A top ( production only )pumper list with slightly different perameters

[Rob112o]

I agree with the mention of the crosman 1400 since it seems like an all around wonderful multi-pump. Also it's steel rather than brass which can be considered a plus although depends on the person perhaps.  The only annoying thing about the 1400 is that the valves are similar size to the pistol 13xx valves , I wish they made them with bigger valves.

Yes similar in size, but you can dump more air/pumps(higher fps) from your 140/1400 then you could with a 13xx valve. If that's what you are after, higher fps. The trigger will get much harder to squeeze however.

[bantam5s]

I agree with the mention of the crosman 1400 since it seems like an all around wonderful multi-pump. Also it's steel rather than brass which can be considered a plus although depends on the person perhaps.  The only annoying thing about the 1400 is that the valves are similar size to the pistol 13xx valves , I wish they made them with bigger valves.

Yes similar in size, but you can dump more air/pumps(higher fps) from your 140/1400 then you could with a 13xx valve. If that's what you are after, higher fps. The trigger will get much harder to squeeze however.

The 1400 looks like a gun I'd definitely like to own.
Ol' blue will always be the king of my arsenal, but I could definitely see myself having fun with a 1400.

[Tweaker]

I agree with the mention of the crosman 1400 since it seems like an all around wonderful multi-pump. Also it's steel rather than brass which can be considered a plus although depends on the person perhaps.  The only annoying thing about the 1400 is that the valves are similar size to the pistol 13xx valves , I wish they made them with bigger valves.

Yes similar in size, but you can dump more air/pumps(higher fps) from your 140/1400 then you could with a 13xx valve. If that's what you are after, higher fps. The trigger will get much harder to squeeze however.

Yea would be mainly just for the fps. Does the dump valves give higher fps for the same volume ? In terms of valve volume and trigger the benjamin 39x do have the advantage.

[johnnyfoos]

Crosman  Model One
One of the best Crosman made.

Crosman 66's
Very hard shooters and not hard to find
(easy loaded also)

Webley Rebel  .22
Very powerful pumper

Love my 84 "C" series
(C is for cannon)
{nothing wrong with stock iron sights}

Also love my many 13XX's
even the "stock" 1322
("stock" being 2100 hammer spring and pinned valve with tricked trigger parts all crosman stock numbers)
{left it stock to fit a shoulder holster I have}

760's are for parts imho

880 are for kids  imho

$0.02

[bantam5s]

Crosman  Model One
One of the best Crosman made.

Crosman 66's
Very hard shooters and not hard to find
(easy loaded also)

Webley Rebel  .22
Very powerful pumper

Love my 84 "C" series
(C is for cannon)
{nothing wrong with stock iron sights}

Also love my many 13XX's
even the "stock" 1322
("stock" being 2100 hammer spring and pinned valve with tricked trigger parts all crosman stock numbers)
{left it stock to fit a shoulder holster I have}

760's are for parts imho

880 are for kids  imho

$0.02

Have you owned and shot an 880 with an improved trigger ?
Theyve got a good lop and are accurate, what else do you need for a plinker ?

Btw the top guns were already chosen.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=125513.msg1227771#msg1227771

[avator]

I wouldn't say they were "chosen" as in "written in stone". A poll could be taken on any given day with different results.

[johnnyfoos]

"owned and shot an 880"
Yes,
I have three brown and one black
But only three working ones as of now
One just stopped pumping
DO HAVE a couple of repair kits from Daisy
Ordered when getting 953 parts
or when getting extra rear sight for 953
(great replacement for Webley Rebel broken sight)

Just so many other Airguns I'd rather shoot or work on.


$0.02

[bantam5s]

"owned and shot an 880"
Yes,
I have three brown and one black
But only three working ones as of now
One just stopped pumping
DO HAVE a couple of repair kits from Daisy
Ordered when getting 953 parts
or when getting extra rear sight for 953
(great replacement for Webley Rebel broken sight)

Just so many other Airguns I'd rather shoot or work on.


$0.02

Gotcha.

[bantam5s]

I wouldn't say they were "chosen" as in "written in stone". A poll could be taken on any given day with different results.

You're right, they're just the top in this poll.
The top for this list I did were already decided back in November, but if this was to be done again it could have different results especially since I may not have done the best job.
I think more than a few of these guns would definitely still end up in the top 10 though.

[birdmove]

    Just a few random comments. First, I"m sorry that Crosman has dropped the model 66. Got mine new for $40, and it was a good shooter. don't have it any more. The Crosman 760. Mine is the newest plastic smooth bore. Mine has between 2000 and 3000 pellets through it with zero problems. Certainly it's not a precision shooter. But, with it's top pellets (RWS Meisterkugeln rifle pellets) it is about as accurate as my other rifled airguns to 7 yards at least. I like the looks, the feel (other than the plasticky feel), the easy quiet pumping too, the 5 round magazine, and the trigger is decent. Walmart has the version with no scope for $25 right now. Great little gun for a new airgunner too. I think the Remington Airmaster 77 can be included as a 2100, since it IS a 2100 with cosmetic changes. Mine is the older version with the metal breech, not the reintroduced all plastic model. Good shooter, zero problems in maybe 10 years of shooting. Daisy 880. I can only speak to MY Daisy 880 new model and bought new. Great looks and handling and reliability, good price. But, mine doesn't endear itself to me in the accuracy department. My Umarex APX NPG will way outshoot the 880 with it's top pellet.

[A.K.A. Tommy Boy]

I have an Umarex APX NPG that is a good accurate shooter...Too.    Very little ever gets mentioned about this rifle.  My grandson Gabriel shoots this one, when he comes over.  He is 8 years old and this one is a good fit for him.  He can pump this one, at least up to 4 pumps.

Best Wishes  -  Tom

[avator]

I had an APX NPG. I gifted it to Greg (owner of our local paintball field) to shoot with his grandson. Before I got my compressor Rick would meet me at the paintball field to fill my scuba tank any time I called. He just lived around the corner. Many Sundays he would meet me there as soon as he left church. I felt it was the least I could do.

[the fuse]

I picked up an APX NPG out of curiosity cuz it borrows so much from the D 8xx rifles. (favorites of mine) It was $38 at my local Kmart.....it was in a damaged box. The gun shoots just fine. I like the Daisy trigger better, like the retro look of the 880, and prefer to apply the safety on my own but it is pretty accurate.

[avator]

I didn't care much for the auto safety either but I thought it would be a perfect option for a gun that Greg would be shooting with his grandson. Might as well teach them safety while keeping them safe.

[birdmove]

   I actually don't mind an auto safety. The APX NPG has one, as did the Ruger Explorer I bought last year. I ended up returning the Ruger because it would not meet my standards for accuracy and consistency, but I actually like the gun. The auto safety on it didn't always work either.

[bantam5s]

I have an Umarex APX NPG that is a good accurate shooter...Too.    Very little ever gets mentioned about this rifle.  My grandson Gabriel shoots this one, when he comes over.  He is 8 years old and this one is a good fit for him.  He can pump this one, at least up to 4 pumps.

Best Wishes  -  Tom

Maybe it doesn't get mentioned much because it's ugly ?
Not to say anything really bad about it, but i believe it's been mentioned more than once in ugly gun threads.
Around here it's always more than the 880 anyways.

Btw this is nothing against the gun, but I cant stand the commercial for this gun that runs during American airgunner.
They've got a kid shooting this gun and next door there's a 40's-50's ? Kid in black and white who looks over the fence and is amazed by this gun, what I cant  stand is how that other kid was probably shooting something made of brass and American walnut like a Benjamin 312 or a Sheridan blue streak which they don't show.
I just don't like how they're implying that the modern style and a few modern features make it better than an American pumper of yesterday when quality won't hold a candle.


I'm not trying to put this gun down or anything, it just has looks that not everyone will like, and their commercial is just plain low and shameless.

[birdmove]

    Beauty and ugliness are in the eyes of the beholder. In my opinion, the APX NPG looks great. So does the Daisy 880. But, if an airgun is a tack driver, I'd shoot it, even it was ugly and pink!

[bantam5s]

    Beauty and ugliness are in the eyes of the beholder. In my opinion, the APX NPG looks great. So does the Daisy 880. But, if an airgun is a tack driver, I'd shoot it, even it was ugly and pink!

I understand that.

Now that's just my explanation for potentially why it doesn't get discussed much while the 880 does.
The price isn't too much more and it has some modern features some people like, so I would think it would get discussed more.

[avator]

Ya'll do yourselves a favor and get your hands on a good working vintage Crosman 101 pumper. Average cost will be around $100.

[bantam5s]

Ya'll do yourselves a favor and get your hands on a good working vintage Crosman 101 pumper. Average cost will be around $100.

Well darn, you hear those words and instantly forget about whatever modern chunk of moulded plastic you were talking about 
Umawhatnow ?