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Rob M · « **Reply #40 on:** October 20, 2017, 09:09:17 PM »

nothing too drastic there.. but , if we compared the swept volume and force required to move the swept volume of each gun it might be expected that the 700 has 3 x the lever length

Sky · « **Reply #41 on:** October 20, 2017, 09:23:40 PM »

Quote from: Rob M on October 20, 2017, 09:09:17 PM

nothing too drastic there.. but , if we compared the swept volume and force required to move the swept volume of each gun it might be expected that the 700 has 3 x the lever length

I (edit) CAN'T measure the air volume with the accuracy needed to get good numbers there. What jumps out to me is the length of the cocking pivot to the Piston pivot on the 700. The longer that is the harder the pump will be (I think). I added about 6" to the cocking lever on the 700, and if I pump it using 3-4 inches of the extension it's as easy to get to 8 pumps as the 13xx is to get to 10, perhaps a bit easier.

So I still think they screwed up the geometry. A shorter piston stroke and 10 pumps or a longer lever to crank on.

Rob M · « **Reply #42 on:** October 20, 2017, 09:26:43 PM »

yea,, the longer " toggle " as its sometimes called equates to a longer stroke of the piston.. this is also the case in the older crosman 1400 but that's using a far smaller piston for the long stroke.. the fact that its now easy, means power mods are limitless.

Sky · « **Reply #43 on:** October 20, 2017, 09:27:16 PM »

This is what I was thinking of:
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2016/12/pump-assist-benjamin-392-part-1/

Rob M · « **Reply #44 on:** October 20, 2017, 09:36:32 PM »

I recall seeing pics of that super-linkage..not sure how practical it is , especially when you already made the extended lever. Now the turboair pump linkage is kinda cool , but again I don't see it being practical for standing up and pumping.. it would require body weight.

Sky · « **Reply #45 on:** October 20, 2017, 09:38:05 PM »

Yeah not practical at all. I was just trying to dredge up the picture from 2008 or so.

Hoosier Daddy · « **Reply #46 on:** October 20, 2017, 09:55:12 PM »

While I respect all you efforts and abilities. I am not of the same mindset on a new gun.
If I bought a new vehicle that was supposed to take me from point A to point B on the 4 lane Highway... but for some reason I could not push the accelerator enough to get past 40 MPH, I would not look for ways to modify it.

*EDIT*

I don't mean to sound like a Troll, and I know most here like to tinker with our Airguns.
I think this particular one had a flaw that might have benefited SPA to know they had an issue if it had been returned.

avator · « **Reply #47 on:** October 21, 2017, 08:47:33 AM »

I got pumpers coming out my ying and my yang. What I don't have is a repeater pumper that will sling a .22 pellet at 500 fps with 4 pumps, all wood and metal and can swap mags with several other guns I own.. I'm still in.
Besides that, who says I can't pump it easier than the next guy. I eat Wheaties w/Budweiser for breakfast.
Sky... ever owned a Sheridan? Be interesting to know how you would compare pumping one to the SPA at 8 pumps. If you are comparing in to those Crosman pumpers you have, I can see your point. I know guys that lay the Sheridan upside down on their lap to pump them.. Personally, I rarely pump a Sheridan past 5 pumps. I highly doubt I would pump the LR700W past that very often either.

gendoc · « **Reply #48 on:** October 21, 2017, 09:00:39 AM »

Quote from: avator on October 21, 2017, 08:47:33 AM

I got pumpers coming out my ying and my yang. What I don't have is a repeater pumper that will sling a .22 pellet at 500 fps with 4 pumps, all wood and metal and can swap mags with several other guns I own.. I'm still in.
Besides that, who says I can't pump it easier than the next guy. I eat Wheaties w/Budweiser for breakfast.

i'm with you on this Bill, especially the breakfast of champions.........

avator · « **Reply #49 on:** October 21, 2017, 09:17:02 AM »

Well, we've seen some of the manufacturers coming out with break barrel repeaters lately but I don't see any repeating pumpers. I may have missed one. I like the idea of a completely self contained pester/small game hunter that I don't have to fiddle with single pellet loading. You don't have the recoil and hold sensitivity of a springer, the temp sensitivity of C02 or the support equipment of a PCP. Just grab a few mags and hit the backyard/field/woods. 4 - 5 pumps between shots ain't a deal breaker for me. If they are like the Varmint and Plinkster in weight and design, they will be very comfortable to carry and shoot. I'd probably even go with a peep sight.

Hoosier Daddy · « **Reply #50 on:** October 21, 2017, 09:24:36 AM »

You silver tongued dickens you...

avator · « **Reply #51 on:** October 21, 2017, 09:34:56 AM »

Just the facts .. ma'am.

Sky · « **Reply #52 on:** October 21, 2017, 04:51:48 PM »

Quote from: avator on October 21, 2017, 08:47:33 AM

I got pumpers coming out my ying and my yang. What I don't have is a repeater pumper that will sling a .22 pellet at 500 fps with 4 pumps, all wood and metal and can swap mags with several other guns I own.. I'm still in.
Besides that, who says I can't pump it easier than the next guy. I eat Wheaties w/Budweiser for breakfast.
Sky... ever owned a Sheridan? Be interesting to know how you would compare pumping one to the SPA at 8 pumps. If you are comparing in to those Crosman pumpers you have, I can see your point. I know guys that lay the Sheridan upside down on their lap to pump them.. Personally, I rarely pump a Sheridan past 5 pumps. I highly doubt I would pump the LR700W past that very often either.

After cleaning and dialing in the piston I'm getting 590 with 4 pumps. And the pumping was fine for 4.

I used to be a steel worker, and am still pretty strong. Not quite 40. So I don't think it was a me thing. I've never pumped a Sheridan though.

gendoc · « **Reply #53 on:** October 21, 2017, 05:04:33 PM »

i have gotta have one of these....3 pumps will do me great for frogs...

when are they going to arrive in the U.S. ??

Sfttailrdr46 · « **Reply #54 on:** October 21, 2017, 05:22:24 PM »

Just stop all you silver tongued enablers. Any repeater is a ball to shoot as stated load a couple extra mags and good to go. I am waiting on the Hatsan under lever repeater and probably the hefty semi auto pistol as well so a multi shot pumper can have a slot in my collection.

Sky · « **Reply #55 on:** October 21, 2017, 08:30:39 PM »

Just a couple more bits.

I took the stock off again for reasons and looked at part #40, the trigger base. It is a block that never screwed in tightly to the bottom tube. I applied just a few inch pounds and it found deeper threads, and cinched up to the tube.

I also realized that my pump handle would never match so I painted the wood

my son loved it.

After cinching up the trigger base the poi shifted markedly left, and groups tightened up a bit. Last shot string with 4 pumps averages 584 with 7 shots +-4 fps. Very consistent.

I don't know if I mentioned the magazine...it takes a little practice, but it loads pellets better than the tray, and is long enough for any pellet I've ever seen.

Sky · « **Reply #56 on:** October 21, 2017, 08:50:20 PM »

Quote from: Hoosier Daddy on October 20, 2017, 09:55:12 PM

While I respect all you efforts and abilities. I am not of the same mindset on a new gun.
If I bought a new vehicle that was supposed to take me from point A to point B on the 4 lane Highway... but for some reason I could not push the accelerator enough to get past 40 MPH, I would not look for ways to modify it.

*EDIT*

I don't mean to sound like a Troll, and I know most here like to tinker with our Airguns.
I think this particular one had a flaw that might have benefited SPA to know they had an issue if it had been returned.

I didn't think you were trolling. Fwiw I emailed SPA/Aremis and Diana with the basics of this thread and the link to it.

I like the rifle, I don't think I've said that either....it's not really a 250$ (as shipped) rifle. But once direct imports begin it should be cheap and worth the price.

Rob M · « **Reply #57 on:** October 21, 2017, 09:35:48 PM »

a lot of those parts look quite familiar .. the barrel band , the little valve block etc.. So they are using a lot of the same parts for the plinkster, the varmint , and the 700 pumper.

Sky · « **Reply #58 on:** October 21, 2017, 10:04:28 PM »

After tightening the block at the same 11 yds.

It is pretty sensitive to any pressure. This was the best of three.

avator · « **Reply #59 on:** October 22, 2017, 11:03:04 AM »

584 at 4 just puts a candle on the top of the cupcake.

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LR700W Initial Review

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