358/357/356 Swage slug now available in 95 grain | Slayer | Texan | Recluse



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Finally got this slug into production.  First offering is in 95 grain.  More weights coming in the future.  79 grain will be next weight offered.  79 grains is what we tested in the Cricket with great results.  It also is very close to the weight of a 35 grain pellet.

One of my casting machines is down for the count and that machine is required to make bigger cores  for heavier weights.  My backup machine does not have the clearance and would need different pins to make the heaver weights. When my main machine gets back to me I can use the pins I have to make bigger cores which will allow me to make bigger slugs.

So far we have tested in the following guns and sizing:

Slayer .358
Texan .357
TJ Barrel in my Texan .358
Recluse .358
Cricket .357 (.356 may be better, awaiting results from tester)

I have sent for testing in Bulldog sized .357 and will update if it shoot well or not when I get results back.



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Great! I may order some. Any plan to offer swaged in .358 sized 130-140 grain?
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Yes, when my machine gets back for making cores I will offer in 120 and 140.
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These 95gr really zip out of the slayer.
Well over 1000 fps and that's on last shot if I remember right.

I ran 2 clips over the chrono.
Shipping was pretty fast also.

Tom tuned my gun for 6 shots (probably same tune on all slayers he sales).
One could probably turn the gun down and pick up a few extra shots if you wanted with this smaller bullet over the 128gr the slayer is tuned to.

Just got off work.....today is my birthday so I took off at 1:00, I have a job to go look at then maybe I can have the rest of day off. If not I'll try to take off tomorrow.

Maybe I can try out how these shoot on a target.
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Nick I wouldn't mind being a tester for the 120 gr if you need any testers.

When your able to make them that is.
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And 35 cal Hercules (1 day I'll finish the tune) it's up to 20 shots now. Think I have to go in it 1 more time to be good.

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I will let you know when i get my machine back for the 120 grain.  I do have 5000 cores ready to swage  these 95s.

Btw, today is my birthday too. Happy birthday.
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45 Texan, 35 Texan, Recluse, Wolverine 303, AF Condor 257 by Doug Noble, Cricket 25 @67 ft lbs, Condor 25, Condor 22, Wolverine 22 HP 63 ft lbs, FX Indy 22, Wolverine .177, Condor .177, BSA R10 177, AA 177 and more, Bauer Oceanus

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Nick drove up to the shop about a month ago to test these bullets at our test range.  He had various weights in both 3570 and 3580.  It was instantly obvious that the 3580 diameter bullets out performed the 3570 in the accuracy department; this was true for all weights.

All the test bullets had  dished bases, I suggested to Nick to make them flat based for the Slayer to avoid damage to the base from handling and to make sure the probe would push them completely past the transfer port.  Nick had a new base die made and now we the flat base versions. 

I sent our Pro Staff member, Claudio of Patagonia Airguns Chile, some 105 and 140 grns to test.  Here are his results with the 140 gn in the Slayer....


I have done extensive testing with the 95 gn out to 400 yards.  I have made 4 consecutive hits on a 6" steel plate that measured just under 4"!  Corbin, the manufacturer of the dies and presses for swaged ammo, makes the claim that the swaged bullet will have superior roundness and center of gravity compared to cast.  I don't know if this is always true but the consistency of these are excellent.

When Nick was here for testing we did some tethered chrony testing.  We found that the swaged had  roughly 4% less velocity than their equivalent cast counterparts.  Although they were slower, the shot to shot consistency was alway within 2-3 fps.  Swaged designs have more overall drag but seem to be more consistent in velocity than cast.  Like all things, there are compromises.

One note about the 95 and 105 gn in the Slayer.  It has been reported that these very short bullets may slide back over the transfer port during the probe retracting cycle and cause inconsistent velocities.  I have not experienced this but one of my customers has.  The Slayer's chamber was designed for longer bullets and these short ones do not engage the rifling leade when chambered, they sit about .1" behind the lead and are only held in the chambers by a very slight friction which makes it possible to move back over the transfer port if the muzzle is pointed up.  One solution is to carry muzzle down when possible.  We are looking at redesigning the chamber dimensions to make this possibility impossible.  I must say, the 95s at 1100 fps are deadly accurate and get to the target extremely fast; the resulting sonic wiz out to the targets past 200 yards is quite amusing as well.

Tom

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One more pic I received from Claudio.

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I will let you know when i get my machine back for the 120 grain.  I do have 5000 cores ready to swage  these 95s.

Btw, today is my birthday too. Happy birthday.


Happy birthday to you also.

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And 35 cal Hercules (1 day I'll finish the tune) it's up to 20 shots now. Think I have to go in it 1 more time to be good.

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What psi is he running to get 940 fps out of 140gr?

My best is 925 fps with 128 gr and over 1050 fps with these 95 gr.

You have a 4000-4500 psi tank in the works?
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And 35 cal Hercules (1 day I'll finish the tune) it's up to 20 shots now. Think I have to go in it 1 more time to be good.

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3800 I believe.  the Slayer can be turned up quite a bit at 3800 psi

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I will let you know when i get my machine back for the 120 grain.  I do have 5000 cores ready to swage  these 95s.

Btw, today is my birthday too. Happy birthday.

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Nick drove up to the shop about a month ago to test these bullets at our test range.  He had various weights in both 3570 and 3580.  It was instantly obvious that the 3580 diameter bullets out performed the 3570 in the accuracy department; this was true for all weights.

All the test bullets had  dished bases, I suggested to Nick to make them flat based for the Slayer to avoid damage to the base from handling and to make sure the probe would push them completely past the transfer port.  Nick had a new base die made and now we the flat base versions. 

I sent our Pro Staff member, Claudio of Patagonia Airguns Chile, some 105 and 140 grns to test.  Here are his results with the 140 gn in the Slayer....


I have done extensive testing with the 95 gn out to 400 yards.  I have made 4 consecutive hits on a 6" steel plate that measured just under 4"!  Corbin, the manufacturer of the dies and presses for swaged ammo, makes the claim that the swaged bullet will have superior roundness and center of gravity compared to cast.  I don't know if this is always true but the consistency of these are excellent.

When Nick was here for testing we did some tethered chrony testing.  We found that the swaged had  roughly 4% less velocity than their equivalent cast counterparts.  Although they were slower, the shot to shot consistency was alway within 2-3 fps.  Swaged designs have more overall drag but seem to be more consistent in velocity than cast.  Like all things, there are compromises.

One note about the 95 and 105 gn in the Slayer.  It has been reported that these very short bullets may slide back over the transfer port during the probe retracting cycle and cause inconsistent velocities.  I have not experienced this but one of my customers has.  The Slayer's chamber was designed for longer bullets and these short ones do not engage the rifling leade when chambered, they sit about .1" behind the lead and are only held in the chambers by a very slight friction which makes it possible to move back over the transfer port if the muzzle is pointed up.  One solution is to carry muzzle down when possible.  We are looking at redesigning the chamber dimensions to make this possibility impossible.  I must say, the 95s at 1100 fps are deadly accurate and get to the target extremely fast; the resulting sonic wiz out to the targets past 200 yards is quite amusing as well.

Tom

For sure some great looking groups from the Slayer.  I have to say this new bullet has performed well beyond my expectations.  I have received all good feedback from quite a few different guns, speeds distances.  This design seems to really work.

I don't think I have seen better groups posted from the Slayer, Claudio seems to be able to lay down the lead.
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Are these lighter rounds grouping well at all in the Texan .357?  I shot a bag already of the 180s I bought from Neilson Specialty Ammo and they grouped well, but FPS was around 850-875.  I really want a lighter round with flatter trajectory that will group well.  JSBs and Polymags were horrible - but that was at the stock powerwheel setting.  I may try those 81gr lighter pellets again but with a different Powerwheel setting. 
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Send me a PM.  I need to try these in a stock 357 Texan and I already rebarreled my gun.  I can send you test bullets out.
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Re: 358/357/356 Swage slug now available in 95 grain | Slayer | Texan | Recluse
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2017, 03:45:43 PM »
Have these slugs been tested thru the Hatsan Carnivore?  Specifically the 95 gr.
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Re: 358/357/356 Swage slug now available in 95 grain | Slayer | Texan | Recluse
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2018, 09:06:22 PM »
Hate to necro post, but wondering if anyone ever tried any of these different slug versions in a Hatsan?  I got my Hercules back out and started playing with it again.  Looking for a decent slug to shoot.  I think I read that hatsan's like .356 sizing.  Anyone know for sure?

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