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Big bore break barrels?????
« on: November 30, 2016, 09:22:43 PM »
So any opinions on hatsan qe vortex .30 can break barrel.. thinking bout getting one. Need some intel
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Re: Big bore break barrels?????
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2016, 09:28:11 PM »
WAY TOO large a caliber for a "Practical" spring / ram piston air gun.
Unique for sure and being sold under the disguise bigger is better ... in this case simply not true.

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Re: Big bore break barrels?????
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2016, 09:36:57 PM »
I personally feel even the 135 in .25 is a stretch.  I have that one as well as the .22, and the .22 is much more practical.  What does the .30 shoot at? 500 or 550 fps...too slow.  Factor in the cost of the pellets, I wouldn't even consider the .30.  Just my opinion.

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Re: Big bore break barrels?????
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2016, 09:47:51 PM »
     Well.......maybe as slow as the .30 Springer shoots a person could reuse the pellets  :o lol
Personally I don't see a benefit from such a large springer. Jim Chapman did a review on the Hatsan it was cool but, I really think the cocking effort is WAY TOO MUCH!! The .22 or .20 would be better suited for hunting and much more economic to shoot. The .30 is not a plinker for SURE!!!

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Re: Big bore break barrels?????
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2016, 10:06:39 PM »
im all for the 30 cal 125.. only because my issue here is armadillos inside 15 yrds. they have not been available recently.. all good reviews across the board too
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Re: Big bore break barrels?????
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2016, 11:04:19 PM »
The down-range power is pretty awesome.  I shoot a .25 Hatsan 95QE and it destroys squirrels; it isn't a hyper-velocity springer but Gets The Job Done..  Perhaps the most telling YouTube review I've seen of the .30 is Rick Eutsler's.... but I haven't read anything bad by people that own one here on the GTA.

I also look at things this way: I've killed a lot of pest birds using sling-shots with 1/4" and 5/16" steel ball ammo.  They were moving a lot slower than the .30 caliber pellets coming from the big-bore Hatsan, and ammo weight is comparable.

Think of this: a springer carrying 20+ FPE at 50 yards, and even moving at slower speeds, it doesn't decelerate as fast because of all that mass.  Given how my .25 bucks the wind, the .30 is sure to do even better. 

I just took a peek at the reviews on PA- lots of happy owners- let that be your guide.   "A pellet in motion tends to stay in motion"  LOL



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Re: Big bore break barrels?????
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2016, 11:32:31 PM »
The down-range power is pretty awesome.  I shoot a .25 Hatsan 95QE and it destroys squirrels; it isn't a hyper-velocity springer but Gets The Job Done..  Perhaps the most telling YouTube review I've seen of the .30 is Rick Eutsler's.... but I haven't read anything bad by people that own one here on the GTA.

I also look at things this way: I've killed a lot of pest birds using sling-shots with 1/4" and 5/16" steel ball ammo.  They were moving a lot slower than the .30 caliber pellets coming from the big-bore Hatsan, and ammo weight is comparable.

Think of this: a springer carrying 20+ FPE at 50 yards, and even moving at slower speeds, it doesn't decelerate as fast because of all that mass.  Given how my .25 bucks the wind, the .30 is sure to do even better. 

I just took a peek at the reviews on PA- lots of happy owners- let that be your guide.   "A pellet in motion tends to stay in motion"  LOL





well said , it seems like everyone thinks a slow projectile is useless, but a slow 30 cal round will do some damage, all the energy is imparted  on target
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Re: Big bore break barrels?????
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2016, 11:58:11 PM »
WAY TOO large a caliber for a "Practical" spring / ram piston air gun.
Unique for sure and being sold under the disguise bigger is better ... in this case simply not true.

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I completely agree.

Although it may "retain" energy better than a .22 or .25, ... the problem is, it did not leave the muzzle with enough energy to maintain a decent trajectory in the first place.
POI will vary greatly with only minor range variations, and bucking wind will not even be a benefit due to the limited effective range of a 44.75 gr. moving so slowly.
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Re: Big bore break barrels?????
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2016, 12:26:38 PM »
I agree as well.  My experience with my Hammerli 850 .22 when it was stock doing 615fps with 14.3gr on a 70-80deg. day was that I had to hold-over/under for every 5 yards the distance changed from zero which was 25yds.  After I missed on a couple of Starlings at 20yds and 30yds, I figured out the different POI's and the mildots.  But the trajectory was too loopy for me so I bumped the MV to 665fps and it's shooting a little flatter, but it's still not my preferred velocity in 22 for anything past 30yds.  Have you ever shot a .38 revolver with 158gr off the shelf loads averaging 750fps MV at various distances?  Then shoot a .357 158gr at 1250 fps and see the difference in drop?

Since when do we need .30cal to kill a squirrel?  Maybe ground squirrels at 75-100 yards out..  A low power big bore Springer is certainly not a gun to hunt hogs or big game with like deer, unless maybe it's at 10yds or closer.  What I look for in a big bore air gun is down range killing power and accuracy for coyote sized game & up well past 50yds, and velocity has a lot to do with it.  The Hatsan .30 springer isn't it.
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Re: Big bore break barrels?????
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2016, 03:21:35 PM »
AFAIK, Hatsan uses the same 135 Vortex powerplant for .177, .22, .25 and now .30. I have a few 135 springers and while .25 is usable to 30 yds I think .30 would be pushing the limits.
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Re: Big bore break barrels?????
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2016, 06:26:40 PM »
Thanks guys. I believe that rifle just got denied for purchase. . . Any one wanna tell me the trick to running in my trail np2 .22
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Re: Big bore break barrels?????
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2016, 07:06:52 PM »
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Re: Big bore break barrels?????
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2016, 07:33:51 PM »
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Re: Big bore break barrels?????
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2016, 08:02:27 PM »
AFAIK, Hatsan uses the same 135 Vortex powerplant for .177, .22, .25 and now .30. I have a few 135 springers and while .25 is usable to 30 yds I think .30 would be pushing the limits.

I completely do not agree with this.  I have had the older 135 spring version in .22 and now I have the new QE gas ram in .22.

These things are monsters.  There isn't another factory spring/gas gun getting any where close to 30 fpe like these.  Mine gets that or a bit over in .22 caliber. 

The .30 caliber definitely is not a long range shooter, but 50 yards should be easy in that gun.  I wouldn't hesitate to purchase one.
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Re: Big bore break barrels?????
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2016, 09:33:39 PM »
Supposed to be the same powerplant as the turk patriot and i know some have the .25 turkish pat and use it for 60 yard hunting.  I know my british patriot can take a squirrel at 65 yards consistently, but its a bit of a different animal.  And a bit stronger than these turkish guns, my pat is pushin around 35.5 fpe
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Re: Big bore break barrels?????
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2016, 10:02:28 PM »
AFAIK, Hatsan uses the same 135 Vortex powerplant for .177, .22, .25 and now .30. I have a few 135 springers and while .25 is usable to 30 yds I think .30 would be pushing the limits.

I completely do not agree with this.  I have had the older 135 spring version in .22 and now I have the new QE gas ram in .22.

These things are monsters.  There isn't another factory spring/gas gun getting any where close to 30 fpe like these.  Mine gets that or a bit over in .22 caliber. 

The .30 caliber definitely is not a long range shooter, but 50 yards should be easy in that gun.  I wouldn't hesitate to purchase one.

My Hatsan 135/.25 springer does well with the 26gr Crow Mags (33 FPE at the muzzle), but from what I've read the .30 pellets are 45gr? Seems to me that is PCP territory.
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Re: Big bore break barrels?????
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2016, 12:51:39 AM »
Isaac:   I have 2 Hatsan 25cal guns one is an 85 sniper driven by a spring and the other is an Edge with a vortex gas ram. I mostly shoot out to 30yds but have hit a 3" HEAVY spinner with authority ( made for a 300Win mag rifle ) set out to 60yds with 19.91gr. H&N Field Target Trophy domed pellets. I Really Like the Hatsan guns that I have. I have never shot the Hatsan Magnum power plant spring or gas ram guns so I withhold comment on them respectively but they are a step up from the Hatsans that I own.                       Best Regards   -   Tom
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Re: Big bore break barrels?????
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2016, 05:47:00 AM »
IMO going from a .25 to a .30 in a spring/gas ram is the finest line they can reach , between PCP and piston guns ,It is in the eye of the beholder :-X
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Re: Big bore break barrels?????
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2016, 06:08:56 AM »
the 30 is gonna be a 20yd gun.... trajectory is too loopy
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Re: Big bore break barrels?????
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2016, 09:50:36 AM »
I personally want to buy one in .30, but thats only because i like collecting magnum break barrels.  For a hunting rifle, i would agree with these guys, .30 cal at almost 45 grains with a piston gun is just not what id use unless it was a backyard pest or i stalked it really close.  Bet it makes one heck of a WHACK when it connects though lol
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