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Re: New Pro Sport, the good, the bad.
« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2018, 09:12:00 PM »
As someone who lives in northern Wisconsin and shoots, outside in the winter with her ProSport, it's not at all a waste of time. I usually take some warm up shots to loosen things up before getting too serious about groups and, yes, you'll likely get some POI changes, but nothing you can't work, around. Sure beats putting a gun away for the winter. Don't forget try shooting indoors, too, if that's an option. The PS has a bit more fpe than needed for typical indoor work, but even at 10 meters it's a fun gun to shoot. Do it all winter long with mine.
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Re: New Pro Sport, the good, the bad.
« Reply #41 on: November 12, 2018, 01:24:20 PM »
As someone who lives in northern Wisconsin and shoots, outside in the winter with her ProSport, it's not at all a waste of time. I usually take some warm up shots to loosen things up before getting too serious about groups and, yes, you'll likely get some POI changes, but nothing you can't work, around. Sure beats putting a gun away for the winter. Don't forget try shooting indoors, too, if that's an option. The PS has a bit more fpe than needed for typical indoor work, but even at 10 meters it's a fun gun to shoot. Do it all winter long with mine.
Great to hear.👍  I will definitely do some shooting this winner.   And if I can figure something out maybe try to shoot indoors the pro sport definitely seems quiet enough to shoot indoors.
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Re: New Pro Sport, the good, the bad.
« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2018, 12:38:55 AM »
Pellet rifles are shot at such close  distances that Iím not used to. This is a brand new rifle and new scope and is grouping well.  at 20 yards I am 85 clicks down.   Does this seem correct for my pro sport shooting air arms .22 cal pellets?
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Re: New Pro Sport, the good, the bad.
« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2018, 08:34:08 AM »
Pellet rifles are shot at such close  distances that Iím not used to. This is a brand new rifle and new scope and is grouping well.  at 20 yards I am 85 clicks down.   Does this seem correct for my pro sport shooting air arms .22 cal pellets?

Sounds like some droop issues, from optical zero, I would like to see a rifle shoot 3" low. 

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Re: New Pro Sport, the good, the bad.
« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2018, 01:26:36 PM »
OP, I would suspect the scope and/or the way it's mounted.  When I got my TX200, I mounted a Hammers scope...a better one is on the way...and it shot way low.  I don't blame 'barrel droop'.  I blame an inexpensive scope.  As long as you're on target now, and not at the limits of your adjustment, it's all good...in my admittedly inexperienced with airguns opinion, that is!
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Re: New Pro Sport, the good, the bad.
« Reply #45 on: December 27, 2018, 01:58:49 PM »
Many pellet rifles have varying degrees of barrel droop the solution is a droop compensating mount. If you choose to forgo the compensating mount plan on replacing scopes frequently the cheaper the scope the shorter the life of the scope. the problem is that even if the scope has enough elevation to correct for the low POI you are probably near the limits of adjustability.  This will not work well in the long run because of the stress on the inner workings of the scope.

  I went through three AG rated scopes on my Diana D460 before installing the compensating mount and since then no further scope failures 
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Re: New Pro Sport, the good, the bad.
« Reply #46 on: December 28, 2018, 12:11:00 AM »
The scope is a leupold 3-9x33 efr. Iím using hawke match mount two piece rings.  Iím really trying to stay away from a one piece mount, I really donít care for the looks of one piece mounts. The leupold bottoms out at around 150 clicks down from center.  Iím at 85 down so slightly more than halfway,( assuming that all 150 clicks are usable. 

1.Do the experts on here think Iím in the ok zone of adjustment?
2. How much can you shim the scope in the rings, safety without tube damage?
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Re: New Pro Sport, the good, the bad.
« Reply #47 on: December 28, 2018, 12:17:09 AM »

Sounds like some droop issues, from optical zero, I would like to see a rifle shoot 3" low. 

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So are you saying, after mounting your scope, and your crosshairs are optically centered, the pellets should be hitting 3in low at 20yards?  If youíre scope is 1/4 moa,  how meny clicks down to zero it?
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Re: New Pro Sport, the good, the bad.
« Reply #48 on: December 28, 2018, 06:59:59 AM »

Sounds like some droop issues, from optical zero, I would like to see a rifle shoot 3" low. 

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So are you saying, after mounting your scope, and your crosshairs are optically centered, the pellets should be hitting 3in low at 20yards?  If youíre scope is 1/4 moa,  how meny clicks down to zero it?
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About 60 clicks up.

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Re: New Pro Sport, the good, the bad.
« Reply #49 on: December 28, 2018, 11:54:37 AM »

Sounds like some droop issues, from optical zero, I would like to see a rifle shoot 3" low. 

Jason G

So are you saying, after mounting your scope, and your crosshairs are optically centered, the pellets should be hitting 3in low at 20yards?  If youíre scope is 1/4 moa,  how meny clicks down to zero it?

About 60 clicks up.

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Think about getting an adaptor base with built in droop compensation, then mount 2 piece rings on top.

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Are you comfortable with 60 clicks up as a permanent way to zero in a leupold on a Pro-Sport?
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Re: New Pro Sport, the good, the bad.
« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2018, 12:59:59 PM »

Sounds like some droop issues, from optical zero, I would like to see a rifle shoot 3" low. 

Jason G

So are you saying, after mounting your scope, and your crosshairs are optically centered, the pellets should be hitting 3in low at 20yards?  If youíre scope is 1/4 moa,  how meny clicks down to zero it?

About 60 clicks up.

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Think about getting an adaptor base with built in droop compensation, then mount 2 piece rings on top.


Are you comfortable with 60 clicks up as a permanent way to zero in a leupold on a Pro-Sport?
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Re: New Pro Sport, the good, the bad.
« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2018, 01:18:34 PM »
The scope is a leupold 3-9x33 efr. Iím using hawke match mount two piece rings.  Iím really trying to stay away from a one piece mount, I really donít care for the looks of one piece mounts. The leupold bottoms out at around 150 clicks down from center.  Iím at 85 down so slightly more than halfway,( assuming that all 150 clicks are usable. 

1.Do the experts on here think Iím in the ok zone of adjustment?
2. How much can you shim the scope in the rings, safety without tube damage?


You seem to be jumping around a bit.

What EXACTLY are you trying to do?

Are you setting up your rifle for hunting or 10 meter target?

I sighted my rifle in at 30 yards. I use a mil-dot scope on this rifle. (The other has a simple duplex reticle.)

Because the pellet trajectory crosses the line of sight twice, once near and once far, ALL of my corrections are "hold over".

When I practice shooting at paper at say 10 yards/meters I either use (mil-dot) hold over or, I place an aiming point "X" inches above the bulls eye.

If there is enough paper below the bulls-eye, I usually don't worry about it as I am "shooting for group size" and the "score" (to me) is not relevant and as a bonus, my aiming point stays intact!!

There are two piece adjustable rings available ... I just don't like to mess with the set-up once everything where it needs to be.  (In my case it's for hunting, plinking and a little field target.)

Google is your friend ...    ;)

https://www.google.com/search?q=2+piece+adjustable+rings+for+airguns&rlz=1C1RNPN_enUS411US491&oq=2+piece+adjustable+rings+for+airguns&aqs=chrome..69i57.26432j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

My favorite - Burris Signature Rings.

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Re: New Pro Sport, the good, the bad.
« Reply #52 on: December 28, 2018, 04:04:52 PM »
The scope is a leupold 3-9x33 efr. Iím using hawke match mount two piece rings.  Iím really trying to stay away from a one piece mount, I really donít care for the looks of one piece mounts. The leupold bottoms out at around 150 clicks down from center.  Iím at 85 down so slightly more than halfway,( assuming that all 150 clicks are usable. 

1.Do the experts on here think Iím in the ok zone of adjustment?
2. How much can you shim the scope in the rings, safety without tube damage?


You seem to be jumping around a bit.

What EXACTLY are you trying to do?

Are you setting up your rifle for hunting or 10 meter target?

I sighted my rifle in at 30 yards. I use a mil-dot scope on this rifle. (The other has a simple duplex reticle.)

Because the pellet trajectory crosses the line of sight twice, once near and once far, ALL of my corrections are "hold over".

When I practice shooting at paper at say 10 yards/meters I either use (mil-dot) hold over or, I place an aiming point "X" inches above the bulls eye.

If there is enough paper below the bulls-eye, I usually don't worry about it as I am "shooting for group size" and the "score" (to me) is not relevant and as a bonus, my aiming point stays intact!!

There are two piece adjustable rings available ... I just don't like to mess with the set-up once everything where it needs to be.  (In my case it's for hunting, plinking and a little field target.)

Google is your friend ...    ;)

https://www.google.com/search?q=2+piece+adjustable+rings+for+airguns&rlz=1C1RNPN_enUS411US491&oq=2+piece+adjustable+rings+for+airguns&aqs=chrome..69i57.26432j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

My favorite - Burris Signature Rings.

https://www.google.com/search?q=burris+signature+rings&rlz=1C1RNPN_enUS411US491&oq=burris+signature&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l4.11261j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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I want to be zeroed at 20 yards.  I want to know how many clicks from optical center is ďokĒ, before you feel I need to get a droop compensating Mount, or other adjustable rings.   Also how much shimming I can do in the hawke rings them selves before you are in danger of causing scope tube damage.
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Re: New Pro Sport, the good, the bad.
« Reply #53 on: December 28, 2018, 09:25:09 PM »
I would not recommend shimming the rings.  One piece mounts are the best route by all means.  But I know folks swear by the Burris rings with the inserts, I would go that route with the two piece.  Some of the cheap Chinese mounts most likely are not line bored or paired.  This will cause issues with a scope also.  Flip the rings front to rear and see what happens.  Also do some height measurements with calipers and see how close they are to each other.

Mac1 use to offer two piece mounts, paired and line bored to minute of angle, check these out,

http://www.mac1airgunshop.com/mobile/Product.aspx?ProductCode=DrMe1Sp11

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Re: New Pro Sport, the good, the bad.
« Reply #54 on: December 29, 2018, 10:28:04 AM »
Ryon, This is only my opinion based on my personal experience.  Running a scope that far from optical center is not good on a springer.  On a PCP youíd probably never have an issue, but on a springer you will.  It may hold zero perfectly....for awhile,  but then the affects if being so far out from center will begin to set it and youíll struggle holding POI.  If all you want to do is hold soda can accuracy at 30 yards, the scope will probably do that fine.  But if youíre looking for tight groups with pellets touching, there will come a point where the groups will start to grow and if you arenít careful you will spend hours and hours trying to troubleshoot a rifle for a scope problem.

My first recommendation would be to get that scope back to optical center asap.  Dont let it sit that far out.  Next would be to pick up a good single piece adjustable like Sportsmatch offers.  But if the looks bother you that much, then go with their adjustable 2-piece rings.

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« Reply #55 on: December 29, 2018, 10:54:56 AM »
Thanks a lot guys, I really appreciate the help.  This air guning is turning out to be a little more complex than I first thought.  It is a good challenge.  Sure am glad for all you fellas willing to share you expertise with us. Thanks
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Re: New Pro Sport, the good, the bad.
« Reply #56 on: December 29, 2018, 06:17:29 PM »
May be a silly question but can/did you try to attach your one piece mount the other way round?
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Re: New Pro Sport, the good, the bad.
« Reply #57 on: January 01, 2019, 02:34:24 AM »
Thanks a lot guys, I really appreciate the help.  This air guning is turning out to be a little more complex than I first thought.  It is a good challenge.  Sure am glad for all you fellas willing to share you expertise with us. Thanks
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« Reply #58 on: January 01, 2019, 12:30:52 PM »
I like shooting my springers mainly due to the fact that they require me to focus on my basic shooting skills and technique. That translates into better results no matter what rifle I pick up and shoot  ;D ;D
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« Reply #59 on: January 01, 2019, 01:23:45 PM »
I like shooting my springers mainly due to the fact that they require me to focus on my basic shooting skills and technique. That translates into better results no matter what rifle I pick up and shoot  ;D ;D

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