Author Topic: 357 Texan review (Read 13332 times))

Tofazfou · « **Reply #20 on:** October 23, 2016, 02:06:17 PM »

I have a 16" twist on my Recluse and it is too fast. Just not needed.

While you are pushing much more speed and power than my Recluse can, JSB's and 125+ gr slugs work well. With that fast a twist, you can now forget trying round balls for plinking. I don't have the power to push 150+ gr slugs like you can so i have no info on that.

Why big bore manufactures STILL go by that "45 acp" philosophy is beyond me (big, heavy and slow bullets). Not really sure these "ENGINEERS" are really engineers or are they people who are good at CAD drawings? 190 gr bullet recommendations? Man, thats for a hunting .357 mag round and not an airgun.......lol! Rant over.....lol

Ok, 1 tip for the Airforce line of guns is normally a light hold. Do not press the bottle into your shoulder like you would a Powder Burner. Doing so and not being consistent will make groups or shots wander. Hold it lightly and hold it consistently.

DO NOT USE HUNERS SUPPLY.........YUK!

Gut2Fish · « **Reply #21 on:** October 23, 2016, 10:05:45 PM »

Quote from: Tofazfou on October 23, 2016, 02:06:17 PM

I have a 16" twist on my Recluse and it is too fast. Just not needed.

While you are pushing much more speed and power than my Recluse can, JSB's and 125+ gr slugs work well. With that fast a twist, you can now forget trying round balls for plinking. I don't have the power to push 150+ gr slugs like you can so i have no info on that.

What kind of groupings could you get with a 130 grain at 100 or 200 yards with this twist?

I know how meticulous you are about sizing slugs to each barrel and your a true marksman. You'd be the man to enlighten me on how much the over spun slugs really open up.

Tofazfou · « **Reply #22 on:** October 23, 2016, 10:24:15 PM »

Quote from: Gut2Fish on October 23, 2016, 10:05:45 PM

Quote from: Tofazfou on October 23, 2016, 02:06:17 PM
I have a 16" twist on my Recluse and it is too fast. Just not needed.

While you are pushing much more speed and power than my Recluse can, JSB's and 125+ gr slugs work well. With that fast a twist, you can now forget trying round balls for plinking. I don't have the power to push 150+ gr slugs like you can so i have no info on that.

What kind of groupings could you get with a 130 grain at 100 or 200 yards with this twist?

I know how meticulous you are about sizing slugs to each barrel and your a true marksman. You'd be the man to enlighten me on how much the over spun slugs really open up.

Garrett,

Very sorry to say that i don't shoot this gun out at 100 yards for groups. Plinking YES but groups NO. I don't have it tuned to shoot all out power. Its making 180+ FPE. I just don't consider the 357 a 100+ yard target gun especially when making only 180 FPE. I have my 257 and 7mm for that. So info from me on that subject is NIL. 200 yards, faghettaboutit.......lol! At least from me and my Recluse.

50 and 75 yards MAX for me.

Honestly, I'm relying on you and that Texan for info out that far. Or the AAA Slayer.

Gut2Fish · « **Reply #23 on:** October 23, 2016, 10:56:21 PM »

It won't be me with the Texan this year unless Santa is very kind. Last year my stocking had coal in it so not likely.

Nick, the OP, is a competition shooter so with a few of us sending him slugs we'll find some things out for sure. He's going to get a micrometer on that barrel slug soon too. Cool.

nielsenammo · « **Reply #24 on:** October 23, 2016, 11:07:35 PM »

I ordered a mold yesterday so will take about month before I will have it ready for testing. I will seek out .357 Texan owners and see what we can do. I bet will be accurate with the right slug but just another lobber like the .45 Texan. My .45 is real close to MOA with my 372 grain but real slow to get there. I ordered a .40 slug I think will work for the badger as well. A friend of mine just bought my Badger so will have access to it for testing.

nielsenammo · « **Reply #25 on:** November 01, 2016, 01:31:21 AM »

I don't know how it happened but I ordered a mold for the Texan and the Badger as I posted above and it came in today already! Fastest I ever got a custom mold for sure. I plan to cast them tomorrow or Wednesday and will be looking for guys with 357 Texans to test them if interested please PM me.

Thanks
Nick

Jeremy1982 · « **Reply #26 on:** November 01, 2016, 09:55:38 PM »

has any one put a slug in the 125-158 gr range thread this gun?

Gut2Fish · « **Reply #27 on:** November 03, 2016, 04:13:23 PM »

Quote from: Jeremy1982 on November 01, 2016, 09:55:38 PM

has any one put a slug in the 125-158 gr range thread this gun?

In first post, Nosler slugs were in first shooting tests and got hole touching hole group at 50 yards. The OP did not provide fps of that 145 grain slug though.

The thought is it's too short for barrel twist resulting in groups opening up at longer range. Won't know until Nick (the OP) post more data on his gun. I sent Nick some slugs, was not impressed with HP pin centering so sent mostly Gas Check SWC solids that dropped 161 grain in 1% tin alloy. He said when he gets his next chance to shoot will take them out 75 and 100 yards. That is a .67 inch slug for reference. Also he micrometered a slug from barrel and it was .3570. Slugs sent sized to 0.3573. Will be interesting to see fps with right sizing and accuracy of that length of slug.

nielsenammo · « **Reply #28 on:** November 03, 2016, 05:12:56 PM »

I sent him a slug as well that I made specific to this gun. We will see if my math is correct and how it shoots. My slug is sized .357 and is a bit longer so will have to wait for him to shoot them to start seeing what the gun likes. My slug weighs 180 grains. If the barrel specs from AF are correct with a 1:16 twist, .357 barrel this should be an optimal bullet for the gun but you never know...

Gut2Fish · « **Reply #29 on:** November 03, 2016, 06:48:17 PM »

180 grain wouldn't be bad at all. 850 fps and maybe a bit more as it's properly sized. That would be bearable. Anxious waiting for this gun to release and disappointed with the twist. Hope it gets good accuracy in these weight ranges. Hate to think about rebarreling a brand new gun. Have been researching options of just that while awaiting more results.

nielsenammo · « **Reply #30 on:** November 03, 2016, 07:45:00 PM »

If you end up with a rebarrel, TJ makes a 1:26 which is what I would use, gives a large range of bullet options and speeds. The shame is is the heavy bullets would still work in the gun but you would have the light ammo option. However, lots of testing is still needed and maybe we will all be happily surprised.

Jeremy1982 · « **Reply #31 on:** November 03, 2016, 09:00:52 PM »

I know..this 1:16 twist has me on the edge.I have a badger on order right now and thought about taking it back then buying a Texan 357 but limited to big heavy rounds defeats it for me.I already have 2 heavy lead slingers.If it could accurately shoot 125-150 gr around 950 then I would consider.I already have a recluse that performs just a step behind the texan.

nielsenammo · « **Reply #32 on:** November 03, 2016, 09:43:50 PM »

I made a slug for the Badger too. It came out 220 grains. According my calcs, if correct, should be the right bullet for the gun. Again heavy, too fast of a twist rate for the caliber and power of the gun in my opinion. I bought and sold my Badger without even firing it. My friend wanted one so I sold it to him for what I paid and I can still get my testing done with it so was a win win.

I plan to shot with him on Saturday and I already cast the slugs so I will report back as to their performance.

Really curious how these different slugs for the 357 Texan do. Should be a popular gun if it is accurate. Funny how their are no other threads on this gun (except this one) and no one saying they have bought one?

Jeremy1982 · « **Reply #33 on:** November 03, 2016, 10:27:56 PM »

Your right,,cant find anyone giving reviews on the gun.It may be a shooter though!My recluse is tuned and has the factory 1:20 twist and does good till a 140 gr.Above that is iffy.It will group well with the heavier bullets out to 40 yards but start straying after that point.I do a lot of 50-100 yards with the rifle so I bullet will show to be true pretty quickly after 50.

dieselten · « **Reply #34 on:** November 04, 2016, 12:22:29 AM »

Garrett and Nick,

Thank you very much for sending slugs for testing. I will advise when they arrive. Testing may take a couple weeks as rifle deer season opens here in Texas this weekend, which limits my access to the private range. The public ranges are insanely busy as well with deer hunters sighting in their Rifles that haven't been touched since last season.

Gut2Fish · « **Reply #35 on:** November 04, 2016, 11:28:38 AM »

It is always a surprise how well some slugs shoot due to design. In general the Sg programs work well and in using that the "optimum" length of slug would be about an inch long. Put that in perspective and it's the old Winchester 358318 slug of 245 grains that would provide just over 1.5 Sg. I've tried to find a value for over stability and it seems there isn't an effort to research that end of spectrum. Sg values go through the roof once as the slug gets shorter and shorter. There must be a high end range value, say over 4-5 Sg or is it over 7-8Sg?, where over spin rears it's ugly head at long range. What that value is isn't really looked at much and makes slug selection a stab in the dark trying to find lightest possible with long range grouping. Face it long range trajectory paths and potential problems) on air guns occur at incredibly short range. What is common place overspin problems for air is happening before 100 yards. In the powder burner world it's only sharp shooters and extreme range competition shooters that come across this problem.

Jeremy1982 · « **Reply #36 on:** November 04, 2016, 01:35:24 PM »

Makes you wonder what the 308 will be???Thats prob where the 1:16 should be.I could almost see them doing a 1:10 on that rifle.!!

dyotat100 · « **Reply #37 on:** November 04, 2016, 01:44:24 PM »

It's all because AF only cares about a number. Remember the clown in the shot show video that opened his mouth with 400 fpe for .357 and 350 fpe .308. Never heard of him before.

They seem to find the most clueless people to represent there guns.

If they would just pay attention to what people are doing with what they would see nobody wants a motar launcher. Shooting smaller bullets at higher fps is where it's at instead of trying to get bragging right on big numbers with big slugs.

.308 is 1:14 which is the way I went in the beginning. Again they are prepping the gun to shoot 180-200 gr slugs.

My next .308 barrel will 1:18 or 1:20. No reason to shoot over 150 gr in 308. I'm shooting 138 gr right now.

Jeremy1982 · « **Reply #38 on:** November 04, 2016, 08:51:57 PM »

Yea a 1:14 will limit your selection for sure.also hard loading a 200 gr .308!The bullets what...1 3/4 long lol.

PakProtector · « **Reply #39 on:** November 05, 2016, 08:24:36 AM »

The best way to get a good base is to move it forward on the boolit with either a gas check stub or a boat tail. The 358156 ought to be in the right neighborhood as with the right alloy they'll come in around 160 gr. Still not going to get it to 950. Advertising does indeed bite, but given that it works, people must be idiots.
cheers,
Douglas

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