regardless.

I shot my Hatsan Mod125 spring .25 last night after several months of shooting mostly lower power springers. I don't have it scoped because I was pretty certain this monster would DESTROY any scope I had at that time.

The open sights were dialed in at 30' when I put it away and I assumed they would still be on target. The first 10 shots grouped 3" (THREE INCHES) at 30'. WOW, that's BAD! Then I remembered this particular rifle liked the left hand on the fore grip balance point and an EXTRA lose trigger hand with very light shoulder pull.

After the hold adjustment, 5 shots went into a 1" group... MUCH better! Put up a pine board to make some toothpicks and the next 5 shots went into a ~3/8" group, one ragged hole. That's what I remembered this rifle could do if I did my part.

I shoot a standing artillery hold (let the gun do its dance) with an elevated elbow rest. That form is something I can replicate most of the time when out hunting. Follow-through is critical. The Mod125 spring action hits my cheek pretty HARD and I have to really concentrate to NOT FLINCH for each and every shot. When I do flinch the shot almost always goes wide. If I can focus and keep both eyes open on the target until after the pellet hits, the Mod125-25 can be deadly accurate. Chrony read a solid 30 fpe at 30' with 27.8 grain Benjamin Domes.

You verified your velocity is consistent (no obvious seal problems) and all screws are tight. If lots of practice with your best hold technique using the open sights does not improve the groups, you may have a barrel crown or suppressor baffle clipping issue.
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Re: Hatsan 130s and zero
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2019, 06:06:55 PM »
I did try the open sites.  No help.

I did try removing the baffles to see what happens. Did not see much of a difference unless I did not get all of them out.  "Two baffles and two spacers?).  When I look through the breech end I can see some of the baffle on one side but not the other.  I did try sliding a cleaning rod very lightly through to see if it caught a baffle but it appeared to not catch anything.

I did buy an inexpensive laser, Daisy, to mount on the rail but of course the front site is in the way.  The screw is extremely tight so I'm not wanting to strip the head out.
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Re: Hatsan 130s and zero
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2019, 04:25:39 PM »
I tried a UTG laser sight on my 130 .30 cal and it would not hold zero at all. Every shot would bounce the POI around.
I'm still in the process of deciding what to do since a scope with mil-dots would be the best way to take aim with this rifle considering its arched trajectory. I'd like to get to where I can take 75 yd shots with it. Till then, its 25 yards and open sights.
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Re: Hatsan 130s and zero
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2019, 07:48:50 PM »
This is the scope I have had on my Trail NP2 without fail.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004CVER4I/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Admittedly the Hatsan is more powerful but figured it would hold up.

I couldn't even get the open sites to work for me.

I have an email in to Hatsan USA, just waiting for a response.  Hopefully I can get out this weekend, weather permitting, and try again. 
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Re: Hatsan 130s and zero
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2019, 11:24:40 AM »
Oops, I said POI, I should have said POA. The rifle would bounce the internals of the laser sight around with every shot.
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Re: Hatsan 130s and zero
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2019, 10:14:17 AM »
I did try the open sites.  No help.

I did try removing the baffles to see what happens. Did not see much of a difference unless I did not get all of them out.  "Two baffles and two spacers?).  When I look through the breech end I can see some of the baffle on one side but not the other.  I did try sliding a cleaning rod very lightly through to see if it caught a baffle but it appeared to not catch anything.

I did buy an inexpensive laser, Daisy, to mount on the rail but of course the front site is in the way.  The screw is extremely tight so I'm not wanting to strip the head out.

If you can see part of the baffles, looking through the breach, you're clipping the pellets. Ream out the shroud, using a drill bit turned by hand, until you don't see any more obstruction.
I had to do this to a 125 I used to own.
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