Noise priority

[grobe1458]

it would be wise to check your state laws, there are several states that consider airguns firearms each state is different but if you live in a state where they are considered firearms and or any sound reduction is considered illegal then you will be dealing with a nightmare.
as state law supercedes federal law like here in NJ, it can be a serious problem with mandatory sentencing being 20 years.
just do the research for your state regardless what anyone says.

[LDP]

^^^^^ absolutely correct!

[c2k5]

You can sup­press a .22lr for the same price as a good air rifle, they're just too powerful for most air rifle situations. One thing that is super loud even with a suppressed .22 is the ricochet. You never get to really hear them with the muzzle blast, but when they're suppressed you'd be surprised at just how loud the twang of one is. Another thing is that once everything is all done with the cost of your rifle, tax stamp, and ldc you're going to be around $8-900. With the base rifle being that cheap it's not going to come close to being as accurate as an air rifle in the same price range. Good luck finding low priced regular .22 ammo, let alone the match ammo if you want good accuracy. If a cop finds you shooting an air rifle when the city ordinance doesn't allow it chances are if you're nice he'll shrug it off and give you a warning. No way that's going to happen with a firearm putting out that much power.

Air rifles and powder burners fill 2 different roles. I would say comparing them is apples to oranges, even from a sound standpoint.

Also LDP, with .22lr and many pistol cartridges there is no need for subsonic ammo if the unit is built to not need it. They can slow the bullet to sub sonic speeds before they exit the barrel. I'm not too sure how it works however I've shot an integrally suppr­essed .22lr that could eat any ammo with no crack.

[Rdsail]

I was able to shot a QE hatsan Next to my mrod the other day. The mord is quieter. The QE shroud is not that effective in my opinion. Don't take me wrong. it does quiet it down a lot but I anyone has neighbors near by I would go with the mrod.

To put it in perspective, It is as loud (a little less) as my AA MPR FT that only has an air stripper. Granted this gun in only 12fpe, but If I had neighbors nearby I would be putting a LDC on it.

[rkr]

I work for a class 3 dealer we sale controled items and also handle the transfer for people. I know that there are no quality items for $60 - $70 for firearms. If it is that cheap then it is garbage or made illegally without going thru all the needed paper with the BATF. None of that really matters because if you saved even $100 from the cost of a mrod or Hatsan you still have the city ordnance to abide by if you live in the city and the problem with finding subsonic 22 lr. In the quantity needed to use it as a plinker and at a reasonable cost.

We are treading very close to forum rules by continuing this debate and out of respect to the forum rules and the OP for hijacking the thread this is my last comment on the subject of sound

I suppose prices depend on where you live, SAK monocore (rather good one) is 40 euros here and Ase Utra (excellent one) is 90 euros.

[LDP]

Very true RKR. It looks as tho you live outside the US.  Here in the US they are highly controlled so the cost is higher.

[Phire Phite]

Do they make the thread patterns different for the 2 assuring that you wouldn't be able to use them for both?  Seems that would help with the controversy.  Unless of course if you live in one of "those" states.

[LDP]

Yes. Firearms use a 1/2 x 28 tpi pattern and another that is larger diameter for .308 and all airguns i have seen are 1/2 x 20 tpi. So you would have to make or buy an adapter to attach an ldc that was built with the intention of only being used on an airgun to be able to attach it to a firearm. The BATF says you can use an ldc on an airgun but not a firearm without paper work. The law states the BATF has to prove intent to attach a device to a firearm to prosecute you for an illegal device. So if you build or buy an ldc with the common airgun thread then it cannot be attached to a firearm and so they would not be able to say you intended to use it on a firearm. Thats where people get in trouble they do something that shows intent to use the item in a manner that breaks the law.

[Gatorproof]

So I'm wanting to go to the darkside .  If my main concern would be noise output, what would be my best bet?  My guess would be m-rod.?.  Not willing to hear about an fx or things of the such, as I'm not that rich....yet. This would be in .25 as well.
Thanks guys/gals.  This forum rocks btw, but you knew that.
-Jason

Here is video that shows the new Hatsam AT44QE is quiet enough to only here the ping of the hammer, listen for yourself.

http://www.airgundepot.com/hatsan-quiet-energy-series.html

Be Well,
Gator

[livinthedream]

Ldp is 100% correct also you need to check your local airgun laws if you live in a stste that considers an airgun a firearm then you will run yourself into a bit of trouble but if you live in a state that does not consider a airgun a firearm then you are good to go and an ldc would be a good choice for catching that pesky lead dust as well as not disturbing your neighbors

[rkr]

Yes. Firearms use a 1/2 x 28 tpi pattern and another that is larger diameter for .308 and all airguns i have seen are 1/2 x 20 tpi. So you would have to make or buy an adapter to attach an ldc that was built with the intention of only being used on an airgun to be able to attach it to a firearm. The BATF says you can use an ldc on an airgun but not a firearm without paper work. The law states the BATF has to prove intent to attach a device to a firearm to prosecute you for an illegal device. So if you build or buy an ldc with the common airgun thread then it cannot be attached to a firearm and so they would not be able to say you intended to use it on a firearm. Thats where people get in trouble they do something that shows intent to use the item in a manner that breaks the law.

In Europe they all use 1/2" x 20 tpi threads and you can use the same device in both firearms and air guns. Perhaps something to be aware of.

[rkr]

So I'm wanting to go to the darkside .  If my main concern would be noise output, what would be my best bet?  My guess would be m-rod.?.  Not willing to hear about an fx or things of the such, as I'm not that rich....yet. This would be in .25 as well.
Thanks guys/gals.  This forum rocks btw, but you knew that.
-Jason

Here is video that shows the new Hatsam AT44QE is quiet enough to only here the ping of the hammer, listen for yourself.

http://www.airgundepot.com/hatsan-quiet-energy-series.html

Be Well,
Gator

I know something about LDCs having designed a few for small and big bore airguns and I highly doubt that the volume in those Hatsan LDCs is enough to make them quiet as such. It will reduce the noise but with the power those guns are making I wouldn't shoot one in my garage without earplugs.

[LDP]

In Europe they all use 1/2" x 20 tpi threads and you can use the same device in both firearms and air guns. Perhaps something to be aware of.

Because you do not need to pay for a tax stamp and do paper work in Europe to buy a suppressor. In the U.S. they do not share a common thread size. I believe the op lives in the U.S.