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Plekto · « **Reply #20 on:** February 16, 2016, 12:18:21 AM »

Quote from: Squirrel Eater on February 15, 2016, 05:04:22 PM

Do you guys thinks a beeman p17 could kill a red squirrel with a headshot at 10-15 yards? If I do get something I don't want to spend a whole lot of money.

I had one years ago - out of five attempts, only one kill, and that required a follow-up shot point-blank. Three bounced off of their skulls and they ran after flopping around for 5 seconds or so. One just immediately ran. This was at 5-10 yards. Just 1-2 ft-lbs too weak.

You want a 2240 with that match barrel - it will put out 7-8 ft-lbs quite easily and get the job done. It's also a blast ( and super-easy) to customize.

That match barrel is similar in quality to the one Tim puts on the LDs. The blanks cost around $100-$125 ( you can get roughly 2 out of a 24" one ) plus installation. Crosman's upcharge for it is *very* reasonable.

shadow · « **Reply #21 on:** February 16, 2016, 07:30:37 AM »

Quote from: seitg74 on February 15, 2016, 11:21:47 PM

Quote from: shadow on February 15, 2016, 06:36:26 PM
Hunting with airgun pistols can be a challenge and we all like challenges. A accurate pistol with enough fps and pellet selection can hold it's own within it's kill zone and shot placement. Took the whacked out Bandit with my MAG 800 pistol and other harvest with pistola's from my collection. Ed

Ed that is simply amazing. Is your 800 a .177 or .22 cal?

My Mag 800 is .177 . Ed

39M · « **Reply #22 on:** February 16, 2016, 08:00:36 AM »

I think the new 1377's have more power than the old one's. My old rear cocker came with a double size check valve that ate up a lot of internal space.
The new 1377 definitely has enough power for squirrels and small birds at close range. Mine will shoot through both sides of a steel can at 10 yards and still embed the pellet in hard plywood. And it'll clear all the air in the valve with 12 pumps.
But I had to do some tuning on the sights, and a good amount of practice before I was consistently hitting my spot.
Basically, $50 for the gun, a couple of tins of 7.9 grain pellets, and you're in business.

bird blaster · « **Reply #23 on:** February 16, 2016, 05:05:40 PM »

the reason i asked about a p17 because i have killed several chippys with my airsoft gun 380 fps at 10 yards and i killed a red squirrel at 5 yards with my daisy buck. im trying to make my 1377 more compact. i put some grips and a 3-9x32 scope that was still on from being a rifle. i got me a starling with it the other day like that with a destroyer pellet at 20 yards. i think a 2x pistol scope or a red dot would be better and make it more compact. any ideas of good red dots or pisstol scopes? thakns

Nod · « **Reply #24 on:** February 16, 2016, 05:25:12 PM »

My LP8 .177 puts out 550/560 fps with H&N Terminator 7.25 gr. so that's 4.96fpe @ muz. 4.44 @ 10yds and 4.19 @15 yds. Probably enough for a good head shot on a squirrel I'm guessing. And it's very accurate.

bird blaster · « **Reply #25 on:** February 16, 2016, 05:43:34 PM »

Quote from: Nod on February 16, 2016, 05:25:12 PM

My LP8 .177 puts out 550/560 fps with H&N Terminator 7.25 gr. so that's 4.96fpe @ muz. 4.44 @ 10yds and 4.19 @15 yds. Probably enough for a good head shot on a squirrel I'm guessing. And it's very accurate.

The lp8 is waaaay out of my price range. I'm thinking about just modding my 1377 a little bit. That's defiantly enough for a squirrel head shot. I've killed chippys with 1 fpe before.

39M · « **Reply #26 on:** February 16, 2016, 05:56:09 PM »

Mod the sights and learn to shoot it without a scope. My front sight was too low, and the rear sight too high. The gun shot about an inch high at 10 yards.

I put the rear sight as low as it would go, then used a very small V file and filed it all the way down to the screw head. And I put a dab of paint on the screw head to aid my alignment.

Then I glued a small bead on top of the front sight, made from a piece of very thin gold chain that I cut and flattened. Thought about using about a 3/8" long piece of weedeater line, but liked the gold bead better.
I eventually knocked the gold bead off, but it's easy and free to replace. Might've been because my super glue had gotten old and very thick.

bird blaster · « **Reply #27 on:** February 16, 2016, 06:03:44 PM »

I would go back to open sights but I've already have a steel breech on it so I can't have open sights without taking the breech off and I didn't buy the breech for nothing. Anyway the first thing I have to figure out is a good pellet. At 20 yards destroyers are nice but past that they are horrible. Any suggestions on pellets? Thanks

39M · « **Reply #28 on:** February 16, 2016, 06:13:54 PM »

I've only tried two. The CPHP and the CPUM. With the power of the stock 1377, I believe the lighter 7.9 grain pellets have better power than the heavy 10.5 grain Ultra Mag. Both were accurate enough for me, but in this case, the lighter pellet had better penetration.

Use whatever sighting system you like. I was just concerned with your dilemma of not being able to fit it in your backpack. And a decent pistol scope ain't cheap.

bird blaster · « **Reply #29 on:** February 16, 2016, 06:38:58 PM »

Yah I noticed that the cheaper ones are like 60 bucks. The cphps are the worst I ever tried in it. Cpums are ok. I'll keep trying.

bird blaster · « **Reply #30 on:** February 16, 2016, 08:38:06 PM »

I also found the Crosman vigilante. Watched a video and with there crony test they got around 4 fpe which is enough for a squirel head shot I think. I want to know if it is accurate enough. Thanks

Tonycalves · « **Reply #31 on:** February 16, 2016, 10:57:48 PM »

My FX Verminator shoots HnN Hollow Points at 480 on low. And at 25 yards it bounced off a squirrels head. Saw the squirrel in a tree with a round impression on the side of his head. I would get someting with a little more @@@.

19Sheridan57 · « **Reply #32 on:** February 17, 2016, 06:57:00 AM »

I would not use the P-17 for hunting , because of lowpower.

Yes , Hatsan 25 & Browning 800 are the same, but I think only the Hatsan has the desirable " Quattro " trigger. Many times, you can find a sale on the Hatsan, but rarely on the Browning. If you get the Super-Tact with removable stock, you can use it as a rifle or carry as a pistol & have the stock in a backpack , etc. My 25 Super_tact in .177 is rated at 800 fps using lead & The pellets I shoot come in at 790-795. It likes heavier lead pellets, too, but of course that means lower speed, but still packs a wallop.

39M · « **Reply #33 on:** February 17, 2016, 07:17:04 AM »

That Super-tact is heavy. Five and a half pound pistol?

19Sheridan57 · « **Reply #34 on:** February 17, 2016, 07:25:46 AM »

Quote from: 39M on February 17, 2016, 07:17:04 AM

That Super-tact is heavy. Five and a half pound pistol?

Yep, that is for the pistol & stock . Pistol alone , is just under 4 lbs. Most all powerful spring/piston pistols I have seen are quite heavy. .177 in this one is a true 800fps. Some other brand names will claim 600 fps & you only get 450 - 500. I don't know, but there may be some that are as powerful, that are lighter. If this was a very light pistol, I would think the " TWANG " would destroy it before long ! LOL

maraudinglizard · « **Reply #35 on:** February 17, 2016, 07:29:14 AM »

The hatsans are heavy and a bear to cock as well. 58lbs of cocking effort. I have the Model .25 spring piston in .22 and with the scope it weighs close to 5lbs.

39M · « **Reply #36 on:** February 17, 2016, 07:45:39 AM »

Quote from: 19Sheridan57 on February 17, 2016, 07:25:46 AM

Quote from: 39M on February 17, 2016, 07:17:04 AM
That Super-tact is heavy. Five and a half pound pistol?

Yep, that is for the pistol & stock . Pistol alone , is just under 4 lbs. Most all powerful spring/piston pistols I have seen are quite heavy. .177 in this one is a true 800fps. Some other brand names will claim 600 fps & you only get 450 - 500. I don't know, but there may be some that are as powerful, that are lighter. If this was a very light pistol, I would think the " TWANG " would destroy it before long ! LOL

All the sites I have looked at list it at 700 fps.

And PA claims that the .22 version comes in at 450 fps. 150 fps slower than the listed 600 fps.

Still a cool looking setup though.

19Sheridan57 · « **Reply #37 on:** February 17, 2016, 08:08:55 AM »

I am wrong. Looked back over my notes after seeing that they WERE rated at 700 fps. Mine was chronied at 690-695fps. A Hatsan rifle was the one rated at 800 & I was getting 790-795 with it.
I am surprised at the lower than rated velocity of the .22. Hatsan does not exaggerate on the models I have seen & read about. If I bought a new .22 & the true fps were taht much lower,, I would send it back to Hatsan. I know someone who did that with one of their rifles & it came back close to rated fps.

Sorry, for my mistake !

39M · « **Reply #38 on:** February 17, 2016, 08:11:49 AM »

Quote from: maraudinglizard on February 17, 2016, 07:29:14 AM

The hatsans are heavy and a bear to cock as well. 58lbs of cocking effort. I have the Model .25 spring piston in .22 and with the scope it weighs close to 5lbs.

58 POUNDS to cock it?!!
So I'd have to carry a two pound extension pipe to slip over the barrel for leverage, bringing the weight up to seven and a half pounds. And then I like a scope on a rifle/carbine, so a little over eight pounds.
That's not sounding like such a fun camping toy to me.

19Sheridan57 · « **Reply #39 on:** February 17, 2016, 08:13:54 AM »

Quote from: 39M on February 17, 2016, 08:11:49 AM

Quote from: maraudinglizard on February 17, 2016, 07:29:14 AM
The hatsans are heavy and a bear to cock as well. 58lbs of cocking effort. I have the Model .25 spring piston in .22 and with the scope it weighs close to 5lbs.
58 POUNDS to cock it?!!
So I'd have to carry a two pound extension pipe to slip over the barrel for leverage, bringing the weight up to seven and a half pounds. And then I like a scope on a rifle/carbine, so a little over eight pounds.
That's not sounding like such a fun camping toy to me.

YEP. It has a screw on extension that seems short, but really helps. A few times I tried to cock it without it & it was tough !

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