How do you "color" wood for fancy laminate stock build?



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How do you "color" wood for fancy laminate stock build?
« on: August 11, 2018, 04:15:24 PM »
I just love looking at those beautiful minelli custom laminate stocks on AirArms S510 and those Daystate redwolf black and red stocks are sweet.
I was curious if anybody knows an easy way to make or color your own wood blanks to make your own custom laminate stock?
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Re: How do you "color" wood for fancy laminate stock build?
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2018, 04:30:17 PM »
All of the commercial "colored" laminated stocks are actually PRE-DYED in sheet form before being laminated into the thick ply that makes up the blank.
Those done in solid colors only shift the look as different layers & grain structure / direction get cut into.
Those done in different colored layers is what gives the WILD looks !!

Most laminate stock are made with BIRCH which is very blond & also willing to accept water based dye and still allow the bonding adhesive to penetrate and glue the layers together.

Having a finished stock TOTALLY RAW not having a previous finish on it ( So the wood pores are completely open ) Or one very carefully sanded, solvent wicked of remaining trace finish to get the wood opened up.
Lighter the wood is while in the RAW, better will be the color used to dye remaining that color once soaked in and dry.

There are wood prep products to aid in the woods surface prep so color is set/taken in by the wood more evenly.
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Re: How do you "color" wood for fancy laminate stock build?
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2018, 04:40:10 PM »
Thanks Motorhead
Sounds like I need to do some "googling" and read up on what you are speaking of.
Dumb question, but wonder if water based "RIT" dye would soak up well in birch from Lowes?
And reckon what would happen when you "wet" the wood with glue on the blanks, if the wetness of the glue would cause the color to run (bleed) from
one blank section to the other?
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Re: How do you "color" wood for fancy laminate stock build?
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2018, 04:50:59 PM »
Thanks Motorhead
Sounds like I need to do some "googling" and read up on what you are speaking of.
Dumb question, but wonder if water based "RIT" dye would soak up well in birch from Lowes?
And reckon what would happen when you "wet" the wood with glue on the blanks, if the wetness of the glue would cause the color to run (bleed) from
one blank section to the other?
Thanks
Ray
Don't know of the RIT dyes that you use on fabrics etc ... Those water based dies used on WOOD may or may not be similar ???
water based dyes are used because the solvents/ chemical makeup in the glues used don't react to the dried dyes.  So when differing colors are bonded there is no color bleed over.

This info is of my vague understanding and others with more info may even correct what i have stated, tho i believe it to be accurate.
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Re: How do you "color" wood for fancy laminate stock build?
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2018, 11:41:46 PM »
Thanks Motorhead
Sounds like I need to do some "googling" and read up on what you are speaking of.
Dumb question, but wonder if water based "RIT" dye would soak up well in birch from Lowes?
And reckon what would happen when you "wet" the wood with glue on the blanks, if the wetness of the glue would cause the color to run (bleed) from
one blank section to the other?
Thanks
Ray
Don't know of the RIT dyes that you use on fabrics etc ... Those water based dies used on WOOD may or may not be similar ???
water based dyes are used because the solvents/ chemical makeup in the glues used don't react to the dried dyes.  So when differing colors are bonded there is no color bleed over.

This info is of my vague understanding and others with more info may even correct what i have stated, tho i believe it to be accurate.

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Re: How do you "color" wood for fancy laminate stock build?
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2018, 02:25:16 AM »
The stuff for wood is traditionally called aniline dye(probably made of something else these days), should be available from Rockler, BUT it's tough to get dye to penetrate and color the wood through, otherwise when you start to shape the stock the layers will be light in the center.
You might ask in a woodturning forum, those bowl makers do a lot of work with contrasting layers.
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Re: How do you "color" wood for fancy laminate stock build?
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2018, 02:19:44 PM »
ray,

RIT dye will color beech from the HD/Lowes... itll also color 9 ply baltic birch (poor man' laminate). the beech CAN come out splotchy and uneven as the varying desnites of wood will affect absorbtion,,,

Ive had beeter luck with colored india ink thinnned with alcohol, but its still a cr@p shoot.

the baltic birch takes color well, but you have to do the coloring after shaping but before final sand and finishing

and yes qwater based glues (TiteBond) can make water based dyes/stains bleed. Depends on sooooooo many factors
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Re: How do you "color" wood for fancy laminate stock build?
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2018, 02:37:04 PM »
ray,

RIT dye will color beech from the HD/Lowes... itll also color 9 ply baltic birch (poor man' laminate). the beech CAN come out splotchy and uneven as the varying desnites of wood will affect absorbtion,,,

Ive had beeter luck with colored india ink thinnned with alcohol, but its still a cr@p shoot.

the baltic birch takes color well, but you have to do the coloring after shaping but before final sand and finishing

and yes qwater based glues (TiteBond) can make water based dyes/stains bleed. Depends on sooooooo many factors

Well that puts a new light on the situation.
Seems like its gonna be tougher than I originally thought.
Unless I just glue blanks together without the color and then just finish it in tru-oil.
Another thing I just thought of. When trying to dye the blanks do you spray it on or submerse it in the colored solution?
If you do that isn't it going to try and warp the thin blank before it gets dry enough to glue it to the other blanks?
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Re: How do you "color" wood for fancy laminate stock build?
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2018, 03:21:00 PM »
IVe sprayed it on and wiped it on.... really think dunking it would be best, but it required a container big enough and enough solution to cover it.....

Ive only done it on a shaped (but not final sanded) gunstock blank. not worked with indivudal layers.......
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Re: How do you "color" wood for fancy laminate stock build?
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2018, 03:40:37 PM »
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Re: How do you "color" wood for fancy laminate stock build?
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2018, 11:56:57 PM »
Wow, thanks.
that is really cool looking stuff.
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Re: How do you "color" wood for fancy laminate stock build?
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2019, 02:53:56 PM »
Ive done a bit of wood dyeing and have tried many options. Rit dye, fountain pen ink, food coloring will all work but i have found in my research that the color will fade a bit over time. Pretty much any woodworking supply has the proper alanine dyes. I beleive theres a metallic salt version that prevents fading. I dont remember all of the details exactly but mustof read hundreds of pages on it a few years ago. I ended up with a big box of nearly everycolor transfast glycerine based dye(the liquid one that mixes with water or alcohol). I can say after 3 years getting sun threw a window it still looks great. Ive used on cabinets, guitars, knife scales, jewlery boxes. I found that the cheapest option for a professional product
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Re: How do you "color" wood for fancy laminate stock build?
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2019, 05:49:19 PM »
I did these with food coloring and Trueoil to seal and finish it.
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