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All FX Sales Suspended
« on: December 16, 2018, 04:08:52 PM »
When over 60 percent of guns received by a dealer have problems directly out of the box and FX customer support takes over 4 months to effect repairs action must be taken.

It is with much regret that I am suspending ALL FX airgun sales from my dealership. FX has treated my customers badly and that will NOW STOP!

The new focus of my dealership will be airgun hunting and PCP guns around $1000 or less. If you want or need FX products then please visit another vendor and "good luck"!

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Re: All FX Sales Suspended
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2018, 04:16:22 PM »
This is what I have said in another thread.

Was able to talk to 1 of the AOA guys (Nov. of 2017) while he was recommending a Daystate to another customer because this brand has given them no trouble unlike the FX line, which are often sent back for repairs.
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Re: All FX Sales Suspended
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2018, 04:24:44 PM »
Just curious if it was any particular problem with the FX guns across the board or was it random issues overall?
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Re: All FX Sales Suspended
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2018, 04:40:28 PM »
Leaks and Regulator issues mainly leading to shot to shot inconsistency. One barrel issue requiring lapping to correct.
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Re: All FX Sales Suspended
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2018, 04:48:18 PM »
Leaks and Regulator issues mainly leading to shot to shot inconsistency. One barrel issue requiring lapping to correct.



Thanks!  I'm not surprised by the leaks.  I've heard they are riddled with O-rings throughout.
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Re: All FX Sales Suspended
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2018, 04:55:08 PM »
For the price of the FX's it seems a person wouldn't have to worry about getting good o rings and a good barrel for that matter.  It's unreal they'll sell a gun like that for the price they get for them.  I'd expect something like that from the cheap Chinese guns but not the FX for crying out loud.
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Re: All FX Sales Suspended
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2018, 05:02:00 PM »
I don't know the personalities involved and don't question anybody's ethics but I remain a bit skeptical as the vendors and distribution model have undergone some changes. It could possibly be that other brands have higher margins or there is a desire to dissuade people away from a competitive vendor (like Utah).

In other words I'd need more independent data from dispassionate individuals to fairly judge. 

Also the internet amplification effect, where a few lemons equate to a massive failure. And negative reviews weigh 10-20x more than positive ones.
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Re: All FX Sales Suspended
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2018, 05:21:49 PM »
I don't know the personalities involved and don't question anybody's ethics but I remain a bit skeptical as the vendors and distribution model have undergone some changes. It could possibly be that other brands have higher margins or there is a desire to dissuade people away from a competitive vendor (like Utah).

In other words I'd need more independent data from dispassionate individuals to fairly judge. 

Also the internet amplification effect, where a few lemons equate to a massive failure. And negative reviews weigh 10-20x more than positive ones.

I am not quite sure what your point is in relationship to my dealership Frank. All I have stated is I can no longer, as a small dealer, afford to manage the issues with the guns FX has sent me. If larger dealers had my failure rate then FX would not be any more.
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Re: All FX Sales Suspended
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2018, 08:48:50 PM »
For the price of the FX's it seems a person wouldn't have to worry about getting good o rings and a good barrel for that matter.  It's unreal they'll sell a gun like that for the price they get for them.  I'd expect something like that from the cheap Chinese guns but not the FX for crying out loud.









Well you do have a point. I a person puts down hard earned cash and has to deal with “repairs” on a new product, what’s the sense of buying it?
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Re: All FX Sales Suspended
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2018, 08:49:56 PM »
Over on Airgun Nation, there are FX trigger issues reported what seems like almost daily.  These guns do seem to be more problem ridden than other manufacturers, ESPECIALLY for how much they cost.  I sure won't buy one.
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Re: All FX Sales Suspended
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2018, 03:36:55 PM »
WOW
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Re: All FX Sales Suspended
« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2018, 04:27:57 PM »
Double WOW !  I'm very close to ordering one but have been hearing more and more horror stories.  I'm doing more research before I order anything now. 

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Re: All FX Sales Suspended
« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2018, 05:47:11 PM »
This is not great news.  Just got an Impact and yes, noticed a few quirks, but nothing horrendous yet.
speaking of which... the screws loosened on the top rail that holds the scope mounts, so had to tighten all, and re center scope. bothersome, but not fatal.
I'm thinking... purple or blue loktite.

Just in case... does anyone know a good AG gunsmith in Calif?  If repairs should arise, I'd rather deal with someone I can drive to vs back and forth shipping.
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Re: All FX Sales Suspended
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2018, 06:32:08 PM »
I don't know the personalities involved and don't question anybody's ethics but I remain a bit skeptical as the vendors and distribution model have undergone some changes. It could possibly be that other brands have higher margins or there is a desire to dissuade people away from a competitive vendor (like Utah).

In other words I'd need more independent data from dispassionate individuals to fairly judge. 

Also the internet amplification effect, where a few lemons equate to a massive failure. And negative reviews weigh 10-20x more than positive ones.

You weren't being asked to judge. This vendor was simply informing his customers of his business decision. Your opinion doesn't seem to involved here.
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Re: All FX Sales Suspended
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2018, 07:20:18 PM »
About two years ago Blackpool Air Rifles refused to stock Impacts because they had a 90% failure rate.  A quick Google search will bring results corroborating that.

So considering the failure rate the OP's customers had I don't blame him and I would make the same business decision if I was in his position.

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Re: All FX Sales Suspended
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2018, 08:05:41 PM »
I'm fairly new to airguns and was thinking about ordering an FX.  Probably was going to be the Dreamline.  Now I'd like more input to the decision making process. 

What is out there in the airgun world that is closest to the FX Dreamline/Impact/Crown?  I'm not necessarily talking about price range but equivalent accuracy / reliability / owner satisfaction / ability to shoot at multiple power levels / ability to adjust reg output pressure / able to swap barrels to shoot slugs / etc. 

thanks, 

Edited to add:  I almost forgot.  Something that would be able to compete in the Extreme BenchRest competition like the FXs do also? 

Edited again to add:  And win as often as the FXs do. 

 
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Re: All FX Sales Suspended
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2018, 08:16:56 PM »
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Re: All FX Sales Suspended
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2018, 08:56:53 PM »
I'm fairly new to airguns and was thinking about ordering an FX.  Probably was going to be the Dreamline.  Now I'd like more input to the decision making process. 

What is out there in the airgun world that is closest to the FX Dreamline/Impact/Crown?  I'm not necessarily talking about price range but equivalent accuracy / reliability / owner satisfaction / ability to shoot at multiple power levels / ability to adjust reg output pressure / able to swap barrels to shoot slugs / etc. 

thanks, 

Edited to add:  I almost forgot.  Something that would be able to compete in the Extreme BenchRest competition like the FXs do also? 

Edited again to add:  And win as often as the FXs do.

Remember this years Extreme Bench Rest was turned over by a Brocock Bantam Sniper in .22 caliber! Even a Kral was in the top 30 of Pro Class. I will probably get an argument but it is more in the hands of the shooter than what gun is used! Knowing your gun and its shooting characteristics intimately is most important.
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Re: All FX Sales Suspended
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2018, 11:20:43 PM »
OK, with more research, I think I'm closing in on the best airgun.  I think I'm going to switch from ordering an  FX to ordering a Daystate Red Wolf HP 22. That truly looks like the best airgun on the market. Unsurpassed quality control, accuracy, and reliability.  More of them in the top twenty of Extreme Benchrest than any other airgun.  What more could you ask for????
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Re: All FX Sales Suspended
« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2018, 11:38:56 PM »
I would take a closer look at the Flex from WAR and also the Evol coming out very soon from AAA before diving off the cliff with a distance manufacture.  Those two are American made guns and come equipped with the TJ barrel which is well known for its accuracy.  You'll get some of the best gun builds available along with local support and parts just a call away.
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30 Shots @ 31.02 FPE Avg., 1.36% ES, 1.58 FPE/CI
JSAR MDS Hammer, TSS and LW Air Tube mods.  MMHF barrel
UTG compact SWAT 4-16x44 IR SFP
25 Marauder Regulated. Tuned using JSB MKIIs:
24 Shots @ 55.94 FPE Avg., 1.96% ES, 1.49 FPE/CI
JSAR SS Valve, MDS Hammer, TSS and LW Air Tube mods.
Falcon Menace 5.5-25x50 IR FFP
357 Slayer Unregulated. Tuned using NSA 142gr:
4 shots @ 275.60 FPE Avg., 2.33% ES, 1.23 FPE/CI
Falcon Menace 5.5-25x56 FFP
DonnyFL Emperor LDC

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