pellet on top of scope

[chet]

 i see videos where shooters put a pellet on top of the turret can on spring guns, fire the shot and the pellet is still there, i tried it on my stock HW97K in a 177 and the pellet does fall off, my gun is shooting the 8gr pellets at 880fps, i am going to tune my HW97K shortly, other than the machining a fitted spring guide and a tophat what else plays a part of keeping the pellet on the scope during the shot.

chet

[Yogi]

How important is power to you?  Most of the really smooth guns are shooting near 12fpe.  All things being equal(and they never are), .22 tends to be smoother than .177.  Short stroking, collapsing coils, transfer port work, stoning the trigger sears; are ways to smooth things out.  How much power do you want?

-Y

[dtdtdtdt]

Seems unreasonable that the recoil from any air rifle is so small that a pellet wouldn't fall off during firing.  Please provide a link to such a u-tube or other video.

I have used that technique with a coin on the scope top or bridge of a pistol to help a shooter develop a very smooth trigger pull and hold.  Really shows the impact of hold technique. 

[Harpoon1]

Seems unreasonable that the recoil from any air rifle is so small that a pellet wouldn't fall off during firing.  Please provide a link to such a u-tube or other video.

I have used that technique with a coin on the scope top or bridge of a pistol to help a shooter develop a very smooth trigger pull and hold.  Really shows the impact of hold technique.

Actually its not all that difficult to do, and with a reasonably tuned gun, very easy to manipulate the outcome. Personally, I didn't find it all that useful for determining how well a gun is tuned either. To each his own.

What I did was, level the gun on front and rear bags. If the pellet tipped over, I raised the barrel a little and repeated the test until I found the angle the was large enough to overcome the tipping moment of the pellet during recoil. Once you find that angle/sweet spot, its becomes boringly consistent and you can do it all day long.

I find tuning with the aid of a chronograph more reliable, productive and efficient. IMO 


Here's your link:

[dtdtdtdt]

Most of my air rifle experience has been with the free-recoiling / recoilless styles of the rws 54 and the fwb 300.  The normal movement of the mechanism is guaranteed to flip the pellet off!!!  Hadn't even thought to try that!!!

Thanks for the education.

Dave

[Harpoon1]

Most of my air rifle experience has been with the free-recoiling / recoilless styles of the rws 54 and the fwb 300.  The normal movement of the mechanism is guaranteed to flip the pellet off!!!  Hadn't even thought to try that!!!

Thanks for the education.

Dave

Dave,

I have zero time behind a 54 or 300, and never thought about the "free-recoil guns". I'd be curious what you find out, when/if you get around to trying it.

[nced]

Seems unreasonable that the recoil from any air rifle is so small that a pellet wouldn't fall off during firing.  Please provide a link to such a u-tube or other video.

I have used that technique with a coin on the scope top or bridge of a pistol to help a shooter develop a very smooth trigger pull and hold.  Really shows the impact of hold technique.

Actually its not all that difficult to do, and with a reasonably tuned gun, very easy to manipulate the outcome. Personally, I didn't find it all that useful for determining how well a gun is tuned either. To each his own.

What I did was, level the gun on front and rear bags. If the pellet tipped over, I raised the barrel a little and repeated the test until I found the angle the was large enough to overcome the tipping moment of the pellet during recoil. Once you find that angle/sweet spot, its becomes boringly consistent and you can do it all day long.

I find tuning with the aid of a chronograph more reliable, productive and efficient. IMO 


Here's your link:

Interesting vid of an "untuned" HW97!

I personally haven't had an untuned Beeman R9, Beeman R10, HW95, or HW77k that had so little audible twang as the HW97 in the vid before they were fitted with tight spring guides.

[nced]

i see videos where shooters put a pellet on top of the turret can on spring guns, fire the shot and the pellet is still there, i tried it on my stock HW97K in a 177 and the pellet does fall off, my gun is shooting the 8gr pellets at 880fps, i am going to tune my HW97K shortly, other than the machining a fitted spring guide and a tophat what else plays a part of keeping the pellet on the scope during the shot.

Hummm....perhaps keeping the power level to "sub 12fpe" like the guns I've seen in the Euro shooter test vids.

It's kinda interesting to me that it's important to buy a "springer rated scope" for US power level springers to resist being trashed by a springer! LOL....here are a couple pics of my .177 cal Beeman R9 and HW95 with stop pin holes deformed by recoil on guns that were never tuned to more than 14fpe (usually around 12.5 fpe).........

[bcsnave]

Would a Diana Bullseye ZR mount work for eliminating this?

[nced]

Would a Diana Bullseye ZR mount work for eliminating this?

Probably would, I'm guessing if you're referring to the deformed stop pin holes. Don't know about the "pellet on the scope cap" issue. Actually, I really don't see the "pellet on the scope cap" as a big deal, but then, less gun movement may help with shooter accuracy.

Personally I don't have a desire to buy/pump air, count shots, or being concerned with "dirt in the frammis" messing up a compressed air seal so a PCP isn't even a consideration, however if lack of gun motion was a priority I'd simply "suffer the slings and arrows" of PCP ownership! 

[Yogi]

Pellet on gun when fired.

When I was a young lad, many moons ago now, when I was a member of the NRA Junior Bullseye Club, shooting 50' .22 rim fires, it was a BIG deal to be able to do.  Not sure if it translates to spring powered airguns though....

-Y

[Smoketown]

i see videos where shooters put a pellet on top of the turret can on spring guns, fire the shot and the pellet is still there, i tried it on my stock HW97K in a 177 and the pellet does fall off, my gun is shooting the 8gr pellets at 880fps, i am going to tune my HW97K shortly, other than the machining a fitted spring guide and a tophat what else plays a part of keeping the pellet on the scope during the shot.

chet

A drop of Super Glue works rather well ...   

Cheers,
Smoketown

[nced]

i see videos where shooters put a pellet on top of the turret can on spring guns, fire the shot and the pellet is still there, i tried it on my stock HW97K in a 177 and the pellet does fall off, my gun is shooting the 8gr pellets at 880fps, i am going to tune my HW97K shortly, other than the machining a fitted spring guide and a tophat what else plays a part of keeping the pellet on the scope during the shot.

chet

A drop of Super Glue works rather well ...   

Cheers,
Smoketown

LOL....guess chewin' gum would do tha trick too!

[Yogi]

I guess if the pellet falls to one side, you know you are canting your rifle...

-Y

[^^artin]

Possibly it would work and we all just didn't tried by now.
But since the HW97 has no shock compensating system I also can't believe this.

Another way to fake the video would be to give the rifle just a slight push by hand so that the pellet just move a bit (like we see in the video)
and then synchronizing an audio file of a shooting sound over it.