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Re: entry level 10m pistol?
« Reply #60 on: January 24, 2019, 10:14:48 PM »
If you are truly ambidextrous, then figure out your dominant eye.
With both eyes open, Hold you index finger out at arms length  and align it to a point about 10 yards away. Without moving close one eye then the other. It will jump side to side. Witch ever is the one that aligns to where you originally sighted in is your dominant eye. I am right handed and right eye dominant.
 Others are not.
Unfortunately my vision out of my right eye is failing much faster than my left.  ::) :P

Interesting tip.  It's almost too close to tell but the right seems to be closer than the left.  Guess I'll stick with right, then.
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Re: entry level 10m pistol?
« Reply #61 on: January 26, 2019, 11:49:22 AM »
OK you seniors... try not to laugh.
 What about an SPA / Artimus / Mrodair CP-1M Targetmaster for an entry level pistol?
 I know it is not in the same league as the others mentioned, but for $79.99 it is down to now, if it is honestly as accurate a target pistol as I have read (with a little refining), it is cheap enough to test the waters on 10M shooting.

http://mrodair.com/mrodair_air_max_targetmaster_cp1m_pistol


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Re: entry level 10m pistol?
« Reply #62 on: January 26, 2019, 12:08:45 PM »
Good accuracy is not needed for entry level pistol, ergonomics on the other hand are necessary. I would recommend Crosman vigilante if you want to start cheap. Crosman trigger can be filed to quite nice pull and because it is so cheap you could use some body filler to enhance the grips. It is also accurate enough to consistently hit the black area.
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Re: entry level 10m pistol?
« Reply #63 on: January 26, 2019, 03:44:28 PM »
OK you seniors... try not to laugh.
 What about an SPA / Artimus / Mrodair CP-1M Targetmaster for an entry level pistol?
 I know it is not in the same league as the others mentioned, but for $79.99 it is down to now, if it is honestly as accurate a target pistol as I have read (with a little refining), it is cheap enough to test the waters on 10M shooting.


For casual home shooting, why not?   
Well there are a few why nots below.

My point of view is, shoot what you can afford.   
It does no good to not shoot, because you cannot afford the top line tier-1 AP.
I shoot an "obsolete" co2 match AP, and it is 'good enough' for me.

My issues/questions are:

- The palm shelf is fixed. 
You will have to build up the shelf to fit your hand.
A fixed shelf will not accommodate your hand as it swells/shrinks with the weather.

- How many shots per cartridge.   "dozens of effective shots per CO2 cart" tells me nothing.
A match is sighters + 60 record shots + finale.  So a possible 90+ shots.
If it will not do 90 shots, you will have to refill in the middle of a match.  That is not a problem at home, but could be at a match.  The issue is that you will have to dump the remaining co2, before you can change cartridges.

- The bolt is on the right side of the pistol.
This is common for a pistol that is converted from a rifle.
This is OK for a leftie, but a rightie could/will have difficulty working the bolt with his left hand.  Or will the shooter have to switch hands to load, which you really do not want to do in a match.
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Re: entry level 10m pistol?
« Reply #64 on: February 08, 2019, 03:28:23 PM »
According to the Crosman site
https://www.crosman.com/1701p-silhouette-pcp-pistol-177
"Shooting at velocities up to 450 fps, the 1701P is capable of 50 shots per fill."

The number of shots is going to be a problem for standard competition, as a standard men's match is 60 shots + warm up.  So you are going to have to stop to refill the pistol in the middle of the match, not good.

The other potential problem is the bolt and William's sight.
The pistol has to fit into a box to be legal.  I am concerned about how far to the side the adjustment knobs on the sight, and the bolt stick out.  It may fit, I just don't know.
This also depends on how fussy the match organizers are to stick to ALL the rules.  Some may be happy you showed up to shoot.

Well, I decide to give the 1701P a try.
After a fair bit of research I find most are getting 70 consistant accurate shots per fill in factory trim, right out of the box... That's starting at 2800psi down to 1800-even more if shot down to 1600 with very little drop in FPS.
 There are even comments on it having a power adjustment that is not in the specs, but, I found it IS in the manual section 10A (Hammer Spring Preload Adjuster) and 10B (Striker Stroke Adjustment) to either raise energry / lower shot count or lower energy / raise shot count.
 The rear sight is not included and I can mount a variety, even the fore mentioned Williams is available without the target knobs that reduce it's width considerably.
 I placed my order today using the 25% AGNATION code and "Free Shipping Friday" and will report back on what I find personally once it arrives.
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Re: entry level 10m pistol?
« Reply #65 on: February 09, 2019, 08:13:00 PM »
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Good show.
Let us know how it works out   ;D
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Re: entry level 10m pistol?
« Reply #66 on: February 09, 2019, 09:57:12 PM »
Thanks for your advise in what to look for AC!
 You had me asking questions on the purchase I never thought about before and that is much appreciated.
If my Crosman CCS wood RH target grips don't work out, I can always save up for a set of Steve Corcoran's adjustable beauties like this. 
 8)

 
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Crosman: PC77, 1740, 1701P
Benjiman H9A

Rifles
Air Arms: S400-SL Carbine FAC
Beeman: RS2 Silver Kodiak,
Benjamin: 312, 342, 392P, 392PA, Maximus
Crosman: Genesis NP .22, Quest 1000X, Raven, 2nd & 3rd var 160's
Feinwerkbau: FWB 300S
Gamo: Recon
SAG: AR2078-B, QB58
Sheridan: C Blue Streak, C9 Blue Streak, Model F Co2
Weihrauch: HW98
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Re: entry level 10m pistol?
« Reply #67 on: February 09, 2019, 10:30:30 PM »
H/Daddy,  Sorry to tell you that Steve is no longer in the businesses, I have two of his custom stocks and must say he was one of the best!!  J.L.
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Re: entry level 10m pistol?
« Reply #68 on: February 09, 2019, 10:57:03 PM »
That blows... his wood work was amazing.

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Sounds like there may be a glimmer of hope if one is patient and keeps an eye on his website.
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« Last Edit: February 09, 2019, 11:04:30 PM by Hoosier Daddy »
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Crosman: PC77, 1740, 1701P
Benjiman H9A

Rifles
Air Arms: S400-SL Carbine FAC
Beeman: RS2 Silver Kodiak,
Benjamin: 312, 342, 392P, 392PA, Maximus
Crosman: Genesis NP .22, Quest 1000X, Raven, 2nd & 3rd var 160's
Feinwerkbau: FWB 300S
Gamo: Recon
SAG: AR2078-B, QB58
Sheridan: C Blue Streak, C9 Blue Streak, Model F Co2
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Re: entry level 10m pistol?
« Reply #69 on: February 13, 2019, 01:43:05 PM »
Following along and wondering if you got the 1701 yet and how its progressing.  I am about to make the same journey into a new silhouette /10m pistol.

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Re: entry level 10m pistol?
« Reply #70 on: February 13, 2019, 02:55:39 PM »
I had it delivered to work and it just got here today!
Can't play with it until I get home. ::)
 Longest afternoon I can remember in a quite a while...  ;)
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Crosman: PC77, 1740, 1701P
Benjiman H9A

Rifles
Air Arms: S400-SL Carbine FAC
Beeman: RS2 Silver Kodiak,
Benjamin: 312, 342, 392P, 392PA, Maximus
Crosman: Genesis NP .22, Quest 1000X, Raven, 2nd & 3rd var 160's
Feinwerkbau: FWB 300S
Gamo: Recon
SAG: AR2078-B, QB58
Sheridan: C Blue Streak, C9 Blue Streak, Model F Co2
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Re: entry level 10m pistol?
« Reply #71 on: February 13, 2019, 05:55:57 PM »
I had it delivered to work and it just got here today!
Can't play with it until I get home. ::)
 Longest afternoon I can remember in a quite a while...  ;)

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Can't open the box in the office, for various reasons.
Inches away, but . . .
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Re: entry level 10m pistol?
« Reply #72 on: February 13, 2019, 07:26:45 PM »
Now that I am home, I started a review here...https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=154768
Pistols
Crosman: PC77, 1740, 1701P
Benjiman H9A

Rifles
Air Arms: S400-SL Carbine FAC
Beeman: RS2 Silver Kodiak,
Benjamin: 312, 342, 392P, 392PA, Maximus
Crosman: Genesis NP .22, Quest 1000X, Raven, 2nd & 3rd var 160's
Feinwerkbau: FWB 300S
Gamo: Recon
SAG: AR2078-B, QB58
Sheridan: C Blue Streak, C9 Blue Streak, Model F Co2
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Re: entry level 10m pistol?
« Reply #73 on: February 13, 2019, 08:05:19 PM »
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Can't open the box in the office, for various reasons.

Isn't that what the copy room is for? (Unless two other people are in there having.....well, you know).  ;)
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Re: entry level 10m pistol?
« Reply #74 on: February 13, 2019, 10:30:10 PM »
DUDE... I worked there before!
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Crosman: PC77, 1740, 1701P
Benjiman H9A

Rifles
Air Arms: S400-SL Carbine FAC
Beeman: RS2 Silver Kodiak,
Benjamin: 312, 342, 392P, 392PA, Maximus
Crosman: Genesis NP .22, Quest 1000X, Raven, 2nd & 3rd var 160's
Feinwerkbau: FWB 300S
Gamo: Recon
SAG: AR2078-B, QB58
Sheridan: C Blue Streak, C9 Blue Streak, Model F Co2
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Re: entry level 10m pistol?
« Reply #75 on: February 13, 2019, 10:49:09 PM »
DUDE... I worked there before!

I thought I recognized your voice in there.

Next time....lock the door please? Some of us have mysterious packages to open, ya know?
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