beeman p17............how come nobody told me how awesome these are? LOL

[Stinger177]

So I've been shooting my new P17 over the last week or so. I like it, but it felt out of balance, sort of top heavy and "flippy". I took the RH grip cover off and thought about it. I had some automobile wheel weights lying around that I used on another plastic stocked rifle and decided to see how they fit.

Result - perfectly. If you can find this brand of weight, there is no need to sticky tape them in there. I added four ounces of weight, right where it needs to be to simulate the weight of a loaded (or partially loaded) magazine. It feels so much more balanced now.

Note in the pic, the two below the grip screw hole are actually two pair doubled over, The double stick tape (that I didn't peel the backing from) acts like a hinge. The "break-off" slot fits perfectly over the molded reinforcement fin of the grip. All the others just lightly force fit. Once the grip is screwed back together nothing moves around.



EDIT - Okay, so I was a bit wrong. The two in the lower rear were moving around and rattling a bit so I took two E.A.R. yellow ear plugs, rolled them up and screwed it all back together before they expanded. No more rattles now.

[avator]

Great idea on those ear plugs. I can see them being handy in other applications as well.

[Mossonarock]

The mechanism of the action is very interesting. I'd describe it as a mix between a break-barrel and a multipump.
I wonder if its possible to put that technology on to a bullpup platform and upscale it to higher power.

That would be the Daisy 853

Um, no the Daisy 853 is not a bullpup nor higher power.

[Stinger177]

The pumping action is similar to the Webley Alecto/Zoraki HP-01, only flipped around.



The P17 being older though, Webley probably stole the design from Beeman.


What I'm wondering is how this is done and still achieving a full cocking stroke without hitting the trigger guard.
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GTA thread = https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=60897.0



I know it needs a longer barrel and undercut on the frame, but how does this work?

[RobertMcC]

What I'm wondering is how this is done and still achieving a full cocking stroke without hitting the trigger guard.
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I know it needs a longer barrel and undercut on the frame, but how does this work?

It clears



https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=80474.0

[Stinger177]

What I'm wondering is how this is done and still achieving a full cocking stroke without hitting the trigger guard.
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I know it needs a longer barrel and undercut on the frame, but how does this work?

It clears




https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=80474.0

I see that, but I'm still confused. If you look at the second pic on that thread, that muzzle break is fully in front of the trigger guard and fully cocked. When cocked to the position in the pic above, there is still one more "click" left to fully cock.

Is it that removing the safety and pulling the trigger "when opening to back draft the air thru the exhaust port" allows it to fully cock?

[RobertMcC]

What I'm wondering is how this is done and still achieving a full cocking stroke without hitting the trigger guard.
                                  vvvvvvvvvvvvv

I know it needs a longer barrel and undercut on the frame, but how does this work?

It clears




https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=80474.0

I see that, but I'm still confused. If you look at the second pic on that thread, that muzzle break is fully in front of the trigger guard and fully cocked. When cocked to the position in the pic above, there is still one more "click" left to fully cock.

Is it that removing the safety and pulling the trigger "when opening to back draft the air thru the exhaust port" allows it to fully cock?

Well hes getting 451 FPS so it must full cock. Ask him, I'm just saying it works.

[Stinger177]

Well hes getting 451 FPS so it must full cock. Ask him, I'm just saying it works.

Yeah. I PM'd him before I posted here. That's an old thread, but he was last active here on GTA last December.

Would really like to have that setup. Mike at TKO says he remembers making that mod for him.

Thanks

[Moke]

So, how about an alternate ammo projectile for a P17?!

My wife and I went to dinner late last week. I ordered a burger, but asked for stuff to be left off.  My wife ordered a burger as well, w/ everything.
I got my order with a long frilly-ended burger pick to denote my custom order.
It was then that I flashed back to my childhood, and, launching a huge amount of those things into the drop panel ceilings at diners (I've eaten a lot of burgers in my time). I'd load them into a drink straw, and fire them into the ceiling like pointy-ended spit wads.
I then drifted into my beer guzzling college days, and the use of an improvised blowgun, and homemade darts that were made from finishing nails and a cone end made by pieces of index card stock.  The blow tube was a piece of  steel electrical conduit. The target backdrop was a piece of plywood, and the target was a beer bottle cap.  Our darts would pierce the bottle cap, and were quite accurate.

I sat there reminiscing, and then, reality hit, and I flash forward 50+ years,..... into an AHA! moment.

That AHA moment:
Wouldn't this be fun to load into the Beeman P17, and, see what its like as a dart gun.
So, I set up a piece of artists foam board that is about 1/4" thick, loaded the Burger Pick, and I took aim from across the living room, and, fired.
It hit the foam board exactly where I aimed it, and pierced it about half deep into the Burger Picks length. Woohoo!
Round one was successful enough to look forward to round two.

Round two came this morning. And, I feel it quite successful as well.

Round two came in the form of a small scale hunt for a mouse, whose nest I know of, as it lives in my generator shed, and I see it every time I open the lid to the shed.
So, i loaded last nights Burger Pick into my P17, and with one hand, I opened the lid, and took aim with the other. And sure as day, the mouse was there, and, I took aim, and tracked it to where I knew it was running to, and I took aim, and,....

And, this is a safer projectile for this space, as I've had pellets come bouncing back at me, as the shed is cinder block, and some wood trim for the ld.

[Rick67]

All that mouse needs is a pickle 

[x3baddad]

or an olive

[avator]

... hunk of cheese.

[DIAMOND]

No, he "asked for stuff to be left off."    Thus the burger pick.

[brewbear]

Hold the mayo?

[avator]

I hope Jeff Dunham don't see this. You might get a lawsuit. "Mouse, on a shteek".

[Back_Roads]

  Ironic I received 72 sticky mouse traps today, I should have ordered a burger with toppings left off

[Mykoll]

or an olive

Crack me up!!!

[Moke]

mousekabob

So, before the orignal Round One , i had also brought home another burger pick from that same burger, that was just a straight dowel, with only one end as pointed, and without the frilly end. It also had a blunt end. So, I used some masking tape at the rear of that dowel, which was too large for my P17, and I built up a fletch that fit my .22 Crosman multi-pump pistol-rifle thing.  This 6" long dowel burger pick fit the Crosman barrel really well with the taped end, which was taped similar to the fletch end of an arrow, just up shaft a bit. 
i fired it at the same piece of craft foam from across the living room, and, it blasted through right to the masking tape end. WooHoo!


That was successful enough that I went out to the garage, and found a piece of 3/16" dowel rod of about 12" long.  I put  couple of wraps of tape at the fletch end. I then loaded that into my Beeman Chief gen.1, and loaded it like a muzzle loader (the Crosman this way as well).  I brought the foam target outside, and put it against a slope of thick tenacious ground cover, stepped way on back, like 30+ft and fired. that dart just blasted through the foam so quickly that I thought I'd missed or misfired; nope, it just vaporized into the ground cover.

So, if this new form of adult lawn darts catches on, don't blame me; but do give me credit.

hint: Dollar Store bamboo BBQ skewers would be perfect.

[Back_Roads]

 You just invented the mini arrow airgun  I will have to look into darts for my Jet 1

[Moke]

This was not a fluke!
Round three of the experiment just occurred.  It was another total success, but, without a trophy to prove it. It manged to slip out the same hole that they get into the shed through, I think?.
I went out to clean out the shed, as the little bastids had chewed up lots of foam insulting panels that I put in to quiet the generator, and I had a snow-like coating all inside the shed. So, I went to clean it out, and, there it was, mouse number two, in the exact spot as number one.
I took my last burger pick, and fired. At the last instant, the mouse moved, and I missed, and the burger pick broke. So, I went into the bathroom, and, grabbed a Q-Tip, that had a hard-rolled paper stem. I took a pair of scissors and cut the fuzzy end off of one end, at a very sharp angle.
I went back out, and opened the lid again. It was still there, so I took aim, and fired. The mouse tried to move again, but, this time, I hit it, diagonally broadside.
The Q-Tip projectile had hit it in the abdomen just behind the front left leg, and, went all the way through it, poking out the opposite side, just in front of the right rear leg. The shot angle looked the same as mouse number one, but just slightly further down body.
It then jumped off of the shelf, and, into the white foam beads mess on the floor.  I was not able to find it.  My assumption is that it either got back out the hole that they've used to gain access, or, it made it past me when I opened the shed door; or, it might even be in the generator working, still.  Regardless, it was hit really hard, and right through many vital regions.
I tried to find it, and, even got out my ShopVac, and vacuumed the mess of foam beads.

This is not a fluke! It totally works.