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Re: Shoebox F10 update
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2019, 12:13:57 AM »


Why set the output to 120 psi? The F10 says it can handle 125 psi.
I copied this from the F10 manual.

EDIT..I posted wrong information so I removed it
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Re: Shoebox F10 update
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2019, 12:32:44 AM »
 That manual does not apply to the F-10 FYI
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Re: Shoebox F10 update
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2019, 12:36:04 AM »
That manual does not apply to the F-10 FYI
Thanks for pointing that out. I'm going to remove that manual info.
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Re: Shoebox F10 update
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2019, 12:39:19 AM »
Barry,

That's from the manual for the Max version of the Shoebox.

Here is the F10 manual:

http://shoeboxcompressor.com/images/stories/f10-manual.pdf

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Re: Shoebox F10 update
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2019, 01:53:27 PM »
guy's, I'm in a quandry here. I spoke to a well known AG builder and customiser here on the fourum and he stated that he had to replace the o rings on the F-10 almost every fill of a scba tank.


What are your findings?


I do know that I had to replace o rings at an alarming pace until I was selected by Tom Kay as one of the Silicone oil feed testers before it was available from shoebox. It really improved a LOT. Ended up not having to replace o rings but very infrequently.


Any input here would be greatly appreciated!


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Re: Shoebox F10 update
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2019, 02:13:50 PM »
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Re: Shoebox F10 update
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2019, 03:12:45 PM »
guy's, I'm in a quandry here. I spoke to a well known AG builder and customiser here on the fourum and he stated that he had to replace the o rings on the F-10 almost every fill of a scba tank.


What are your findings?


I do know that I had to replace o rings at an alarming pace until I was selected by Tom Kay as one of the Silicone oil feed testers before it was available from shoebox. It really improved a LOT. Ended up not having to replace o rings but very infrequently.


Any input here would be greatly appreciated!


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Re: Shoebox F10 update
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2019, 03:28:59 PM »
I have to agree that something is not right with that F-10.  I finally rebuilt / replaced the o-rings in my Max after 150 of hours of run time, filling to 4500 with almost every fill, and there was no visible wear nor change in fill rate after the rebuild.  I simply did it as it was past the time that Tom says the unit should need a rebuild and I wanted to do it anyways.  About 100 hours of that run time on those rings were prior to installing the auto lube kit.  I won't be doing that again for a long time . . . as I now lube them with Krytox oil.

With the lower fill pressure of SCBA tanks, something has to be very wrong to fail in probably under 10 hours of operation.  And if nothing is wrong with the Shoebox itself, I would suspect that the air feeding it must be dirty from contaminated hoses or something - that could explain it too (I have a 0.02 micron filter as the last step in my set up, just before a dedicated regulator on the input of my Shoebox).

Another thing - the reason I decided to put the micron filter on mine - is that desiccant beads can shatter and throw off silica dust if they get wet.  Silica dust would certainly chew up o-rings, so if he somehow has water getting to any desiccant he might be using that would certainly do it . . .

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Re: Shoebox F10 update
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2019, 06:02:28 PM »
 :o I have had my F8 compressor for almost 4 years and I fill a Guppy and two SCBA 45 minute tanks all to 4500psi about once every other month. I still lube with the white lithium grease every ~1.5 to 2 hours of fun time I have a small fan blowing on the Freedom 8 and another blowing on the air tank of the shop compressor . Also have a moisture and particle filter after the shop compressor. Have not needed to rebuild the F8 yet
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Re: Shoebox F10 update
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2019, 07:44:29 PM »
I just rebuilt my MAX after about 150 hours of run time. This is the second rebuild in two years. My fault this time. The high pressure cylinders oil felt fell off. I havenít checked it in quit a while. The inner Oring shattered. Must have heated up and became brittle. Very easy to rebuild. I emailed Ton Friday and asked about the differences between the MAX and the F10. Says the F10 is about twice as fast. So I ordered one! I have a couple 60 min, a 30 min and a couple Ninja bottles that I keep filled. Sounds like a lot of air on hand. But a couple buddies and I can have several rifles on the bench and a couple of them are bigbores. Doesnít take long to blow through it. Plus they like having me fill their tanks too.
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Re: Shoebox F10 update
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2019, 09:32:45 PM »
I will be very interested in you findings with it Darrell!


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Re: Shoebox F10 update
« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2019, 01:32:15 PM »
I will post what I find out. Suspose to be here Friday. Right now all tanks are filled. I donít like the valve on my Scott tank. But I have a new valve like the one on my Drager tank to put on it. Might have to loose a tank full of air. Might shoot it up in the Badger this weekend too. Will report back.
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Re: Shoebox F10 update
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2019, 01:39:50 PM »
Thanks! 8)


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Re: Shoebox F10 update
« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2019, 04:36:32 PM »
My ShoeboxMax just died.
I salvaged the motor.
I can get free fills at one of my clubs (twice a month) and the local dive shop tops off for $5.00.
Shoebox 10 is now about $600.00.
Divided by $5.00 that is about 120 or so fills.
Hmm At soon to be 74 I might have to think that over.
It is not the money (I am not as loaded as I once was but....) but I donít need to throw it away, like someone who lives with me does...
Maybe an Air Venturi compressor....
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Re: Shoebox F10 update
« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2019, 04:40:06 PM »
Frank what failed they are extremely rebuildable contact the manufacturer I spoke to him before I purchased my F8 and as simple a design as they are I can't see it being a total loss. Perhaps he can do an inexpensive rebuild for you.

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Re: Shoebox F10 update
« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2019, 05:23:35 PM »
Hey Frank!

I too am curious to as to how your Shoebox died?  I figured the most expensive component would be the motor and you basically said that's ok.

All the other parts shouldn't be too expensive to replace.  Maybe it just needs a rebuild?

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Re: Shoebox F10 update
« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2019, 08:10:51 PM »
My ShoeboxMax just died.
I salvaged the motor.
I can get free fills at one of my clubs (twice a month) and the local dive shop tops off for $5.00.
Shoebox 10 is now about $600.00.
Divided by $5.00 that is about 120 or so fills.
Hmm At soon to be 74 I might have to think that over.
It is not the money (I am not as loaded as I once was but....) but I donít need to throw it away, like someone who lives with me does...
Maybe an Air Venturi compressor....
Shoebox F10 is listed at $499.00, now you have to refigure your fill quantity. :D
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Re: Shoebox F10 update
« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2019, 08:20:50 PM »
Mine was about $550 shipped to my door. I didn't have an airless compressor so that was another $150 then the accessories another $50 and finally the high side filter which was another $28.  That comes out to a grand total of $778.  I've been using the California air tools compressor more than the F10 though, it's very quiet and when I need an airhose it's really handy, I used it today as a matter of fact ;D
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Re: Shoebox F10 update
« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2019, 08:56:48 PM »
Yep, should be salvageable. Gotta remember folks, he is in  Cali. and has to pay taxes on it. So his cost is right on.  ;)
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Re: Shoebox F10 update
« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2019, 09:21:42 PM »
$499.00
S&H
INSURANCE
EXTRA O-RINGS....

I couldnít get the c-clips out to rebuild the cylinders.I tried to different c-clip pliers.
PITA
Finally I got the thing apart and then back together.
Hooked up a partially filled tank and my shop compressor.
The air in the tank went down instead of up.
Too noisy, too.
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