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jrexa
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Happy Again: Listone LAP-1 4.5mm PCP Pistol
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January 17, 2018, 09:13:20 PM »
After a long wait, and a lost package, it looks like I will finally get get the Listone LAP-1, 4.5mm Pistol, that I ordered in October 2017
Thank God, for Insured Shipping, and good service, from the Seller.
The replacement, for the lost package, with hand pumps, and trigger mechanisms, should arrive, no later than Friday.
The factory says, that it will do around 50 shots, at 200 m/s(656fps)
At A Taiwan Legal setting (2 Joule) It should do 250 shots, according to Facebook Translate
A Walther LP400, with a slightly smaller tank(93ccm), should do 180 shots, at 7.5 Joule....
Tank is 200 BAR and 0.115L
Here is some pics, from the factory, the specs, and the parts, that I have received.
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jrexa
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Re: Finally getting back, into Airguns: Listone LAP-1 4.5mm PCP
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January 17, 2018, 09:23:13 PM »
When I receive it, I will test number of shots, and consistency, using my Caldwell Ballistic Precision Chronograph
I will try, both at maximum speed, and at around 140 m/s
I will try for some accuracy, at 8-10 meters (maximum, in my living room), with the pistol bolted, to a rest.
Spring in Greenland, is in May/June...
Accuracy, will be both at max mv and at around 140 m/s
Currently I only have some cheap pellets, some rebranded H&N Exite Economy(7.48 grains), and some Gamo Pistol Cup (6.48 grain)
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jrexa
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Re: Finally getting back, into Airguns: Listone LAP-1 4.5mm PCP
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January 17, 2018, 09:28:25 PM »
Looking at manuals and parts Diagrams, the Pistol is a cross between an Hämmerli AP20, and a Walther LP400 Club.
The Trigger adjustment, is clearly stolen, from the AP20, but it looks like the Regulator, is based on the LP400.
The Grip is Ambidextrous and "improved" from the AP20/LP400 Plastic Grip, with an Added Adjustable Thumprest.
Rear Sight blade can be turned 180 degrees, and has 2 widths.
Front sight is triangular, with 3 different widths, and can be moved froward/rearwards, for about 2".
The Pump is a 3 stage, that should be good for 300 BAR, but I only need 200 BAR.
I don't have easy access, to a compressor.
I guess that for pumping a 115ccm/7cui cylinder, it wont overtax a man at 6'7" and 300 pounds.
One Advice I got, regarding using a Hand pump is: Take it Easy Man, Take it EASY. Overheating can kill a pump. FAST.
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Rob M
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Re: Finally getting back, into Airguns: Listone LAP-1 4.5mm PCP Pistol
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January 17, 2018, 09:55:57 PM »
WOW , ive seen a couple different listone pistols and they do a very nice job for the pricing !
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Re: Finally getting back, into Airguns: Listone LAP-1 4.5mm PCP Pistol
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January 17, 2018, 09:57:33 PM »
That is nice!
What did you pay for it?
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jrexa
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Re: Finally getting back, into Airguns: Listone LAP-1 4.5mm PCP Pistol
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January 18, 2018, 11:11:46 AM »
I got the pistols and pumps, at dealer prices, because I have a small company.
And because it is a new product, there was a special introductionary offer. (Got the 100 piece price, even for ordering only 3)
I will only say, that they are much less, than half the price, of the cheapest Hämmerli AP20.
I ordered 3 pistols and 3 pumps.
Shipping alone(FedEx), is US$ 300, for a set like that.
Shipping, to Greenland, is VERY expensive.
You will need to contact Listone directly, for your price, or find a stocking dealer.
Listone (Sylvia) Is very good to deal with.
They both have a Web Page And a facebook Page. Sorry. I am not allowed to link to those.
But unless you order by the container load, they need to ship as 2 packages, with FedEx.
Regulations makes it impossible for them, to send complete Air weapons, by Air.
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jrexa
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Re: Finally getting back, into Airguns: Listone LAP-1 4.5mm PCP Pistol
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January 18, 2018, 11:15:54 AM »
Power adjustment screw, is the one in the Circle.
Depending on pellet weight, MV can be adjusted, from around 100 m/s(328 fps) to 200 m/s(656fps)
The ones I am getting, should be adjusted, at around 185m/s.
(Aug. 1'st 2018)
Added pic of adjustment screw and Adjustment lock screw, from one of my pistols.
I unscrewed the Lock screw, for around 2 turns.
And I had to use quite a bit of force, the first time.
I had mine adjusted in testing, from 58 m/s to 220 m/s with Exite Econ pellets.
It is currently set, at around 140 m/s
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Rob M
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Re: Finally getting back, into Airguns: Listone LAP-1 4.5mm PCP Pistol
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January 18, 2018, 11:16:19 AM »
a friend of mine ordered from listone.. expect to pay about half what you would in the US , and the shipping to the US is far cheaper. .. a fire arrow ( detuned condor ) is about 250 USD plus shipping. maybe he will chime in.
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jrexa
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Re: Finally getting back, into Airguns: Listone LAP-1 4.5mm PCP Pistol
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Reply #8 on:
January 18, 2018, 11:53:45 AM »
Originally, I was looking at the Listone Victor
But I was recommended to look at the LAP-1, because the LAP-1 has a regulator, where the Victor, is less advanced.
The LAP-1 is also around twice the price, of the Listone Victor.
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Re: Finally getting back, into Airguns: Listone LAP-1 4.5mm PCP Pistol
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January 18, 2018, 01:54:37 PM »
I have 3 guns and one of their chronographs. Overall good qualtiy for the money. My issue was I orderd tow guns, the chrony and another item that tripped the customs threshold of involvement and it got snickety.
The aforementioned FireArrows (thanks Rob) have been a pain to get up to US power levels--evne with replacememt spsrings from Talon Tunes. Have it narrowed don to the valve in the bottle. Also have one of their Alfa Proj clones (in CO2), awesome gun with a couple minor issues..... Both are worth the money IF you have the means to get them past the leagl low power they come from......
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jrexa
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Re: Finally getting back, into Airguns: Listone LAP-1 4.5mm PCP Pistol
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Reply #10 on:
January 18, 2018, 09:56:04 PM »
The Alfa Proj. Clone is the Listone Victor. (Thanks. so THAT was where I Recognized it from)
And Yes, they are limited to 2 Joule, when made for sale, in Taiwan.
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jrexa
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Re: Finally getting back, into Airguns: Listone LAP-1 4.5mm PCP Pistol
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January 18, 2018, 09:58:46 PM »
Here is pictures, of my Unboxing, and Assembling
They are Ambidextrous, and the red one is set up, in Left Handed Mode.
It takes around 2 minutes, to change.
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jrexa
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Re: Finally getting back, into Airguns: Listone LAP-1 4.5mm PCP Pistol
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Reply #12 on:
January 18, 2018, 10:06:34 PM »
Just fired a test shot, against a nearby snowdrift.
First impression: It is NOISY! (ok, it is 11PM, and no sound, in the area)
Quality wise, I am satisfied, It looks to be a good buy, for the money.
During the Weekend, I expect to find out, what number of shots I get, on a filling, and what MV, it is set at.
I expect, that to train, at home, I need to detune it, a "bit"
I will likely go for around 7 Joule
I will only use it, for paper punching, at around 10 meters.
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jrexa
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Re: Finally getting back, into Airguns: Listone LAP-1 4.5mm PCP Pistol
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January 23, 2018, 09:19:21 AM »
First, very quick test results.
The Silver Gun, was adjusted to 200 m/s
The Blue and Red one, at around 185 m/s.
I have played with the regulator, on the Silver gun, and a quick test shows that the adjustment range is around 55 m/s to 205 m/s
It is currently adjusted at 140 m/s
Testing is done with 7.48 Grains H&N Excite Econ. (Branded as Norica Match)
Chrono is a Caldwell Precision Chronograph.
I haven't done any accuracy testing yet. Work keeps getting in the way.
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jrexa
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Re: Finally getting back, into Airguns: Listone LAP-1 4.5mm PCP Pistol
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Reply #14 on:
July 31, 2018, 04:04:32 PM »
Finally giving up, on getting ANY support, from Listone.
My 3 pistols all crush match pellets(H&N Excite Econ and Gamo Pistol Cup Premium), when loaded, and the barrel is held horisontal.
9 out of 10 pellets are crushed.
My guess is, that the loading ramp, is too short, and there is a sharp edge, where the pellets enters the chamber. My guess is, that the sharp edge is around 0.5-1mm
Because of that, accuracy, when put in a vice, is around 3-4 inches, at 10 meters. NOT Acceptable, for a regulated PCP Match Air Pistol.
Second problem is, that at 140m/s, Point of Impact is 3-4 inches higher, than it should be, at 10 meters. I have calculated, that I need a front sight, that is aprox 7mm taller, than the ones I have.
I have tried getting support from them, since January 2018, but when I get in touch with them, they keep saying next week.
I finally contacted them, on Facebook, and on Friday, June 15'th, I finally got in touch with them.
They gave me a long bad song, about a person, that had left the company, without leaving any info.
They told me, that I would be contacted, by a Technician, on Monday, June 18'th... I asked for the service they promised, about 1 time a week, for 3 weeks, and in week 4, they had me blocked, from writing to them, on Facebook.
I Am trying to modify a barrel, myself, so that it might work.
After that, I will see, what I can do, for the front sight.
Any tips on modifications, to the chamber is welcome.
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Re: Finally getting back, into Airguns: Listone LAP-1 4.5mm PCP Pistol
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July 31, 2018, 05:37:56 PM »
The first thing I would do is remove the barrel for a cleaning and inspecting . If there is some sort of burr , Try to remove the burr with a Dremel or similar tool . Sorry to hear of the bad deal you got with listone . I’ve never heard of them , and now with your post I’ll never buy one .
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jrexa
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Re: Finally getting back, into Airguns: Listone LAP-1 4.5mm PCP Pistol
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July 31, 2018, 05:50:57 PM »
Here are some pictures, from those i sent, to Listone.
From what I can see and feel, there are no burs. (lint is from paper towels, used for cleaning)
And the crushing, is more than a bur would do.
My plan is to grind/polish the edge of the chamber around 0.5mm to 1mm larger, to make a ramp
My personal guess is, that the frame I have, is actually, for a .22"/5.5mm Pistol...
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Re: Problem Air pistol and no service: Listone LAP-1 4.5mm PCP Pistol
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July 31, 2018, 07:11:27 PM »
I was thinking the skirts were deforming . They must be hard to chamber for damage like that to occur ?
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Re: Problem Air pistol and no service: Listone LAP-1 4.5mm PCP Pistol
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July 31, 2018, 07:40:18 PM »
Have you tried domed pellets?
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Re: Problem Air pistol and no service: Listone LAP-1 4.5mm PCP Pistol
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July 31, 2018, 07:47:08 PM »
for me i am happy with them
good quality and i have 3 airfoce clone and no issues
to get full power i have bougth a regulator and tank from aliexpress
https://www.airrifle.co.za/threads/30315-Setting-up-an-Airforce-Condor/page12
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