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Re: HW97--Better to buy 12ft/lb from factory??
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2018, 01:15:17 PM »
I'd buy the full power version if that's what you want. They're really nice at 12fpe but they don't not so good at full power either. This is one springer you should be able to shoot at full power with no issues at all. Weihrauch know how to do this one right.
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Re: HW97--Better to buy 12ft/lb from factory??
« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2018, 03:52:13 PM »
Kind of wish they pinned the endcap on them instead of the screw on cap.  Really the only thing I don't like about the gun.   Makes working on them a little annoying.       Minus that awesome shooter.
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Re: HW97--Better to buy 12ft/lb from factory??
« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2018, 11:54:59 PM »
Kind of wish they pinned the endcap on them instead of the screw on cap.  Really the only thing I don't like about the gun.   Makes working on them a little annoying.       Minus that awesome shooter.

If I’d had your “experience” with that end cap, I’d probably feel the same way. As it is I like everything about the rifle.
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Re: HW97--Better to buy 12ft/lb from factory??
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2018, 12:29:53 AM »
Kind of wish they pinned the endcap on them instead of the screw on cap.  Really the only thing I don't like about the gun.   Makes working on them a little annoying.       Minus that awesome shooter.

If I’d had your “experience” with that end cap, I’d probably feel the same way. As it is I like everything about the rifle.

My hand aside, just way easier pressing guns with pins (FAC at least).   With the setups they use in the UK it's looks like a breeze though.   Guys taking them down on their laps lol.   
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Re: HW97--Better to buy 12ft/lb from factory??
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2018, 11:34:45 PM »
Kind of wish they pinned the endcap on them instead of the screw on cap.  Really the only thing I don't like about the gun.   Makes working on them a little annoying.       Minus that awesome shooter.

If I’d had your “experience” with that end cap, I’d probably feel the same way. As it is I like everything about the rifle.

My hand aside, just way easier pressing guns with pins (FAC at least).   With the setups they use in the UK it's looks like a breeze though.   Guys taking them down on their laps lol.   

Well actually, watching alot of videos of those fellows across the pond hunting with their 12 ft/lb airguns got me really looking harder at them.
Shots out to past 50 yards are made with relative ease.  I've been bunny hunting for the past 3 years with two different 12 ft/lb airguns.
One of them is my de-tuned Crosman Storm XT in .177. The other is a modified 2240 thats running off a regulated .13cu.in. bottle with a .177 discovery barrel.
But I just can't shake the itch I have to want to own a fine German under-lever spring rifle.
There has been way more stuff I've read about them shooting better at 12 ft/lb or less, than it has been shooting full power.

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Re: HW97--Better to buy 12ft/lb from factory??
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2018, 01:29:05 AM »
Kind of wish they pinned the endcap on them instead of the screw on cap.  Really the only thing I don't like about the gun.   Makes working on them a little annoying.       Minus that awesome shooter.

If I’d had your “experience” with that end cap, I’d probably feel the same way. As it is I like everything about the rifle.

My hand aside, just way easier pressing guns with pins (FAC at least).   With the setups they use in the UK it's looks like a breeze though.   Guys taking them down on their laps lol.   

Well actually, watching alot of videos of those fellows across the pond hunting with their 12 ft/lb airguns got me really looking harder at them.
Shots out to past 50 yards are made with relative ease.  I've been bunny hunting for the past 3 years with two different 12 ft/lb airguns.
One of them is my de-tuned Crosman Storm XT in .177. The other is a modified 2240 thats running off a regulated .13cu.in. bottle with a .177 discovery barrel.
But I just can't shake the itch I have to want to own a fine German under-lever spring rifle.
There has been way more stuff I've read about them shooting better at 12 ft/lb or less, than it has been shooting full power.

Thanks
Ray
I know your thinking about the HW97K.  12 fpe tunes in these guns is great.  Mine is full power but I have the internals to swap to detuned should I desire.  I have a 12 fpe HW77K and 2 HW95s at the same power.  They are easier to cock and shoot accurately.  You aren’t giving anything up be moving down to the lower power level.  You are actually gaining a better shooting experience and more enjoyable rifle.  Don’t be afraid of the lower fps.  Once you go there you won’t miss it.  12 fpe in .177 still packs a wallop. 
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Re: HW97--Better to buy 12ft/lb from factory??
« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2018, 02:55:52 AM »
I'll find out eventually. Want to grab  gun for field target and that will be 12 fpe.   Either another 97k or a tx 200. Not sure yet :/

Either way it will have a vortek or arh kit in it.   
Kind of wish they pinned the endcap on them instead of the screw on cap.  Really the only thing I don't like about the gun.   Makes working on them a little annoying.       Minus that awesome shooter.

If I’d had your “experience” with that end cap, I’d probably feel the same way. As it is I like everything about the rifle.

My hand aside, just way easier pressing guns with pins (FAC at least).   With the setups they use in the UK it's looks like a breeze though.   Guys taking them down on their laps lol.   

Well actually, watching alot of videos of those fellows across the pond hunting with their 12 ft/lb airguns got me really looking harder at them.
Shots out to past 50 yards are made with relative ease.  I've been bunny hunting for the past 3 years with two different 12 ft/lb airguns.
One of them is my de-tuned Crosman Storm XT in .177. The other is a modified 2240 thats running off a regulated .13cu.in. bottle with a .177 discovery barrel.
But I just can't shake the itch I have to want to own a fine German under-lever spring rifle.
There has been way more stuff I've read about them shooting better at 12 ft/lb or less, than it has been shooting full power.

Thanks
Ray

You will like it, quickly became my favorite gun, loved it out of the box but with the vortek kit its even better.   

Next gun I get will be a 12 fpe for field target.   My vortek is adjustable but I'm so sick of taking it apart it will stay at full power for awhile lol.    But honestly it groups great at 50 yds with exact 8.4 gr 4.52 head size.   

Either way you can change the power anytime you want.  I'm sure you will be happy at 12 fpe.   

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Re: HW97--Better to buy 12ft/lb from factory??
« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2018, 09:03:18 AM »
I thought I would be disappointed with a 12 FPE gun, turns out I think I want to stay with 12 FPE for my .177 spring guns. For a .22 I think 700 FPS with a 16 grain pellet. I could be wrong as SWMBO says I always am.
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Re: HW97--Better to buy 12ft/lb from factory??
« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2018, 10:04:43 AM »
as SWMBO says I always am.

Booger-Rumpole of the Bailey is my reference, what is yours?

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Re: HW97--Better to buy 12ft/lb from factory??
« Reply #29 on: June 07, 2018, 10:57:36 AM »
So tell me fellows.
Is Krale gonna be my best best for a HW97?
As far as price?
And I been meaning to ask, Is there a noticeable difference in a 97K or a plain 97?
I've always heard the "K" meant carbine, so I'm assuming it has a shorter barrel?
It would seem that at 12 ft/lb a shorter barrel would mean shorter time for the pellet to be in the barrel during the shot cycle.
Just curious.
THanks
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Re: HW97--Better to buy 12ft/lb from factory??
« Reply #30 on: June 07, 2018, 12:27:07 PM »
as SWMBO says I always am.

Booger-Rumpole of the Bailey is my reference, what is yours?

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Re: HW97--Better to buy 12ft/lb from factory??
« Reply #31 on: June 07, 2018, 12:30:42 PM »
So tell me fellows.
Is Krale gonna be my best best for a HW97?
As far as price?
And I been meaning to ask, Is there a noticeable difference in a 97K or a plain 97?
I've always heard the "K" meant carbine, so I'm assuming it has a shorter barrel?
It would seem that at 12 ft/lb a shorter barrel would mean shorter time for the pellet to be in the barrel during the shot cycle.
Just curious.
THanks
Ray

Krale for new, buy used here and get a much better deal. It also might be tuned, so you can shoot and go.  ;D
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Re: HW97--Better to buy 12ft/lb from factory??
« Reply #32 on: June 07, 2018, 07:33:13 PM »
as SWMBO says I always am.

Booger-Rumpole of the Bailey is my reference, what is yours?

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Re: HW97--Better to buy 12ft/lb from factory??
« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2018, 11:36:38 PM »
So tell me fellows.
Is Krale gonna be my best best for a HW97?
As far as price?
And I been meaning to ask, Is there a noticeable difference in a 97K or a plain 97?
I've always heard the "K" meant carbine, so I'm assuming it has a shorter barrel?
It would seem that at 12 ft/lb a shorter barrel would mean shorter time for the pellet to be in the barrel during the shot cycle.
Just curious.
THanks
Ray

Yes, it will run you about $414 to your door. K stands for "kurz" meaning short in German.  There's no such thing as a "long" 97, they all have 300 mm barrels.  There is a regular or long 77, though, with a 100mm difference in barrel length, 470 vs. 370.  In comparing 97s and 77s, no one hardly ever seems to notice a difference in shooting characteristics, just the stock (always comparing K models, though).

I waited several months checking used adds for 97 and 77s and didn't find one as cheap as Krale, new.  But that was a couple of years ago.  The downward price pressure from Krale on US vendors and the used market may make it more likely that you find a used one under $400.  PA still wants nearly $700 for one, while AoA is down to $500 from $600.  Those prices have historically pumped up the used market.
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Re: HW97--Better to buy 12ft/lb from factory??
« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2018, 02:33:00 AM »
Sure there is such a thing like a long 97 version as well, else there wouldn't have to be a short version...

Have a look here:

https://www.versandhaus-schneider.de/product_info.php/cPath/40_1678_942_944_950_2042/products_id/21420

They are only kind of rare and hard to get.

Personally I like to shoot my "full power" 97 and don't have a need for a 12fpe one, other than to have a 12fpe version for shooting HFT competition according to the UK rules.

I have shot a 12fpe 97 once and hardly noticed any difference in recoil and shooting behaviour, we are talking about a 2fpe difference anyway...

A 12fpe 97 is a bit overrated IMHO, it is a very accuracte springer anyway. But that is because of its compact size. I could imagine 12fpe would work better for a 95 or 85, who are longer and more hold sensitive.

Krale is the best, you surely can buy one there !
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Re: HW97--Better to buy 12ft/lb from factory??
« Reply #35 on: June 09, 2018, 09:33:48 AM »
I suppose that is true, regarding the "Lang."  However, Weihrauch has not shown anything but a 300mm barrel K/kurz on their website in several years, at least three.  Some of the thumbhole versions omit the K designation, but still have a 300mm barrel.
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Re: HW97--Better to buy 12ft/lb from factory??
« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2018, 07:39:50 PM »
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Re: HW97--Better to buy 12ft/lb from factory??
« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2018, 10:44:53 AM »
Interesting observation.  The 77K and "L" have barrel lengths of 370 and 470mm, respectively, but the 77 has no "brake."


The 97K has a barrel length of 300mm (all according to Weihrauch site).  On a 97K, unlike the "Lang" pictured, the cocking lever and bracket terminate near the end of the brake, whereas that shows it substantially aft of the end of the brake.

It appears that Weihrauch reports barrel length exclusive of the brake, if any, as they should, and 385mm makes "eyeball" sense there.

70mm is 2.75 inches.  I am kind of surprised barrel length and any effects on accuracy or velocity between the 77K and 97K don't receive more discussion.  You would think there's some field target or other wonk that insists that the 77K barreled action is better than the 97K for this reason, but I have never seen it discussed.  You mostly see discussion of the older 77 with the smaller-diameter compression tube and the stocks.
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Re: HW97--Better to buy 12ft/lb from factory??
« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2018, 04:17:18 PM »
TwiceHorn,

I understand that the AA TX 200 has a 10.5" barrel.

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Re: HW97--Better to buy 12ft/lb from factory??
« Reply #39 on: June 10, 2018, 09:52:38 PM »
Longer barrels only slow down a pellet in a spring powered air rifle, longer barrels add weight and length to a spring gun! The only thing a longer barrel on a spring gun does is either aides as cocking leverage for a break barrel or a longer sight radius if using iron sights, spring piston air rifles only need 10" of barrel to reach maxium velocity!!! Longer barrels create drag on pellets,  :P
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