Inside the 125 sniper & tear down n tune Part #4 -B-

[Mike 4888blues]

Inside the 125 sniper & tear down n tune Part #4 -B-
Click the link under the picture when it opens,then enlarge it very big!

Looks like the notes I posted in some pictures are still to small to read

 The receivers on the spring compressor, we are installing it all back together.
the pictures have notes in some some so you want to enlarge and zoom in.

 The spring is lubed  both ends  are molly pasted, the middle of the spring I use euro lube blended with a little spring cylinder oil .
Note ***
 The trigger block was removed by using a smaller retaining pin  I made to hold the sear in place  yet still allowed me to pull it out from the welded bracket.
What is not seen here, is me messing it up and having to pull all the trigger pieces out and reinstalling them, when the main trigger housing was installed back into the receiver. my small trigger retaining pin  fell out because it was not fat enough .

If that happens to you, you will need explicit instruction on  re installing your trigger parts back, as well as the quattro trigger picture off of the webley  patriot rifle on American arms web site. or you will be  going in one long circle ready to pull your hair out, or calling on that nurse lol

 I found the triggers housing holding the parts  were to tight and had to spread it wider at the bottom so the sear and engaged piece would not be jammed, I also found the spring was disconnected on the sear as the  spring loops were not closed properly

The 125 sniper with its enlarged receivers end piece was a  " p i t a."
 because they made it to big and it likes to bind, as it goes back into the receiver, it would be a good ideal to fine sand the end piece down if you have  the means to  do it properly.
I will next time when I do the 125 .25

This will give some members  a view on doing the 125 ,but if you dont already have  some tunes under your belt, Your going to wind up needing help, I do not recommend any one doing this if it your first time.

 Doing a rifle from start to finish is a bunch of steps, and sections to get thru, it takes good mechanical ability, patients, and lot's  of good information.

This hatsan was pretty  darn good ,except it was the hardest  to break down by far, I swear there has to be people planted in that hatsan plant, messing  up what ever they can. 
It is coming down  to the workers work you can see it clear as day.
The bolts on this were so tight way beyond normal.
I hope some members  learned something, beside not buying another hatsan lol

It is a shame  I loved there line oh'' well, I have what I want from them and that's it, no more, the two snipers .22 & .25 I will keep them for ever lol 
 

[z28rod]

Excellent Mike.

[GunnerAl]

Looks like - You mess with those guns, and she'll mess with yours

[Ray]

Great job Mike.So I guess the 125 sniper is'nt so easy to work on?

[WHITEFANG]

New trick on the compressing??? I did not make a special adapter for the safety area on the compressor. I had the barrel off of the WFH. I used a 3/8" small piece of plate and put it up to the forks and placed the compressor on the barrel end. The spring end I just used a wood block againest it. Yes these guns are a mess to tear down. The rear piece is over sized. The trigger has to-be removed to get the spring out. The issue I had was the rear block which the trigger drops down in is super tight. That's why I had to disassemble the trigger as well and still had trouble getting the housing out. The trigger in the WFH is diffent than the drawing of the parts break down. Mine has the trigger that is in the WEBLEY-SCOT. Both are Quattro triggers.

[fortyshooter]

Why does an air rifle trigger have to be so complicated? I took a look at mine,and there are a lot of pieces in that thing!

[WHITEFANG]

Don't look at it too hard. The thing will fal apart if you are noe carefull. I tape the trigger assembley 1st thing when removing the stock.  Not something you will look forward to in putting it back together and you can put back together wrong as well. When this happens usually it will not lock the piston when cocking.

[Mike 4888blues]

Great job Mike.So I guess the 125 sniper is'nt so easy to work on?

Hi Ray.
 Since they changed the end piece on the receiver, that made it a bit tough, and the bolts being air gunned rammed  beyond reasonable measure was not supposed to be there either. If a rifle is made properly, with good solid steel it would be easier going, unfortunately we have no Q C at the hatsan plant, and I dont like the steel used on there bolts

[Mike 4888blues]

Don't look at it too hard. The thing will fal apart if you are noe carefull. I tape the trigger assembley 1st thing when removing the stock.  Not something you will look forward to in putting it back together and you can put back together wrong as well. When this happens usually it will not lock the piston when cocking.

Hi O C.

 Yep  lol.
Its  actually better if you able  to remove all the triggers pieces in this case,if you know the SECRET lol  of putting  it back correctly, just 1 wrong move and it will not work.
My trigger parts housing was too tight at the bottom as well,I had  to pry it open wider so the two sear pieces would fit properly with out  jamming inside the housing.

 It would of worked had my undersized pin not fallen out   but then I also found the sear spring disconnected gracious I had to close the spring  loop on both sides.
 That's ridicules but that's  what I found

 But you know what, you learn something  every time another tid bit to add to your experience.
Can you image how  much  bob and gene  have learned in  all there years of doing this. think about that.

[Mike 4888blues]

Why does an air rifle trigger have to be so complicated? I took a look at mine,and there are a lot of pieces in that thing!

Well the trigger does a complicated task ,it has to be strong, yet function well, and be reliable,  holding back such force yet with a little pressure on the trigger, it can release  it. the word is trigger"  its a strong force being held back, that is released by a triggered effect of 2 lb pressure or more

The more you understand how to  reinstall  its pieces the simpler it really  is
I can help you with that if you want.  zoom in  on  the triggers pieces on the patriot picture,
but its the reinstalling procedure that has  to be followed correctly

 zoom in  also and read the notes I posted of  my trigger pictures as well.

[WHITEFANG]

Hey Mike!!! Did the 125 have the divot on the end of the rear block for the spring guide to set? On the WFH it looked like they had ground it off.

[Mike 4888blues]

Hey Mike!!! Did the 125 have the divot on the end of the rear block for the spring guide to set? On the WFH it looked like they had ground it off.

Hi O C
Yes it did  have that nipple like the wfh did

  I will be honing down  the end piece  circumference smaller, when I do  the sniper.25, I am not going thru what I did  again  with putting the spring assembly back that was ridicules to say the least
 

[Mike 4888blues]

Looks like - You mess with those guns, and she'll mess with yours

lol

[Mike 4888blues]

New trick on the compressing??? I did not make a special adapter for the safety area on the compressor. I had the barrel off of the WFH. I used a 3/8" small piece of plate and put it up to the forks and placed the compressor on the barrel end. The spring end I just used a wood block againest it. Yes these guns are a mess to tear down. The rear piece is over sized. The trigger has to-be removed to get the spring out. The issue I had was the rear block which the trigger drops down in is super tight. That's why I had to disassemble the trigger as well and still had trouble getting the housing out. The trigger in the WFH is diffent than the drawing of the parts break down. Mine has the trigger that is in the WEBLEY-SCOT. Both are Quattro triggers.

I dont know O C  I dont think I like pushing  up against the fork with the Barrel off,

 I rather feel better  knowing I never did anything to possibly cause a issue on the fork, it probably would not happen but my mind doesn't feel good about doing it like  that, neat ideal  though reversed  engineering lol

[WHITEFANG]

I put the barrel bolt in and tightened it. The steel plate fit good over the front. The front was under less stress than PUSHING FROM THE REAR. You maybe right.

[Mike 4888blues]

I put the barrel bolt in and tightened it. The steel plate fit good over the front. The front was under less stress than PUSHING FROM THE REAR. You maybe right.

 Be cool to make a inner piece to go between the fork then put the bolt thru,  then it be  safe  I like the ideal  if  only for having a piece  in between.
. see you may just came  up with a good ideal, how is it then  to work the one end while keeping the spring assembly straight while re loading back into the receiver

[WHITEFANG]

I put the barrel bolt in and tightened it. The steel plate fit good over the front. The front was under less stress than PUSHING FROM THE REAR. You maybe right.

 Be cool to make a inner piece to go between the fork then put the bolt thru,  then it be  safe  I like the ideal  if  only for having a piece  in between.
. see you may just came  up with a good ideal, how is it then  to work the one end while keeping the spring assembly straight while re loading back into the receiver

Worked out better to me. Heck of lot easier than the trigger. Seemed like less effort from the forks

[Mike 4888blues]

I put the barrel bolt in and tightened it. The steel plate fit good over the front. The front was under less stress than PUSHING FROM THE REAR. You maybe right.

 Be cool to make a inner piece to go between the fork then put the bolt thru,  then it be  safe  I like the ideal  if  only for having a piece  in between.
. see you may just came  up with a good ideal, how is it then  to work the one end while keeping the spring assembly straight while re loading back into the receiver

Worked out better to me. Heck of lot easier than the trigger. Seemed like less effort from the forks

 was that the wfh you talking about??  the sniper  is way different then the wfh was

[WHITEFANG]

My WFH hunter is by the pictures I saw of yours the same. The early WFH and talone were different. My WFH was the SAS Quattro just had the nitro. Gun might be a year old.

[Mike 4888blues]

My WFH hunter is by the pictures I saw of yours the same. The early WFH and talone were different. My WFH was the SAS Quattro just had the nitro. Gun might be a year old.

 the sniper is n the one that was a tight fit, i took the top hat  out I made tried a thinner one now took that out  and just left the fiber washer..

 the springs so big I dont think the  sniper likes  any thing  except a spring friction washer, i was  shooting it yesterday  and it has that twist  to it, so now I will see when I  get the stock on i bet it will be normal now.

I made a new adapter today for the sniper as well,  and it work better when  putting  the assembly back in

 t t ya la