Best Air Rifles Under A Grand?

[oldpro]

Having shot or owned most of the guns on the list I would have no problem buying another Brocock Contour.

[EyeSlayer]

Having shot or owned most of the guns on the list I would have no problem buying another Brocock Contour.

Very interesting. The reason I didn't like the Contour as much was because of the lack of power under 20fpe I believe. Which guns in the list haven't you shot?

[Nomadic Pirate]

One thing about the Sumatra, other guns might be more accurate with a given pellet but no gun is as accurate across the board with all pellets, with the Sumatra you can shoot just about everything well.

[GD Giles]

I read somewhere on line yesterday that Brocock was shutting down. If that's true, then I'd expect price drops pretty soon, which would be a 'pro'. If it is true, then getting parts in the future would not be much fun which would be a 'con'.

[Booger]

I read somewhere on line yesterday that Brocock was shutting down. If that's true, then I'd expect price drops pretty soon, which would be a 'pro'. If it is true, then getting parts in the future would not be much fun which would be a 'con'.

I read the same thing, but a think Brocock is the sibling of Daystate. In that case there should be no problem getting parts. Brocock has a large following across the pond.

[toine]

I read somewhere on line yesterday that Brocock was shutting down. If that's true, then I'd expect price drops pretty soon, which would be a 'pro'. If it is true, then getting parts in the future would not be much fun which would be a 'con'.

Got any links or a source for that? I know in speaking with Tony Belas from Daystate at SHOT, that they were very excited about the future of Brocock.

[GD Giles]

Well, I've searched my history on this machine. Maybe I saw it somewhere on the pc at home but try as I might I can't find it on this one at work. Not to say that some of the threads I was reading yesterday on other forums haven't been deleted today. I'll check on the home machine but I was having this conversation with someone here in pm's and they saw it too. I'll check with them.

[toine]

Well, I've searched my history on this machine. Maybe I saw it somewhere on the pc at home but try as I might I can't find it on this one at work. Not to say that some of the threads I was reading yesterday on other forums haven't been deleted today. I'll check on the home machine but I was having this conversation with someone here in pm's and they saw it too. I'll check with them.

Thanks. I know they are at IWA 2016, and recently announced new partnerships with an importer in Spain, so I'm really curious as to what is going on.

[GD Giles]

Oh, it wasn't a pm, it was the post above yours asking me where! Maybe Jesse will come along and help us out. I am having a pm discussion about the Compatto though. It's a very attractive item.

[EyeSlayer]

Great review Tony!  I posted that Brocock was being phased out several posts ago on this very thread!  I was told that by a guy I talked to over the phone at AOA. I can't confirm its true I just took his word for it so maybe you heard it from me but if you heard it elsewhere then maybe it's true.

My only concern is with the build quality of the Sumatra is it good or average?  Forgive me but how well made are  Korean guns?  How is the reliability any major problems?

*Update*  I don't know guys I'm really liking the BSA R10 it is an absolute beauty and have heard it's extremely accurate plus it's regulated that's hard to beat in my opinion. My only question with it is how loud is it does it compair to a .22 Marauder???

[ancient1one]

Not sure if one is more quite than the other. My friend has both I will ask him tomorrow. The .177's rated at 22 fpe with the LDC is longer compared the shrouded .177 rated at 22 fpe. The 22 fpe with the ldc is 48", too long for any airgun IMO. Shrouded is a manageable 44". Your Mrod I think is 44".

The nice thing about HW100's is they have been around for awhile and aftermarket parts are available. Stuff like a quality single shot adapters, HW barrels in different lengths that fit with no machining, LDC's/shrouds and lightweight air tubes. Like I said earlier the magazine system and trigger are some of the best around.

The last guy I saw post said the €945 HW100 cost him under $1000 delivered.
Under "Add to cart" in blue click the link shipping outside the European Union.

Edit: The magazine system is side lever and the mags are nicely machined metal. There are some nice aftermarket side levers handles and triggers.

I spoke with my friend about the sound. The shrouded HW100 is noticeably quieter compared to the one with the LDC. He has an Mrod .177 and he said to his ear the shrouded HW100 sounds about the same.

[EyeSlayer]

Thanks Sam I would definitely go with the shrouded version then it's not much more. I watched a Ted's Holdover video where he reviewed the gun and found the full size HW100 in .177 was shooting to hot. The pellets weren't stable and it was really noticeable at longer range but he adjusted the hammer spring to lower the velocity and fixed the problem. He said he was sure the .22 would be real accurate but didn't have one to test.

[oldpro]

 Daystate bought Brocock so I donot see any problems getting parts or guns at all. The brocock can also be modified for more power quite easily.

[William]

Brocock is not going anywhere..

http://www.brocock.co.uk/about-us.html

Quote from Brocock website...
"Founded in 1989 in the old gun quarter of Birmingham, Brocock has been a significant player in the UK airgun market for over a quarter of a century, first for their Air Cartridge System (ACS) pistols and later for their PCP air rifles. In March 2014 Brocock was purchased by Dianna Group owners of Italian gun makers Marocchi & Breda; the group is a major force worldwide who have been making guns since 1922. Marocchi also own Daystate, so the acquisition of Brocock was a natural extension of their move into the airgun market. The ability to share information, develop systems and improve processes between group companies enables us to improve quality and reliability bringing benefits our retailer customers and shooters alike.

In order to gain maximum advantage from the synergy between the two brands, the production of Brocock guns moved to the new purpose designed Daystate factory in Staffordshire in September 2014. This latest chapter in the Brocock story bodes well for the future as it is the clearest possible demonstration by Marocchi of their intent to expand. With this in mind, considerable investment has been made available to develop the Brocock brand, make it more widely available to UK shooters and to further expand into overseas markets. Brocock pre charged pneumatic (PCP) airguns combine quality, reliability and accuracy at affordable prices making them available to everyone.

Our range of high quality, lightweight hunting air rifles, carbines and pistols are manufactured using state of the art precision engineering technology, coupled with the traditional skills and experience of a team of time served gunsmiths. The result is an individual and attractive range of guns with a unique set of handling characteristics derived from their balance and light weight, which make them fast handling, nimble and a delight to shoot. Brocock guns are available from good gun shops, to find a stockist near you please visit the dealer locator section of our web site here"

[GD Giles]

So does Diana own Daystate? In a Shot Show video from this year the gentleman working the Daystate/BroCock booth said Diana purchased BroCock fairly recently.

[William]

They are all one in the same that you mentioned I believe, but I am not sure who is the actual parent company now, they buy and sell each other so much you cant keep track of it!!!! I do remember seeing the Video you mentioned but dont remember who owns who!

[pepegraves]

 The SUMATRA carbine gets my vote and, as some others in the know have suggested, the 25 cal would be the way to go. You might not be thinking larger game now but, chances are you will want to take larger game later. I don't have any experience with the other rifles you're interested in but, I'm convinced that once you try the SUMATRA, you're search will be over...just ask any SUMATRA carbine owner:)

[DOUGER]

I own A 177 bsa scorpion its a dream to shoot very fast for a 177  1050 to 1070 with 8.44 jsb and cah go hole to hole at 25 yards all stock with xtx air shroud  quiet as a mouse  get 50 shots from fill up 

[EyeSlayer]

Finally a vote for the Scorpion!  I love the look and size of that gun the thing I don't like is I would either have to add an LDC which would add length or a shroud which is gonna be expensive so in that case why not go with a R10 they are supposed to be quiet to begin with.

No doubt Darrell the Sumatra looks like a fine gun. I love the lever action, power adjustment, size and looks it's got a lot going for it. Plus it's cheaper than almost all on the list so I would be saving some coin for sure.


I've really narrowed down my selection to these factors in order of importance:

- Size (carbine size preferred and a regular length gun with an LDC at the end is not even considered)

- Loudness (this is in relation to the size of the gun if I need an LDC for say a S500 or R10 to get it neighborhood friendly that is not what I'm looking for)

- Looks (in the eye of the beholder but I think we can all agree the AA S500 & BSA R10 are tops on that list)

- Accuracy (I think this goes without saying and I'm sure all the guns in the vote are plenty accurate but the more the better) This is the least important to me out of the things I listed as I'm sure any of the guns listed are accurate enough.

[LDP]

Finally a vote for the Scorpion!  I love the look and size of that gun the thing I don't like is I would either have to add an LDC which would add length or a shroud which is gonna be expensive so in that case why not go with a R10 they are supposed to be quiet to begin with.

No doubt Darrell the Sumatra looks like a fine gun. I love the lever action, power adjustment, size and looks it's got a lot going for it. Plus it's cheaper than almost all on the list so I would be saving some coin for sure.


I've really narrowed down my selection to these factors in order of importance:

- Size (carbine size preferred and a regular length gun with an LDC at the end is not even considered)

- Loudness (this is in relation to the size of the gun if I need an LDC for say a S500 or R10 to get it neighborhood friendly that is not what I'm looking for)

- Looks (in the eye of the beholder but I think we can all agree the AA S500 & BSA R10 are tops on that list)

- Accuracy (I think this goes without saying and I'm sure all the guns in the vote are plenty accurate but the more the better) This is the least important to me out of the things I listed as I'm sure any of the guns listed are accurate enough.

My S510 carbine in .22 at medium power is pretty quiet with just the shroud. I have mine regulated to give me 840 fps with 18 gr. JSB and I made an LDC to screw into the shroud and at that power level the only pcp I have owned that was on the same noise level is my S10 .177 with my custom shroud tuned to 10.6 fpe. They are both very quiet and my S510 might even be quiter. The total length of my S510 with the ldc is less than 44".

 So I would think an S5xx carbine in .177 would be pretty quiet just shrouded and set for 14 - 18 fpe. they look good with the ldc attached and you can always remove it if you needed the shorter length but not the extra noise reduction. Not trying to push you into an AA S5xx carbine but I really enjoy mine and its about the perfect setup that can do it all with power adjustment, extremely short and light weight, great trigger and excellent accuracy. I also really like the sumatra carbine.