Under Lever's - Crosman wants your input

[Kailua]

$530?  At least a LW barrel and still a hard sell compared to proven British and German quality.  With such bad reputation with quality control.

[possum]

I'm not sayin' we are or we aren't, but we want to know your thoughts on under lever break barrel guns.  What do you like, dislike, feature wish list....what would be your ideal under lever?

We're listening.

What I don't like about this deal is the fact that my second Trail npxl 1500 has problems and the cold shoulder I got from customer service for it.This is a clear example of the accounting department swaying the popular vote,in my opinion,that one is going to hurt.

[Izztyrr]

Five hundred and thirty dollars for a Crosman? Surely they jest. Why pay that much for a unproven cheap Chicom knockoff? When for a few more coppers you can have the finely crafted, Brit made real thing. With it's proven reputation for quality. Over the years (about to turn 51) I've owned more then my fare share of Crosman products. I can honestly say that I've never gotten less then what I paid for out of them. But I would never even think of paying this much for one. It's a Crosman, they make cheap fun plinkers. Everyone knows that.

We all know that the trigger is going to not so good and the scope will be subpar. So right off the bat. Those will need to be replaced. This will add to the price. The wooden stock will make it heavy and I don't see any provisions for a sling. Hunting rifles need slings. If they can put a sling on a break barrel. Then they could have put one on this. Its .177 caliber. That's not a hunting caliber. That's for target shooting. The barrel doesn't have a shroud or any threads on the end. So its most likely going to be loud and not backyard friendly. The power plant is a spring? Why is the company that pushes Nitro Piston putting a spring in their most expensive rifle? Aren't they good enough?  I don't see any fancy checkering, iron sight, weaver rails, adjustable butt pad and cheek piece or anything that makes this gun stand out. What were they thinking?

I really want to add an underlever to my battery. But I don't think that it will be this one. Not for that price.

[Lambchops]

They changed MSRP to $350. A fellow member said Crosman tweeted it.

[BenjiHunter]

They can't possibly be serious with the $500+ price. No one's is going to pick this gun over a TX200.
Even if it was an exact copy of a TX200, I would still get the TX.

[BenjiHunter]

They changed MSRP to $350. A fellow member said Crosman tweeted it.

That's more reasonable.

[Kailua]

$310 sounds better without the scope.  Maybe that given comments might help being it might not be in full production yet.  Says it will come out in the spring.
Would nice to give one to one of the GTA moderators for testing and review.

[RedFeather]

Gee, guys.  .177 is no good for hunting.  I will trade you one of my .22's for three of your krappy old .177's.  What, no takers?

$350 does sound much more in the ballpark on this one, which is what I first thought it would be priced at.  Again, I am NOT trying to seriously knock Crosman (and I think this has started to get a little out of hand).  Just struck me as kind of odd that they canvassed us here (and elsewhere), only to serve warmed up leftovers, so to speak.  Still, that's a really good dish.

Copy of a Diana 460?  I don't want to see ANYMORE cheap Chinese copies.  First off, like it or not, the sales hurt the companies who made or still make the originals.  Second, while there are no international patents, it is still not right for companies here or elsewhere to encourage this sort of design piracy, which is what it is.  If this were a case of pirated software, most here wouldn't stand for it.  And there ARE international laws against that.  Just getting tired of watching good air gun companies being drawn through the loophole.

[Tpatner412]

Guys lets get this clear, Retail is going to be about $350, MSRP is $530.  You're talking about recommended price from Crosman versus what it will actually be on sale for

[Rickey]

A free one would be nice considering the fact that many of us had guns that had to go back.  Some had 2 or more with bad barrels, bad lock up problems, bad scopes, stocks that split and bear traps that failed causing bent barrels.

[samTN]

I like to buy products made in America.  I may buy this underlever if it is

1- Capable of hunting.
2- Made in the USA WITHOUT the foreign components.

[Rickey]

I would like to see a copy of the RWS460 with a nitro piston, a weaver rail and made in the USA. I would gladly pay extra if it were made in the USA!

I'm with you pappa.  I would like a nitro piston for my RWS 34 free for all my trouble with the 2 Trails I had.

[Tarheel]

i would love a crosman under lever one with open sights and a weaver scope mount nitro piston gun with a  all weather summit style stock sling mounts that shoots 1000fps in either .22 or .177 cal i like the .177 cal

That would be a .22 caliber, shooting a TRUE 1000 fps with 14.3gr LEAD pellets, Nitro Piston, Weaver / Picatinny rail, fully adjustable two-stage trigger ( not a "lawyer trigger" ), and HIGH-QUALITY, precision-adjustable Iron Sights, to be sold WITHOUT a Scope !

Dave

[Bullit]

Hopefully this initial offering will be reviewed. I hope so...

[RedFeather]

See my Good News post in the Crosman-Benji Gate

[Ddgrego]

made in USA with better QC.I would pay a bit more for that!

[Kailua]

This rifle no matter how it is developed will not please everyone.  If it has a good dependable platform.  Crosman may have a custom shop for this rifle if it becomes a solid performer.  At least Crosman has had asked for opinions which is a start.  We all can take or leave it.  It seems much of US consumers want to buy from a US company and are frustrated that they have to turn to other sources to be satisfied.
In my opinion quality control is something that has to be learned it's like a science in its self.  It is a process that is hard to do from the bottom up.  With the good reviews Crosman can have a good product if there were not so many hit or miss products.  Not sure that if would be such a profit lost if a good productive system of manufacturing can be achieved.  I think it will only benefit the company.