Stoeger X-20 Shrouded .22 - Advertised FPS.............Fact or Fiction.....

[deanda]

Daryl........it's no more quiet than my HW95K in .22......maybe more loud. It shoots great, cocks smooth with little effort, and is very accurate. A very nice gun............just not quiet at all.
Thinkin this with a ram conversion might be good. I'm like you, needing something quiet.

[shadow]

After some testing trying to figure out the springs source of power since it basically has the same amount of coils, wire size etc. as other springs that I've compared it too. The soft rubber wafer holds' the key. Test were done before a tune with the rubber wafer in and then after a tune with it out then back in. The fps dropped with it out then climbed back up with it in. I was surprised to say the least but am now looking at the material of the wafer very closely. This is what I have found in my testing and have conversed with brother Gene about it also. I also took the time to set up my vidcam in my man cave not to do any video but to use it's mic for sound testing between my Whisper and the Stoeger Suppressor. It's a poor mans method but with the vidcam in the same position and along with the mic I shot five rounds from each airgun with it resting in a gunrest in the same position. The vidcam was 20feet away from the barrel and after taking five shot's from each airgun then playing back the video the Stoeger came out the winner. Both airguns are tuned spring not ram and with no spring noise one of the reasons for a tune hehe. Again this was just a poor mans test but even with a vidcam mic picking up sound the Stoeger came out on top in my test. I will be ordering one for myself. Ed

[gene_sc]

All good news fer da Stoeger Ed. Like I said my hearing aint dat good anymore but I did not have a chance to test the it with a full on turbo tune with delrin guide. Now we know that with a turbo tune she is a winner all the way.
Amazing how that little piece of rubber would give ya an increase of up to 100 fps.. Dats what it is all about. Learning what makes things tick..

Thanks for you post to clarify noise levels. I do know with gas ram she is very quiet as well.

[shadow]

The gas ram version I'm sure will drop the sound down more. I'm still in wonder about that rubber wafer but the wafer don't lie hehe and again this is from my testing but after going through her like you with a fine tooth tuning comb the wafer was looking suspect and I just had to do some break it down again and testing. Ed

[shadow]

I was also impressed in how it responds to a tune and even in the stock form the Stoeger is quieter then the Gamo's firing cycle. Ed

[darryl]

Guys, would you say the X20s is as quiet as a P-rod PCP pistol? That is my alternate choice for a quiet pest-control pellet gun. It won't have the power or the range of the X20s but it works for close-in stuff 30 yards or less. Also, will that rubber wafer wear down over time (reducing power)?

[shadow]

I cannot give you a good answer since I do not own or have compared it to a P-ROD. If the PCP has a suppressor on it then my guess is that it's quieter since PCP's have no spring or ram inside to contribute to noise. I think the rubber wafer would hold up fro a long time from what I inspected from it's consistency but the only problem that I noticed was that the spring sits right on it. This doesn't let the spring twist smoothly during the firing cycle and also dig's into the wafer. I ultra thin thrust washer on top of it would solve the problem but not to thick since it may interfere with piston locking up to the sear properly. Ed

[darryl]

Thanks, Ed. I've begun to lean towards the quieter PCP pistol (need to collect more beer cans now). Also, in my naive way I'd be suspicious of that rubber wafer needing to be replaced in time if the spring sits right on it. Isn't the spring under tension at all times? If so, I'd wonder if that wafer would suffer an indentation  over time where the spring is in contact under pressure, and pushing on it. Seems kind of like a gasket taking the impression from whatever it's in contact under pressure. Consider this a teach-Darryl-sumthin moment and tell me where I misunderstand, please.
PS I hope you upload your comparative video one day.

[Ratman]

Shadow, do you think that maybe the silicone disc will work the same way in a different air rifle? If so that could be a cool ad-on for your tuneups.
Ed

[shadow]

It's possible and I'm looking into the rubber disk material since it's not just regular rubber. Ed

[Dopalgangr]

Wow those are some serious anti-spam measures just to sign up here    Hello all first post, just a quick question.  I'm looking to buy either the X20s or the X20 or the Crosman G1 Xtreme.  Just wondering if the X20s is worth the extra $80 over the X20 (synthetic) and if the Stoegers are better build quality than the G1 Xtreme.  Any input would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks, Glen

BTW, I'm looking at the .177 models.

[Ddgrego]

Hi d,I have an x20 and it has been tunes and it shoots very well.its one of my favorites and is one of the rifles i still have that is boring accurate out to 30 yards.I can cover the hole pattern with a nickel out to 30 yards,after that it opens up just a bit but very quite gun also.i would like an x20s when its available in wood possibly later this year.I like the shorter barrel and overall shorter length of gun.Just my imput on gun,Ive had mine awhile now and have many shots through it so it has settled down alot now.Trigger change makes it even better.

[longislandhunter]

Hi Glen, welcome to GTA, nice to have you with us. 

I own a .177 cal Stoeger X20 and a G1-Extreme.  Both are nice rifles for the money.  My G1 is now tuned, but even in stock form it was a great shooter.  My X20 is bone stock except for the GRT trigger, my G1 has the gold trigger as well.   For the money I don't think you can go wrong with either one, I think they're both a good "bang for your buck". That being said though, if I could only buy one I'd buy the X20.  The shorter barrel length is very  nice, especially when hunting in the woods, and overall I just like the build of the X20.  Just my 2 cents.   

I'll be looking forward to your future posts and again, Welcome 

Jeff

[Dopalgangr]

Thanks Jeff and ddgrego for the info!!  I guess as always it comes down to the money issue then.  If the G1 is the cheapest, the X20 is $40 more, and the X20 Suppressor model is $80 more the the regular X20, is it worth the extra money to move up to the "suppressed" model?  My overall goal is for accuracy shooting and the occasional pest control.  I have a $30 Cabelas gift card burning a hole in my pocket and I don't want to waste money if its not needed.  Thanks again to everyone's input.  BTW, the last air rifle I had was a Daisey 880 circa 1980ish 

[Ddgrego]

See which one fits you best and go from there! Let us know what you got and how she does.I dont have a G1 but have heard good things about it too.

[longislandhunter]

From the reviews I've read it appears that the "suppressor" model is not that much quieter than the standard X20 rifles so I would say based on the reviews so far the "S" model is probably not worth the extra money if you're on a finite budget for a rifle.  Based on  your intended use for the rifle, combined with the fact that your budget is firmly fixed, I'd say get the G1 Extreme.  The G1 will do everything you need and will save you $40 bucks. 

Jeff

[Dopalgangr]

Thanks Jeff, well my budgets not that tight (just dont tell my wife  )  I've narrowed it a little further to either the x10 or the x20 (combo models) besides the stock and scope (and $40) I dont see what the difference is between them???  Also, would you say that a .177 is any more accurate than a .22 calibre?   The biggest thing I would ever take with it would be the stray rabbit eating my garden and I would think that the proper pellet would out weigh the calibre.  What do you think?

Glen

[JonnyReb]

   Just started researching these guns myself and am going to pick one up based on all of your recommendations,  can i confirm with you Ed or Gene that all of the guns come with the rubber "boost" washer or is it only certain models(ie supressor) or calibers? From all i can find on them the X10 and 20 have the same internals. Supressor models have the same internals.. they are all the same gun unless you get the X50?  Anyone found internals damaged from all the dieseling?  Thanks fellas,  J

[longislandhunter]

Glen, my .177 X-20 is extremely accurate, shooting ragged hole groups at 30 yards and it's not pellet picky at all.  I haven't had the pleasure to shoot a .22 cal Stoeger yet but I don't see why the .22 version would be any less accurate than a .177   I think the "S" model is the only one available at the current time in .22 caliber, although I haven't been checking lately so I may be wrong.   The .177 will do a fine job on taking out a rabbit or squirrel.  I use my .177 guns to small game hunt with all the time and they do a great job.  As you already know the key with either caliber is proper shot placement.  I would say the .177 cal would be perfect for your needs. 

Jeff,, I haven't been "inside" the Stoeger line of rifles so I don't know if they all have that rubber "boost" washer, but Ed and Gene certainly can answer your question regarding that.   I can say that when I got my X-20 I cleaned the barrel and just started shooting it and I had no problem with dieseling.  I love my X-20, I think it's a great bang for the buck.  Mine is still stock, except for the trigger.

JEff

[JonnyReb]

  Thanks Jeff,  I'll wait a day or two and see if Gene or Ed see's this post, if not i'll pm them. They have now come out with wooden stocked X20(pretty wood too!) in .22 for $130.00ish. If these low priced guns have the same internals as the X20S, that will be the gun to try considering the huge ftlbs everyone was noting from them. They are however, out of stock everywhere at the moment. If the chinese would get back to producing guns(or our retailers back to ordering them?) i'll bet they could sell a heck of a lot more of them...