Any US importers carrying this gun?

[Pursang]

How many shots from a .22 with a 300bar fill on high? I read the whole thread and didn't see this info.

[pat585]

We better stop talking up these guns or their going to raise the price. Ha Ha

[Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58)]

How many shots from a .22 with a 300bar fill on high? I read the whole thread and didn't see this info.

Mine is a .177, but I can easily get 60 shots from 4000 psi to 3000 psi on high power.

[superchikn]

We better stop talking up these guns or their going to raise the price. Ha Ha

I have been thinking exactly the same thing.

[Rohmpm]

How many shots from a .22 with a 300bar fill on high? I read the whole thread and didn't see this info.


With a 4k fill and a .100 hammer spring washer I shot over fourty for sure, maybe over fifty. I chronoed different pellets without keeping specific count.
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[Rohmpm]

My thoughts after a week, .22 synthetic.
Nicely double boxed, not even a crease, Fed Ex
Bads
Initial visual....cheesy plastic stock with equally bad  name spray painted on. Some durable flat paint will fix that.
A lot of plastic. Shroud  end and center sleeve plastic. End shroud sleeve next to receiver poorly anchored. You wouldn't want much repetitive load on the shroud.
Barrel and airtube diverge. The barrel bends up when the sleeve is removed. This required a lot of adjustment on the scope.
Good
Fairly light, fits me perfect.  Very accurate, deflected barrel and all. Ten shots at 30 yards easily covered with a dime(JSB). CPHP slightly larger.
Decent power with .100 hammer spring shim. JSB 15.4 @ 950. 18.13 @ 905
over 40 shots, maybe over fifty from 4k to drop off.
I spun up some precise fitting shroud locating parts (3 grubs) and ported air stripper. Two very soft springs and spacers in the moderator make it incredibly quiet
I haven't found a need, but you could now preload the barrell all you would like.
Next I'll make a barrel/airtube bracket that allows the barrel to align properly, correcting the .070 misalignment.
.147 transfer port in barrel makes me think that enlarging ports and valve work could yield more power and increase shot count by lowering regulator  pressure.
Final verdict....I usually get two if I REALLY like it. Next order going in.
Can't wait for a .25, or two!

[Airgunner1]

Good  morning
Does this rifle has a hammer adjustment like the hatsan

[pat585]

Billy= Great write up. I couldn't figure out why after removing my shroud i then had to shim my scope? I don't like the use of plastic either  but i guess it's a necessary evil in today's manufacturing to keep cost down. I also had clipping after i put on a moderator & had to open up the holes. Your fix is the way to go.

[pat585]

Marcelo= Not like the hatsan. You have to drift out a pin & shim it to apply more pressure on HS. You could probably fabricate something if your good with machining.

[Airgunner1]

Pat= thank you very much I’m not very good @ all lol. Do you know the FPS in high power using  14.3  crosmam?

[pat585]

Marcelo= I just shot 14 different pellets, 5 shot groups at 20 yds indoors.The crosman 14.3 was 878 fps on high with my stock rifle. I was shooting for groups. Out of the 14 different pellets on low power the top 5 were-Crosman 14.3,JSB 18,AA 16,Polymag 16,Kodiak 21.12& Vortex 14.66. These 5 pellet groups were all one hole groups. The crosman were the domed pellets. The hollowpoints also shot good but not one hole. Later i will repeat the test on high power. I really can't ask for better accuracy from a gun at this price!

[USAFANG6799]

Pat,

Many thanks for doing all this leg work shooting a variety of pellets.
I thought mine would like the JSB 18.3 but so far it's like the H&N Terminators 16.
I have about 6 more pellets to try out before the gun picks it's favorite.

One thing I did notice I cleaned it again,100 +- pellets, after the initial clean and it went from liking JSB 18.3 to H&N Terminators 16.
Accuracy improved after 2nd cleaning.
Regulator is settling down, lever is smother.

So far though my Marauder is still more accurate but I'm more use to it and it's got more shots through it.
The Benjamin Discovery and Chief have taken a back seat to the Liberty at this point.

[pat585]

Matt= Yea the big problem with these rifles is their making my other guns jealous!! I'm not a hunter but i have some 16 gr poly mags on hand that were 5 shots in the same hole. What surprised me was the crosmans & vortex that were equally accurate. My triggers are at 1 lb 6 0z. but no safety.As you know  everyone is going to have to find their own best pellet for their gun but i'm finding a lot of choices in mine. Now when i try these pellets on high power it might be different story. Then i can start all over again with the .177. The fun never ends!!

[USAFANG6799]

Pat, Didn't know you were shooting on low power. I haven't tried low power yet so thinking choice of pellet might change?
The Poly mags is one I'm going to try also. But I think they might be more expensive thank the H&N Terminators. Still be interesting to
see how many varieties of pellets it might like.
I would like to be able to shoot the JSB Monsters in 25 but at high 680's seems a bit low. Do you know how to adjust the Hammer Spring?
Something about removing a plastic square cap on back of gun? It's too bad it's not as simple as the NOVA Freedom.

[pat585]

Matt= I know Frankie & a couple of other guys already did it. The gun is fine for me the way it is. Just drift out the rear most pin in the receiver & the HS cover will be released. Then you can shim with washers & check with your chrony.

[tracker1955]

Here are a few more observations I've made as I've tinkered with the rifle, the first is the weight. I was attracted to this rifle for several reasons one of which was the 3-kilogram weight, that's 6.49 lbs as I understand it. My home scale won't register with just the rifles weight so I weighed myself with and without the rifle and then subtracted the weight of the scope, that put the rifle at 8.2 lbs, that's not a few ounce discrepancy. I've had the stock off the action and for a wood stock, it's not very heavy so the extra mass has to be from the action itself. I also don't care for the location of the safety, I didn't think it would bother me but I guess I'm so used to the ease of my Marauder's safety being right in front of the trigger that it makes this new one seem cumbersome. I did get a chance this morning to put a few shots down range, after filling the rifle to 4000 psi for some reason which I can't explain the rifle scattered the first four shots, then settled in and began stacking the next 16 through one hole I could have covered with a dime at 35 yards. There was just enough light when I got home tonight to try a mag each of H&N Barracuda match 21.14's and a mag of CPD's, the Barracudas grouped pretty well but the CPD's opened up with only about three shots in ten hitting almost on top each other. It's just odd how several will group together then the rest spray around the others. Am off work tomorrow and supposed to get sunshine so will be breaking out the chrony to crunch some numbers and test a few other pellets I have on hand. After watching youtube videos on this rifle I wish I had some JSB 15.89's to try or the AA 16 grain. I will have to make a decision after the chrony test if I want to shim the hammer spring or just leave things alone, looking for at least 30 FPE but more would be fine too.

[USAFANG6799]

Tom:

I will have to make a decision after the chrony test if I want to shim the hammer spring or just leave things alone, looking for at least 30 FPE but more would be fine too.

This is exactly what I'd like to do to mine, shim the hammer so I can get approximately 30 FPE from it.
I understand that there is a pin that needs to be drifted out but I'm not able to locate it. Maybe the stock needs to be removed to get at the pin?

Looking forward to your next post!

[Fwawa20]

Matt-you will have to remove your stock to get to it.  Pretty easy to get to after that! 

[USAFANG6799]

Many thanks Frankie.

[Rohmpm]

Here are a few more observations I've made as I've tinkered with the rifle, the first is the weight. I was attracted to this rifle for several reasons one of which was the 3-kilogram weight, that's 6.49 lbs as I understand it. My home scale won't register with just the rifles weight so I weighed myself with and without the rifle and then subtracted the weight of the scope, that put the rifle at 8.2 lbs, that's not a few ounce discrepancy. I've had the stock off the action and for a wood stock, it's not very heavy so the extra mass has to be from the action itself. I also don't care for the location of the safety, I didn't think it would bother me but I guess I'm so used to the ease of my Marauder's safety being right in front of the trigger that it makes this new one seem cumbersome. I did get a chance this morning to put a few shots down range, after filling the rifle to 4000 psi for some reason which I can't explain the rifle scattered the first four shots, then settled in and began stacking the next 16 through one hole I could have covered with a dime at 35 yards. There was just enough light when I got home tonight to try a mag each of H&N Barracuda match 21.14's and a mag of CPD's, the Barracudas grouped pretty well but the CPD's opened up with only about three shots in ten hitting almost on top each other. It's just odd how several will group together then the rest spray around the others. Am off work tomorrow and supposed to get sunshine so will be breaking out the chrony to crunch some numbers and test a few other pellets I have on hand. After watching youtube videos on this rifle I wish I had some JSB 15.89's to try or the AA 16 grain. I will have to make a decision after the chrony test if I want to shim the hammer spring or just leave things alone, looking for at least 30 FPE but more would be fine too.
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]I went back over my notes. With a .100 hammer spring shim, a 4k start, JSB 14.35 averaged 986, right at 31 ft lbs.
JSB 15.89 averaged 946 for 31.6 ft lbs
JSB 18.13 averaged  909 for 33.3

As a side note, with a .040 shim the velocities were 950, 915 and 868 respectively.
Going to try a .150 shim but it might already be bottoming out the valve stem.