My gun (Titan) vs the fancy stuff

[uncle paulie]

Just to confuse you further... If you think about it, a nice multi-pump is a really a PCP in disguise and a real bargain in comparison. The firing cycle is exactly the same and there is no support equipment required. My Sheridan is quite accurate to 35 yards and gives me a bit of upper body exercise in the mix. Routinely available in nice condition for around $175 or less. But I have to admit, my current go-to gun is an AA S200. Not sure why...but I still find myself window shopping almost every day!

pv

[Sfttailrdr46]

  Come on Unclie Paulie you know that window shopping is half the fun

[cclingma]

Just to confuse you further... If you think about it, a nice multi-pump is a really a PCP in disguise and a real bargain in comparison. The firing cycle is exactly the same and there is no support equipment required. My Sheridan is quite accurate to 35 yards and gives me a bit of upper body exercise in the mix. Routinely available in nice condition for around $175 or less.
pv

I was so close to purchasing a 392 a while back.  The issues with new Sheridan quality control ultimately scared me away but I still think about it occasionally.  Sounds like finding a older one would eliminate those concerns.  Of course I'd want to make it quiet which looks like a trip to Mac1.  Then there's the scope mount, looks like Mac1 has a great fix for that too with his scope grove machining.  While it's there there would be no question that it would need his steroid conversion.  Still sounds like a trick setup when all complete.

[Marc]

I really like pumpers, but yes - I'd avoid the new Benji's big time.  I just returned a new Sheridan, it was NOTHING like the old rocker safety gun I had as a kid.

I wish they'd make some better new production pumpers - Dasiy metal recievers, old model 2100's with the oil wipers, or 2200's especially!

[goalie]

The key to happiness is figuring out how to enjoy what you already have, instead of living a continuous cycle of obtaining more.

That said, life is short.  Buy something nice to enjoy already having.....

[silent_airman]

The key to happiness is figuring out how to enjoy what you already have, instead of living a continuous cycle of obtaining more.

That said, life is short.  Buy something nice to enjoy already having.....

+1.

[cclingma]

The key to happiness is figuring out how to enjoy what you already have, instead of living a continuous cycle of obtaining more.

That said, life is short.  Buy something nice to enjoy already having.....

You said it so well.  Be content but be content with something cool!

[cherokee]

The marauder is a bolt action repeater.

Just pull the bolt, load a pellet, shoot, and do it again.
And again.

So much like a rimfire, but oh so quiet, and fulfilling..

It is a load of fun..

You left out pump, and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump.

Shoot 10 times then:
pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump.

Or you can spend over $1000 and get yourself a way to have electricity do the pumping for you.....or you can buy a tank $$$, then drive (gas)$$$, pay to have it filled $, drive home (gas)$$$ and shoot again.  Sounds like such fun.

The closest place for me to get something filled is over 45min away.....one way....two hours in the car just to get a tank filled....what a way to spend a Saturday.

Big bucket of no thanks.

I am sure one day I will own a PCP gun, the talk about how inexpensive they are is garbage....sure the gun itself might be inexpensive but if you want to shoot it hire a 12yr so he can pump the bicycle pump for you, shell out a thousand dollars plus for a pump, or hundreds of dollars for the tank and such.

Quite a bit of cork sniffing going on here, you know I shot high power, high power silhouette, small bore, PPC.....tons of different matches....been there done that, I shoot an airgun for FUN, I don't want to go to a match.  I want to sit on my front porch and shoot the old pop cans, have the 2100 with one pump to zap the deer so they don't eat the wife's tulips. I enjoy my "cheapo" guns, I find they shoot well, and I enjoy trying to make them shoot as well as they can.  I will keep and enjoy my sub $300 spring and CO2 guns, just bought a Fusion and LOVE it.  Set it on a lead sled and I am amazed how well it shoots.

Nope if it was me and I owned the Titan I would be more then happy with the dime sized groups, and working on my skills to make them better (let me know when you want to sell it to fund some of the stuff you are going to need to enjoy the PCP rifle you are drooling over)

This is all just ME, and what (I) like....everyone is different...we all like different things.  My view on "cheap" rifles is yes they are pretty INEXPENSIVE but there are some real jewels out there that are just amazing...QB anyone...but in the end I would say, if your wallet can afford it go for it, you only go this way one time.  Don't neglect your other duties, but you are allowed to enjoy yourself as well.

Have fun that is what it is all about.

[Sfttailrdr46]

  Having fun is what it is all about ! Years ago I spent literally thousands of dollars on downhill ski equipment and lift tickets ski vacations and all I have to show for it are some great memories also had a 28 ft sport fisherman for about 10 years same story lots of money spent many great times and pictures from those trips also. Now it is pellet rifles and more great times and building on the memories so at the end of the day it is about what you want and feel comfortable spending to get . As they say you can't take it with you.

[cclingma]

You left out pump, and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump.

I hear ya.  That's too much pumping for a few shots.  I too am not willing to spend compressor money at this point and can't stomach being tied to a tank that someone else fills, so leaves me looking at pumps.  My reading here makes me believe there are some guns the either by smaller resivor or lower fill pressure wouldn't be bad to pump.   Examples of such guns include the FDPCP, Discovery, and Marauder pistol.  I find myself leaning heavily toward the Marauder pistol because..........repeater, lightweight, 24 good shots per fill with a moderate tune, repeater, shrouded, repeater.  I hit on the repeater bit a little hard but that really has my attention.  I think they say 48 pumps for those 24 shots.  I see that as twice the pumping of a springer but 1/4 the pumps of the good MSP.  So many things to think about, but I enjoy just thinking about it.

[Booger]

Having fun is what it is all about ! Years ago I spent literally thousands of dollars on downhill ski equipment and lift tickets ski vacations and all I have to show for it are some great memories also had a 28 ft sport fisherman for about 10 years same story lots of money spent many great times and pictures from those trips also. Now it is pellet rifles and more great times and building on the memories so at the end of the day it is about what you want and feel comfortable spending to get . As they say you can't take it with you.

+1 When you reach that age, it is not about the money. I went to my first FT competition and it was a blast. While my score was DNF it was a great time. Two hours driving there, and  two hours home. It was the most fun shooting I have had in a long time.

[cherokee]

You left out pump, and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump.

I hear ya.  That's too much pumping for a few shots.  I too am not willing to spend compressor money at this point and can't stomach being tied to a tank that someone else fills, so leaves me looking at pumps.  My reading here makes me believe there are some guns the either by smaller resivor or lower fill pressure wouldn't be bad to pump.   Examples of such guns include the FDPCP, Discovery, and Marauder pistol.  I find myself leaning heavily toward the Marauder pistol because..........repeater, lightweight, 24 good shots per fill with a moderate tune, repeater, shrouded, repeater.  I hit on the repeater bit a little hard but that really has my attention.  I think they say 48 pumps for those 24 shots.  I see that as twice the pumping of a springer but 1/4 the pumps of the good MSP.  So many things to think about, but I enjoy just thinking about it.

That is a good way to look at it, about 1/4 the pumps of a MSP....however even a cheap MSP seems to out last the bicycle pumps, just based on what I read here.  Replacing the seals on your $200 bicycle pump just seems like one more thing I have to take care of in addition to the gun itself.  I started shooting air rifles for two reasons, 1) after surgery I really can't take the recoil I once did, and 2) it is to be less intensive in the taking care of the shooting gear department.  If I want all that headache and/or expense to shoot PCP I will just start reloading again, and shooting pistols again...just move to 38 super, 28g shotgun league, and a M1 Carbine for my military matches.  Can't figure out the high power side of things, but smallbore is still a non issue and no loading required.

No for me PCP is still to big a pain.  It will get better and more inexpensive, I am more then happy to let others lead the way....then when they have the $2,000 compressor and the $300 units first hit the shelf that is when I will jump in....and they will jump to the next new (hay look at me) way of shooting pellets that comes along.

[silent_airman]

You left out pump, and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump.

I hear ya.  That's too much pumping for a few shots.  I too am not willing to spend compressor money at this point and can't stomach being tied to a tank that someone else fills, so leaves me looking at pumps.  My reading here makes me believe there are some guns the either by smaller resivor or lower fill pressure wouldn't be bad to pump.   Examples of such guns include the FDPCP, Discovery, and Marauder pistol.  I find myself leaning heavily toward the Marauder pistol because..........repeater, lightweight, 24 good shots per fill with a moderate tune, repeater, shrouded, repeater.  I hit on the repeater bit a little hard but that really has my attention.  I think they say 48 pumps for those 24 shots.  I see that as twice the pumping of a springer but 1/4 the pumps of the good MSP.  So many things to think about, but I enjoy just thinking about it.

That is a good way to look at it, about 1/4 the pumps of a MSP....however even a cheap MSP seems to out last the bicycle pumps, just based on what I read here.  Replacing the seals on your $200 bicycle pump just seems like one more thing I have to take care of in addition to the gun itself.  I started shooting air rifles for two reasons, 1) after surgery I really can't take the recoil I once did, and 2) it is to be less intensive in the taking care of the shooting gear department.  If I want all that headache and/or expense to shoot PCP I will just start reloading again, and shooting pistols again...just move to 38 super, 28g shotgun league, and a M1 Carbine for my military matches.  Can't figure out the high power side of things, but smallbore is still a non issue and no loading required.

No for me PCP is still to big a pain.  It will get better and more inexpensive, I am more then happy to let others lead the way....then when they have the $2,000 compressor and the $300 units first hit the shelf that is when I will jump in....and they will jump to the next new (hay look at me) way of shooting pellets that comes along.

+1 on everything you've said about PCP Cherokee. Back when I had a good, steady income I looked into PCP and crunched the numbers. Insanely expensive for what you get. Now that I live on a fixed income, it just ain't happening. My Ruger 10/22 can run rings around most PCP guns. Even with ammo shortages it is a better system for me. I have enough 22lr on hand for the occasional shoot, so bye bye PCP.

Nope, I prefer simple systems. I like the idea of grabbing a gun, putting on shooting glasses, grabbing a tin of pellets and going outside for a relaxing shoot. It's getting to the point that I don't even want to bother with lugging CO2 carts around. I am coming around to thinking that self contained guns are the thing for me. MSP, SSP, and gas piston are what I use the most now, and will be the guns I can use in cooler temps without the limitations of CO2. Heck, I may even break my taboo against springers and this time get a non magnum. Just something inexpensive for plinking, where I don't have to worry too much about hold sensitivity. Either use a cheap scope, or just find one with decent iron sights and call it a day. When I get some spare cash, I might just give Mr Melick a call and see what he can whip up.

It comes to a point where you just have to lower your sights and shoot at what you can hit. And have fun doing it. As the Bible says, be content with such things as you have. That shiny new expensive gun will just lead you on a merry chase to wanting more, more more. I know, because I went on that chase.

'nuff said. Have fun and be safe out there!

[cherokee]

You left out pump, and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump,and pump.

I hear ya.  That's too much pumping for a few shots.  I too am not willing to spend compressor money at this point and can't stomach being tied to a tank that someone else fills, so leaves me looking at pumps.  My reading here makes me believe there are some guns the either by smaller resivor or lower fill pressure wouldn't be bad to pump.   Examples of such guns include the FDPCP, Discovery, and Marauder pistol.  I find myself leaning heavily toward the Marauder pistol because..........repeater, lightweight, 24 good shots per fill with a moderate tune, repeater, shrouded, repeater.  I hit on the repeater bit a little hard but that really has my attention.  I think they say 48 pumps for those 24 shots.  I see that as twice the pumping of a springer but 1/4 the pumps of the good MSP.  So many things to think about, but I enjoy just thinking about it.

That is a good way to look at it, about 1/4 the pumps of a MSP....however even a cheap MSP seems to out last the bicycle pumps, just based on what I read here.  Replacing the seals on your $200 bicycle pump just seems like one more thing I have to take care of in addition to the gun itself.  I started shooting air rifles for two reasons, 1) after surgery I really can't take the recoil I once did, and 2) it is to be less intensive in the taking care of the shooting gear department.  If I want all that headache and/or expense to shoot PCP I will just start reloading again, and shooting pistols again...just move to 38 super, 28g shotgun league, and a M1 Carbine for my military matches.  Can't figure out the high power side of things, but smallbore is still a non issue and no loading required.

No for me PCP is still to big a pain.  It will get better and more inexpensive, I am more then happy to let others lead the way....then when they have the $2,000 compressor and the $300 units first hit the shelf that is when I will jump in....and they will jump to the next new (hay look at me) way of shooting pellets that comes along.

+1 on everything you've said about PCP Cherokee. Back when I had a good, steady income I looked into PCP and crunched the numbers. Insanely expensive for what you get. Now that I live on a fixed income, it just ain't happening. My Ruger 10/22 can run rings around most PCP guns. Even with ammo shortages it is a better system for me. I have enough 22lr on hand for the occasional shoot, so bye bye PCP.

Nope, I prefer simple systems. I like the idea of grabbing a gun, putting on shooting glasses, grabbing a tin of pellets and going outside for a relaxing shoot. It's getting to the point that I don't even want to bother with lugging CO2 carts around. I am coming around to thinking that self contained guns are the thing for me. MSP, SSP, and gas piston are what I use the most now, and will be the guns I can use in cooler temps without the limitations of CO2. Heck, I may even break my taboo against springers and this time get a non magnum. Just something inexpensive for plinking, where I don't have to worry too much about hold sensitivity. Either use a cheap scope, or just find one with decent iron sights and call it a day. When I get some spare cash, I might just give Mr Melick a call and see what he can whip up.

It comes to a point where you just have to lower your sights and shoot at what you can hit. And have fun doing it. As the Bible says, be content with such things as you have. That shiny new expensive gun will just lead you on a merry chase to wanting more, more more. I know, because I went on that chase.

'nuff said. Have fun and be safe out there!

Spot on, but one thing you did miss on....you said it comes to a point where you lower your sights.....I disagree with that, IMHO you are not lowering your sights....you are not making due....you are not buying lesser....or anything along those lines.   Those that have the PCP and German guns with names most Americans can't pronounce want you to think you have something that is an "OK Starter" gun, or something till you get a real gun.  Ok that's fine, In my book I buy the best tool for doing the job I want to do.  I want to sit on my porch, talk to the wife while she reads a book and shoot stuff, or have my kid next to me (on the odd chance a 17yr old would want to do anything with his dad) and shoot together....no ears, just popping this or that....and you know what those cheap guns work just fine.

And the odd thing is in my experience a great many of those with the Anschutz rifle and a vest with their name on the back can't shoot any better then the guy with the walmart 10/22 and a BSA sweet 22 scope....but they sure talk a big game till you start to score the little bits of paper.....after that they tend to get real quiet.

This has been fun but I am done here.