Looking at buying an Europian Springer- what difference should I expect?

[Big Rick]

I really enjoy my VMX. The desire to get another .20 stems from the love of my Blue Streaks, past and present. It just always seemed like the perfect air rifle caliber, if there is such a thing. Plus I figured if I was dumping the money into an expensive (to me) gun that the added novelty added a degree of class (nostalgia) to the purchase.

[uglymike]

Thanks Steve, I was hoping you would chime in because you have helped me in the past. Can anyone tell me is the value there? I like my Hatsan 95 a lot. It is a smooth cocking gun and quiet with a decent trigger at around two bills. Am I going to feel like I spent my money well comparing say a R 9 to my QE 95?

You get an HW95 or R9 and you'll throw rocks at that Hatsan. You'll sell it or it'll just sit in the corner gathering dust after you experience a quality springer. Guaranteed. Just ask Spiral Groove. Are they worth twice the price...........far more!

[SteveP-52]

Thanks Steve, I was hoping you would chime in because you have helped me in the past. Can anyone tell me is the value there? I like my Hatsan 95 a lot. It is a smooth cocking gun and quiet with a decent trigger at around two bills. Am I going to feel like I spent my money well comparing say a R 9 to my QE 95?

You get an HW95 or R9 and you'll throw rocks at that Hatsan. You'll sell it or it'll just sit in the corner gathering dust after you experience a quality springer. Guaranteed. Just ask Spiral Groove. Are they worth twice the price...........far more!

I have both and I still shoot both my Hatsans and Webleys just as much. Given, they're well worth the price and then some. Every gun I have has a particular use whether it's targets, pests or just plinking and I enjoy going back to the rifles that take a little more to shoot accurately and the inexpensive ones for tinkering and tuning on rainy days or considering where I live, snow season...lol

[SteveUK]

Its a very long time since I had a Diana - but from what I've read they are now just trading on their past glory and are not very high quality anymore

I was interested in buying a new Diana P1000 PCP until I read owners reviews - took Diana many years to produce their first PCP and it is badly flawed

I have a sub 12ft lb HW95 in .177 - the long version with the barrel weight and it is nice now I got rid of the twang with a simple home tune - very accurate - I would go for .22 if I was buying one without the barrel weight, or if more power than 12ft lb

[Smaug2]

Well, I think you'll like the R9 in .20. (it's a nice even METRIC caliber too: 5 mm)

The only thing you did wrong was to buy it new. You should have posted a WTB for a used one, and you would have gotten one that is at least broken in, and maybe even a tuned one, for less than the cost of a new one.

Did it arrive yet?

[Big Rick]

It arrived today. I posted in the "what did you get today" thread. This gun is amazing. Super smooth, quiet, no spring buzz and zeroed at twenty yards right out of the box.

[TwiceHorn]

Its a very long time since I had a Diana - but from what I've read they are now just trading on their past glory and are not very high quality anymore

I was interested in buying a new Diana P1000 PCP until I read owners reviews - took Diana many years to produce their first PCP and it is badly flawed

I have a sub 12ft lb HW95 in .177 - the long version with the barrel weight and it is nice now I got rid of the twang with a simple home tune - very accurate - I would go for .22 if I was buying one without the barrel weight, or if more power than 12ft lb

I don't want to needlessly quibble, and I have no direct experience with "modern" Dianas.  But, I will say that a number of folks have posted recent reviews of Diana rifles, namely the standby 34, the pretty newish K98, and the also newish 56 TH and generally have pretty good things to say about them.

[Mikeflys]

I purchased a Diana 470TH last year, I love it! It truly is a work of art, plus one heck of a shooter. She is every bit a magnum springer, use both hands to cock it. Forget the gym membership, just go shooting! Once you get used to the recoil she is not overly hold sensitive. A little, not a lot. I would say worth every penny I spent.

[SteveUK]

I don't want to needlessly quibble, and I have no direct experience with "modern" Dianas.  But, I will say that a number of folks have posted recent reviews of Diana rifles, namely the standby 34, the pretty newish K98, and the also newish 56 TH and generally have pretty good things to say about them.

I don't think you can go wrong with one of the older used Diana rifles - just that I would not buy a new Diana as they are over priced - but then again I like Weihrauch and Air Arms