hatsan 95 .22 Loctite void warranty ?

[JimR]

As some of you know, and have offered a lot of helpful info, I am having a hard time with my hatsan 95. It seems to like JSB 15.89g pellets best but like others, I can get 5-10 shots in 2 inches at 30 yards ( not very good ) then the groups will open up to 4 - 5 inches or more. The trigger screw works loose, I tighten it and start over. Will loctite void the warranty or PA's 30 day return policy ?

[GD Giles]

Not positive but I don't think it should. Do you have a chrony? Thomasville isn't too far away from me I don't think.

[SpiralGroove]

Hey JimR,
NO

[tennx]

Ive had a 95 for a couple of months...with the supplied scope its on the money at 75 feet (maximum distance I have to shoot) ...using CHP....gun has stayed tight...I will say this way more gun than I need for backyard plinking (all I do)...from reading about these guns, IMHO I would send your gun back....good luck

[Old Corps]

I can't imagine Hatsan would void the warranty because someone used locktite. However, I've cleaned those same threads thoroughly and applied locktite several times only to have that screw loosen up again. I ordered a different type of fastener "locker"--Vibra-Tite VC3, from Amazon. Should be here today. Hoping that this will do the job! I'll report my findings after using it.

Ed

[lefteyeshot]

Pull a patch or bore snake thru it every 4-5 shots to keep the oil out of the barrel till the gun blows it all out and keep the stock and scope tight.

[JimR]

Thanks all. GD, no I don't have a chrony but I may get one. Thomasville's about a two hour drive I think. weather doesn't look too good for shooting this weekend but I might get a few rounds off. If I don't get consistent groups soon I'll send it back. This is a replacement for the first one that had a defective safety. I realize a lot of you like to tinker with guns but I do not and I have no patience with things that don't work as they should. I didn't expect R9 results but a 1'' group at 30 yards isn't asking too much is it ? starting to question Hatsan's quality control.

[GD Giles]

I am not a tinker person at all either. I'm tied up for the next 2 Sundays; that's when I set up an indoor range at my business (we're closed on Sundays) It's only 20 yards but that's far enough to see what's happening plus it's indoors so cold/rain/dark don't matter. I'd love to meet up some time and try out another 95 for comparison's sake.

[JimR]

GD, If I keep it maybe we could work that out sometime. I stay busy most of the time, especially weekends ( fishing, grandkids, motorcycling ) but it may be doable.

[Gut2Fish]

That screw coming loose will change POI. Definitely get the heavy duty lock-tite not blue.

I don't know how hold sensitive the 95 is but do know the 125 takes some practice to shoot tight groups. Don't try to hold the gun, open palm if not resting on a bag and let the gun jump and dance all it wants during shot. It will do that same dance every time so shots group with excellent accuracy. If you actually hold or attempt to hinder guns movement you will not replicate that less movement shot every time. Let the gun dance.

If you've the Optima scope then you may be experiencing parallax at distance your shooting. Those Optima can be adjusted. Unscrew the end cover of scope. Opposite side you look through. Once that bezel is off the lens it right there and threaded. While looking through scope at distance you want to adjust it to, typical shooting distance or distance you expect to be shooting most game, slowly screw the lens and move head side to side as you do and hold scope still. The cross hairs will not move on target no matter how much you move head when properly adjusted. When turning if hairs move more then turn other direction until they stay still. Ta da! a fix parallax scope set to the distance you shoot. That will tighten up your groups.

[SteveP-52]

Just a wild guess here but on the refurbs, I'm guessing they don't replace the stock screws which means they've been in and out of the rifle a few times and Hatsan doesn't seem to use better quality screws. I've already replaced several of the front ones on my Edges, Ace Hardware has them in the hardware aisle.
You might consider taking that screw out, go to your local hardware store and get a brand new one, I think they're an M5 or M6 .50 pitch, you can match for sure in the store. Then clean everything and try loctiting the new screw in.
Just my 2 cents and usually generally worthless opinion but I would think it's worth trying a new .30 or .40 cent screw before returning the rifle.

[Yogi]

I can't imagine Hatsan would void the warranty because someone used locktite. However, I've cleaned those same threads thoroughly and applied locktite several times only to have that screw loosen up again. I ordered a different type of fastener "locker"--Vibra-Tite VC3, from Amazon. Should be here today. Hoping that this will do the job! I'll report my findings after using it.

Ed

Good stuff!
-Y

[Old Corps]

I can't imagine Hatsan would void the warranty because someone used locktite. However, I've cleaned those same threads thoroughly and applied locktite several times only to have that screw loosen up again. I ordered a different type of fastener "locker"--Vibra-Tite VC3, from Amazon. Should be here today. Hoping that this will do the job! I'll report my findings after using it.

Ed

Good stuff!

Hope so. I've applied it to the screw that goes through the trigger housing as well as the front bolt and "nut". Should be able to try it out this weekend. Stay tuned.............

Ed
-Y

[Methuselah]

I've got mine all apart on the dining room table while I finish gathering everything for my first tune.  During inspection I've noted there was already LocTite on the screws.

Also, if the screws come loose with LocTite on them there IS an issue.  Could be as simple as loose tolerance, but they should stay tight.  Perhaps it would be something easy to find if it was disassembled for inspection.

I believe if Hatsan Customer Service is contacted they would want to take care of that issue, and most folks who've sent in their rifles seem satisfied with what they got back, but that's just my $.02.  Mine was still in warranty and I didnt want to...

Hope these issues get worked out, basically I think there are issues but over all Hatsan makes a sturdy rifle.  Soft screws as mentioned, yeah.

[JimR]

Update : sending the 95 back today. Never did get it to group. Tried 7 different pellets, two scopes and open sights. Patience has run out. Really disappointed. After reading everything available, this gun was high on my list. Going to try a Walther Terrus .22 after being recommended by PA.

[Shawn_D]

The "Will X void my warranty on Y?" issue comes up frequently in other endeavors and the answer there applies to air guns as well.  When someone modifies their new car or truck, they are often told by the dealer that the warranty is void overall because of the modification.  However, because of the Moss-Magnuson act, this is not true.  The modification only affects the warranty portion for the system modified, and only if the modification caused the failure.

So, if you install a new cat-back exhaust system on your car and the alternator goes bad, you cannot be denied warranty service for the alternator; however, if that cat-back exhaust system eliminates the after-cat oxygen sensor and the computer throws codes because of it, you can be denied warranty service for fixing the codes.  If you install some ridiculously-colored headlight bulb and your air conditioner breaks, you cannot be denied warranty service for the air conditioner, but you could be denied warranty service for the headlights if you damaged the bulb sealing (or installed it improperly).

So, installing Loctite will not void the warranty on your air gun unless that Loctite is a direct cause of damage to the air gun.

[Methuselah]

The "Will X void my warranty on Y?" issue comes up frequently in other endeavors and the answer there applies to air guns as well.  When someone modifies their new car or truck, they are often told by the dealer that the warranty is void overall because of the modification.  However, because of the Moss-Magnuson act, this is not true.  The modification only affects the warranty portion for the system modified, and only if the modification caused the failure.

So, if you install a new cat-back exhaust system on your car and the alternator goes bad, you cannot be denied warranty service for the alternator; however, if that cat-back exhaust system eliminates the after-cat oxygen sensor and the computer throws codes because of it, you can be denied warranty service for fixing the codes.  If you install some ridiculously-colored headlight bulb and your air conditioner breaks, you cannot be denied warranty service for the air conditioner, but you could be denied warranty service for the headlights if you damaged the bulb sealing (or installed it improperly).

So, installing Loctite will not void the warranty on your air gun unless that Loctite is a direct cause of damage to the air gun.

As I said, they come with LocTite ... so if returned after applying it, why would you expect an issue?

JimR - some folks send them back and get another.  Why not give the 95's another shot?

[JimR]

Methuselah, this was the second 95. First one had a defective safety. This one wouldn't group. Kind of left a bad impression. Hatsan gets pretty good reviews generally and I expect they make a good gun but the two examples I received just didn't measure up. Hopeful the Walther will be a good one.

[CO_Steve]

I have a 95 Vortex refurb and don't have any problems with the screws staying tight.  I do have accuracy issues so I decided to forget the warranty and go ahead and tune it. Upon disassembly I found the factory piston seal was pretty loose. Piston would fall to the bottom on its own weight.  Waiting for a ARH seal. I've got everything polished and ready to go. JM's seal is advertised as 5 thou oversized. Hoping that makes a difference.

[robertr]

 The Walther Terrus is a good choice, I don't have one but the reviews seem positive, might be a bit slow and loopy in .22 though , if you want a flat trajectory with more speed go with .177