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Please list properly ....
« on: January 08, 2019, 06:14:27 PM »
This is a rant!  Dez, maybe this could become a sticky ....
If you are selling a rifle WITHOUT the scope or bipod or other acceries in the photo, PLEASE show it as such, TAKE a NEW picture of it !!!!! Don't ad: scope and bipod and LDC and case not included .... (whatever).
If you are accepting Paypal, please factor in the 3% they charge. If you are not family or someone I have traded with before, then I AM NOT PAYING F&F, and I shouldn't have to add the 3 or 4%.  Include it in your price (or factor it in)
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Re: Please list properly ....
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2019, 04:57:03 AM »
Sounds good to me!  Tacked on fees really dampen my interest in making a purchase.

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Re: Please list properly ....
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2019, 08:47:49 AM »
This is a rant!  Dez, maybe this could become a sticky ....
If you are selling a rifle WITHOUT the scope or bipod or other acceries in the photo, PLEASE show it as such, TAKE a NEW picture of it !!!!! Don't ad: scope and bipod and LDC and case not included .... (whatever).
If you are accepting Paypal, please factor in the 3% they charge. If you are not family or someone I have traded with before, then I AM NOT PAYING F&F, and I shouldn't have to add the 3 or 4%.  Include it in your price (or factor it in)
Thank you
Duly noted but understand that even big time vendors and gun manufacturers will show their rifles with accessories . Then list disclaimers of what is not included with the rifle being offered.

I offer most of the rifles I have sold here are shown with scope and rings and the disclaimer will state that scope and rings are not included in the sale.  I will also list exactly what is included in the sale as well.

As long as there is communication via PM and telephone there is less room for misunderstanding
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Re: Please list properly ....
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2019, 08:57:36 AM »
If the "rules"  for the GTA Classifieds are followed as posted, there shouldn't be a problem. It states that a picture must be provided for ACTUAL items being sold.
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Re: Please list properly ....
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2019, 09:41:56 AM »
Great idea.

Even worse is the I have an ________ for sale. Will post pictures later.
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Re: Please list properly ....
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2019, 09:46:51 AM »
Great idea.

Even worse is the I have an ________ for sale. Will post pictures later.

Not in  our classifieds...
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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2019, 09:48:36 AM »
Great idea.

Even worse is the I have an ________ for sale. Will post pictures later.

Not in  our classifieds...
:)
What DEZ said
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Re: Please list properly ....
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2019, 09:53:13 AM »
The fee deal has always been a sore subject. Credit cards charge a retailer the same 3-3.5% for using their service. Charges the SELLER, not the buyer. So to me, the seller needs to either understand PayPal is charging THEM this fee for their service and adjust their price accordingly or just accept the 3.5% fee hit. The buyer should not be asked to absorb this fee.
Just my opinion.
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Re: Please list properly ....
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2019, 09:58:38 AM »
As for selling what is pictured, advertisers ALWAYS use props to make a sale appear more appealing. As long as it is CLEARLY stated what is and is not included, there's nothing wrong with showing what an item COULD be outfitted with. I bought that shiny new car but was upset it didn't include that yacht that was in the background nor the gorgeous bikini clad model leaning on it.
LOL
The wife didn't mind those were not included though. Since both are money pits.
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Re: Please list properly ....
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2019, 10:05:15 AM »
When I sell and accept PayPal as payment I accept that the fee is on me as the seller. That being said if the Item being sold is below what I feel is the true value I will clearly state that the buyer is responsible to pay the shipping costs. If I get my asking price I will absorb  the shipping costs on the Item sold unless it is going to cost more to ship than the item is worth. If Paypal is not acceptable to the buyer then USPS money order and the Item will ship once the funds clear and money is in my checkbook
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Re: Please list properly ....
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2019, 11:22:45 AM »
When I sell a gun, and it has a scope on it, I don't remove the scope, because if said gun doesn't sell, I will likely still want to shoot it, just for the sake of practice and keeping the gun operating. My scopes are usually sighted in just the way I want them, and I see no reason to remove and re-apply just to photograph for a potential sale.
I will state that the scope is not included in the ad, and expect that is a fairly common practice.

When I BUY a gun, I don't expect a scope will normally be a part of the deal, because scopes are such a personalized touch, and  if I buy a gun that has one, I just view it as an unexpected bonus, and almost never actually use it.

As long as the ad states clearly what actually is included in the sale, I am good with it.
I can't imagine any gun purchase on my part being dependent-or even influenced by- the scope issue.
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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2019, 11:26:24 AM »
 ;) :D I knew there was a good reason I liked you Lizzie
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Re: Please list properly ....
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2019, 11:34:55 AM »
Hahahaha :D
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Re: Please list properly ....
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2019, 11:42:53 AM »
 ??? , Being a haggler by nature :-[ , I know everything is negotiable ;) .  I say go ahead and include those extras in the photo...I may want to haggle for them as well.  I prefer the "add 3-3.5%" for PayPal.  This gives me the option as to whether I want PayPal's protection or not.  FF has none :( , IIRC.
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Re: Please list properly ....
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2019, 11:48:07 AM »
As long as the rules are followed and both buyer and seller communicate without mishap, I'm good.

However- I'm okay passing on F&F to those I've communicated with here.  It's a nice touch and brings use closer as a community.  However, I also like the idea of adding the other items if they are shown in the picture.  I don't mind haggling either :)  Hey, I ended up with some extra goodies that way

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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2019, 01:13:39 PM »
As for selling what is pictured, advertisers ALWAYS use props to make a sale appear more appealing. As long as it is CLEARLY stated what is and is not included, there's nothing wrong with showing what an item COULD be outfitted with. I bought that shiny new car but was upset it didn't include that yacht that was in the background nor the gorgeous bikini clad model leaning on it.
LOL
The wife didn't mind those were not included though. Since both are money pits.
Dave, you should be grateful that boat and chick did not come with ... LOL!
Absolutely! On NEW cars, every gimmick is used.
Bad analogy - in my case - I sell cars! NEW are always presented with ALL the bells and whistles, but NOT USED! Those show EXACTLY the item you are getting! There is NOTHING shown that is NOT included. (Consider this: nice used car with tinted windows and prettly alloy wheels, and then a statement saying - wheels not included and will have clear windows! Hmmmm - see what I mean?)
Since we are talking about pre-owned guns, I feel the same should apply.

BTW, I have traded with several fellow members here WITHOUT a hitch, and in fact very pleasantly.

But I did start off by saying this was a rant! Especially the F&F thing or add 3.5% - just include it and get it over with.

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Re: Please list properly ....
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2019, 01:16:22 PM »
 ;) If we had ignored your rant we would have missed out on an interesting conversation  8)
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Beeman RX-2 .20 cal
BSA R-10 MK II SE .22 FS
Rainstorm II .22 AWESOME Rifle
Air Speed .25 Smile Machine
Gamo Whisper Fusion .177
Gamo Swarm Maxxim .22
Marauder GenII .30  Boyd's TH 100+ fpe
RWS D460  .177  
PP700 SA ,22 PCP pistol W/Rocker1 LDC & Red Dot
CP2 .22 Pistol/Carbine
SPA Varmint .177
Freedom 8 & Guppy CF Tank & 45 min SCBA
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Re: Please list properly ....
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2019, 01:16:54 PM »
The fee deal has always been a sore subject. Credit cards charge a retailer the same 3-3.5% for using their service. Charges the SELLER, not the buyer. So to me, the seller needs to either understand PayPal is charging THEM this fee for their service and adjust their price accordingly or just accept the 3.5% fee hit. The buyer should not be asked to absorb this fee.
Just my opinion.

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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2019, 01:19:22 PM »
;) If we had ignored your rant we would have missed out on an interesting conversation  8)
I have more friends here - that I never met - with whom I enjoy daily conversations. It's great.

And I'll never deny everything I learned here.
So if I missed it before. THANK YOU!
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Gamo URBAN .22 10x44 SWIR
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Re: Please list properly ....
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2019, 08:27:14 AM »
I have a "special" account set up with my bank. I'll move money into it for online purchases. My PayPal account is linked to it. When PayPal is linked to a bank account, there are no fees. Neither I nor the seller pays a fee and my main bank account can't be "raped".
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XS-60C GenI .22
2-22XX Carbine HPA .177
2240 Stubby .22
Blaze NP .177
3-M/M Daisy 881
2-Mendoza RM377 .177
2-XS-12 .177
1-Hatsan 1000x .177 Carbine (Pvt. Stryker)
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Vevor Basic. (for the road)
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