a thought about polymags

[phantomshtter]

Has anyone ever considered this one?  With a head shot on a thick skulled critter, could the polymer tip in these actually cause a deflection of the actual pellet?  Essentially the tip is placed there for better penetration and expansion but I don't see that applying to a thick coon skull.  Instead I see creating a somewhat deflective barrier between a solid instant impact with the lead on the skull.  I think the polymags... scratch that, I know the polymags are devastating to fleshy impact areas like the body but they may be a poor choice for a direct energy impact to a skull. 

Thoughts or insight?

[Petey]

Just an Idea....
Pop a nutter with a lead pellet ,then shoot it in the noggin with a Polymag  . 
How else we gonna know?

Happy Shootin!
Petey

[phantomshtter]

Just an Idea....
Pop a nutter with a lead pellet ,then shoot it in the noggin with a Polymag  . 
How else we gonna know?

Happy Shootin!
Petey

Well I could show you a pick of the devastation from a polymag on a nutter head but I don't think this is the gate or forum for that one. lol  I mainly apply this thought to the heavy thick skull of the Raccoon though.  It makes perfect sense in my head that it may be a bad pellet choice for that job.  Seems that even a slightly angled impact with the tip could throw off the energy transfer enough to render a shot a glancing blow.  However I also know that my head is thick as well and a strange place to broadcast from.  This may just make sense to me alone.

[kj]

i believe you're correct, or that it is at least a possibility.  round nose for penetrattion. in my .22 i like to shoot wadcutters at smaller stuff cuz they smack hard and less chance to over-penetrate,. at further distance or on bigger things i believe round nose is best.

peace
kj

[Brewerja]

my thoughts are,.... if you pack 30fpe behind even rice crispy, or a balled up piece of paper, its still gunna do some damage. Those polymags really shine when you get them up to about 900fps. in 22cal, thats 30+fpe.
i think that the polytips have some give to em, so in slow mo, the moment of impact, the plastic tip begins to crush and crumple, then lead behind the tip begins to fold and crumple around the tip and drive it into place.
i think of it as, using a nail gun. they BLAST the nails into the wood at any angle reguardless of pitch  or hardness of wood. the energy of the nail pulverizes the first couple of mm of material and cuts a path/tunnel for the rest of the nail to follow.  I would use the polys more if they were more accurate and fit in my mrod mags, but unfortunately, they are a tad gimmickey, back heavy and dont preform at long distances the way i need them too. The JSB 18gr heavies are devastating even at 75yds and beyond for my setup.
I will take the accuracy before i settle for anything else, even if they have greater terminal ballistics and dump their energy into the critter.
Bottom line, i dont think you will see the polymags bounching off stuff since they are relatively soft, and they definatly wont bounce if you get them up to the required velocity to make a full implosion mushrooming effect 

[HCAirgunner]

Pop a nutter with a lead pellet ,then shoot it in the noggin with a Polymag  . 
How else we gonna know?

Ha ha! I've said it before, and I will say it again: posts on this forum need to have LIKE buttons, the way they do on Facebook. 

[phantomshtter]

my thoughts are,.... if you pack 30fpe behind even rice crispy, or a balled up piece of paper, its still gunna do some damage. Those polymags really shine when you get them up to about 900fps. in 22cal, thats 30+fpe.
i think that the polytips have some give to em, so in slow mo, the moment of impact, the plastic tip begins to crush and crumple, then lead behind the tip begins to fold and crumple around the tip and drive it into place.
i think of it as, using a nail gun. they BLAST the nails into the wood at any angle reguardless of pitch  or hardness of wood. the energy of the nail pulverizes the first couple of mm of material and cuts a path/tunnel for the rest of the nail to follow.  I would use the polys more if they were more accurate and fit in my mrod mags, but unfortunately, they are a tad gimmickey, back heavy and dont preform at long distances the way i need them too. The JSB 18gr heavies are devastating even at 75yds and beyond for my setup.
I will take the accuracy before i settle for anything else, even if they have greater terminal ballistics and dump their energy into the critter.
Bottom line, i dont think you will see the polymags bounching off stuff since they are relatively soft, and they definatly wont bounce if you get them up to the required velocity to make a full implosion mushrooming effect 

Ya know in my mind I wasn't picturing the impact at a high enough velocity I suppose.  There would be too much forward driven energy for the pellet to be driven off it's set course.  I would LOVE to see a super slo mo impact of a polymag pellet!   

[Ginuwine]

"Like"  slow motion.

[amb5500c]

Just a thought: Even if the little red tip DOES cause a slight deflection, the pellet is already close enough to the target so that the deflection might only be a 1000th of an inch. Does it really matter?
Richard

[Bwalton]

why not just go with the metal mags? although polys don't have a problem either....

[drewciferpike]

Just a thought: Even if the little red tip DOES cause a slight deflection, the pellet is already close enough to the target so that the deflection might only be a 1000th of an inch. Does it really matter?
Richard

This ^

Unless you're gunning for something that deserves PB or big-bore power, I don't see that big of a problem. If accuracy is there, even a coon skull won't do much against 25+ fpe. I figure just about any pellet has a chance of deflecting if you're hitting bones at a shallow angle, so if you're hitting it right...

[AK73]

I've thought that same thing...but I may have read someone else say that first though...I can't remember!

[CorvidKiller]

I shot a coon with a polymag once with my 12 FPE .177 from about 15 yards. The pellet entered his forehead and he dropped like a ton of bricks.

[AK73]

I shot a coon with a polymag once with my 12 FPE .177 from about 15 yards. The pellet entered his forehead and he dropped like a ton of bricks.

Wow! A coon with a 12 FPE .177!

[DavidS]

I shot a coon with a polymag once with my 12 FPE .177 from about 15 yards. The pellet entered his forehead and he dropped like a ton of bricks.

Wow! A coon with a 12 FPE .177!

Long ago I droped many coon with a .177 that only produced around 8FPE, though NOT with a head shot (lower power worked better with heart lung shots, or spine shots).       I would not do that any more. Now I would want at least a 10FPE gun, and prefer a 12FPE gun for a coon.

As to polymags I would say put out a 1/8 inch aluminum sheet at your hunting range, and hit it at about 30 degrees angle and see how a polymag penetrates.  I know that a .177 9.63 grain pointed  pellet with a BC of 0.026 will pass right through out of any air gun that produces at least 8FPE at the muzzle at a target range of 10 yards, and that is about the same hardness of a coon skull.